OT: Did the Bucs SB loss Break Patrick Mahomes?

[Guts]

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[SHOWTIME15]

So your argument is essentially Brady shouldn't get full marks for that comeback because he was a reason they had to comeback in the first place. Correct?

Sure, but they won and his positive plays had more impact than those picks.

When you are going to talk about someone being clutch, you have to take the good and the bad. In both SB 49 and 51, Brady made mistakes that put his team in a hole. The comebacks would not have been as great had he not made those mistakes in the first place.

 

[Guts]

When you are going to talk about someone being clutch, you have to take the good and the bad. In both SB 49 and 51, Brady made mistakes that put his team in a hole. The comebacks would not have been as great had he not made those mistakes in the first place.

This is just 49 51 and 53

 

[brdmaverick]

I see I'm jumping in VERY late to the convo here, but there is nothing to suggest Mahomes is damaged goods. Sure, he got off to a slow start but had a real strong finish (outside of the second half of Cincy).

Now here's an uncommon take.........yes, the Chiefs got destroyed against the Bucs and I enjoyed every minute of it, BUT that had the potential to be Mahomes finest hour. It was his receivers that let the team down, not him. Remember all those crazy scrambles followed by off balance superhuman throws? Watch them again, most actually made it to receivers for a very catchable ball that they just dropped.

If they came down with half of those we might be talking about the greatest Super Bowl performance of all time. Instead we are talking about a Bucs route (fortunately)

 

[Guts]

I see I'm jumping in VERY late to the convo here, but there is nothing to suggest Mahomes is damaged goods. Sure, he got off to a slow start but had a real strong finish (outside of the second half of Cincy).

Now here's an uncommon take.........yes, the Chiefs got destroyed against the Bucs and I enjoyed every minute of it, BUT that had the potential to be Mahomes finest hour. It was his receivers that let the team down, not him. Remember all those crazy scrambles followed by off balance superhuman throws? Watch them again, most actually made it to receivers for a very catchable ball that they just dropped.

If they came down with half of those we might be talking about the greatest Super Bowl performance of all time. Instead we are talking about a Bucs route (fortunately)

Mahomeboy scrambled into pressure though. Rewatch the All 22 he got out of the pocket too early and was impatient. He had the checkdowns there almost all game.

 

[venecol]

Do you not remember the two picks in the red zone Brady threw earlier in the game? Yeah, those additional 6-14 points they should have scored would have made things a bit easier for NE in the end. Oh, you don't remember anything bad Brady does - just the good.

I remember Brady coming back from a 10 pt deficit in the 4th qtr., the largest deficit comeback in SB history. I remember Brady setting a SB record for completions (37) and TDs (13). I remember Brady having 3 SB mvps tying w/ Montana. That's what the game is remembered by, not some early ints that had no bearing on the final victory.

I also remember the wild turn of emotions from dread to elation in a second. One of the best games in SB history.

Sorry you missed out on the great feeling of victory.


Timmy reacts after Butlers Interception.

 

[Bruins29]

What does Mahomes have to do with this thread?

And who is Mortimer Porksley?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This is just 49 51 and 53

 

[PatsWSB47]

When you are going to talk about someone being clutch, you have to take the good and the bad. In both SB 49 and 51, Brady made mistakes that put his team in a hole. The comebacks would not have been as great had he not made those mistakes in the first place.

That's what you just don't get. What separates Brady is he can and does come back from mistakes more than anyone else and he often does it in the biggest games where it's now or never. For most everyone else its never. Jeezus when Brady threw the 3 3rd and 10s against the Cheifs in the playoffs to win the game your retort was well he was 3 for 7 on that drive, lol. What wrong with you?

 

[venecol]

And who is Mortimer Porksley?

 

[Dingleberry]

You dimwits aren't mentioning the number of playoff losses. Everyone loves to say that Brady's playoff record is 35-12, and Joe's is 16-7. That is such a simplistic view. Step up to the learning tree while I educate you.

Brady has lost 12 playoff games. Montana has only lost 7. That alone proves it. 5 more playoff losses!

Sure, Brady has 35 wins to Joe's 16, but it's really not about winning. It's about not losing. Also, of those 7 losses, Joe was playing injured in 4 of them. There was a full moon during 2 of the losses. And he had a really negative horoscope reading for 1 of the losses. So realistically, Montana is not to blame for any of those losses. Had those unforseen circumstances not occurred, he would have won 7 more SB's because he didn't ever lose in the SB.

Since the horoscope excuse is admittedly iffy, I will pin that loss on Joe. So his adjusted playoff record is 16 - 1.

Brady was decidedly un-clutch in the 12 losses. They are all on him. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. And really Belichick and Brady should share credit for the wins. To show I am being fair, I will give Brady one more than Belichick. Brady is responsible for 18 of the 35 wins. So, Brady's adjusted playoff record is 18 - 12.

16-1 or 18-12? Pretty obvious who the goat is.

Here is another stat that I will debunk. Some like to say that Montana's testicles shriveled in away playoff games and needed a home game to be successful. Hogwash, I say. That is malarkey!

Sure, Joe was only 4-5 in road playoff games while Brady was 11-4. You dimwits need to learn how to dissect the numbers with unbiased acumen only I possess. Stay with me, dummies.

We have already established that Brady is only responsible for half the wins because of Belichick. Again, we have an odd number of wins. And again, I prove my unbiased nature by granting Brady the extra win. So Brady's adjusted road record is 6-4 not the phony 11-4 you people like to claim.

We have also established that only one of Joe's supposed playoff losses is legitimate. And yes, the bad horoscope game was a road game. So Joe's adjusted playoff record is 4-1 rather than 4-5. The argument is over. Give me 4-1 over 6-4 any day.

This thread is no longer 1 against the masses. I am here to help provide the data proving Joe Montana remains the GOAT.

 

[venecol]

And who is Mortimer Porksley?

Here's the origin of Porksley (credit to @Kontradiction ).

Man in the Arena Discussion

It’s cliche as hell at this point but that opening drive by the Giants which killed like 12 minutes of clock was when you knew this was not going to go well.

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[SHOWTIME15]

Here's the origin of Porksley (credit to @Kontradiction ).

Man in the Arena Discussion

It’s cliche as hell at this point but that opening drive by the Giants which killed like 12 minutes of clock was when you knew this was not going to go well.

www.patsfans.com

Is there a reason you changed your avatar to a picture of a couple 18 year old women? Or are you just a creepy middle aged man?

 

[venecol]

Porksley on a date.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Porksley on a date.

Thanks, creepy old man

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You dimwits aren't mentioning the number of playoff losses. Everyone loves to say that Brady's playoff record is 35-12, and Joe's is 16-7. That is such a simplistic view. Step up to the learning tree while I educate you.

Brady has lost 12 playoff games. Montana has only lost 7. That alone proves it. 5 more playoff losses!

Sure, Brady has 35 wins to Joe's 16, but it's really not about winning. It's about not losing. Also, of those 7 losses, Joe was playing injured in 4 of them. There was a full moon during 2 of the losses. And he had a really negative horoscope reading for 1 of the losses. So realistically, Montana is not to blame for any of those losses. Had those unforseen circumstances not occurred, he would have won 7 more SB's because he didn't ever lose in the SB.

Since the horoscope excuse is admittedly iffy, I will pin that loss on Joe. So his adjusted playoff record is 16 - 1.

Brady was decidedly un-clutch in the 12 losses. They are all on him. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. And really Belichick and Brady should share credit for the wins. To show I am being fair, I will give Brady one more than Belichick. Brady is responsible for 18 of the 35 wins. So, Brady's adjusted playoff record is 18 - 12.

16-1 or 18-12? Pretty obvious who the goat is.

Here is another stat that I will debunk. Some like to say that Montana's testicles shriveled in away playoff games and needed a home game to be successful. Hogwash, I say. That is malarkey!

Sure, Joe was only 4-5 in road playoff games while Brady was 11-4. You dimwits need to learn how to dissect the numbers with unbiased acumen only I possess. Stay with me, dummies.

We have already established that Brady is only responsible for half the wins because of Belichick. Again, we have an odd number of wins. And again, I prove my unbiased nature by granting Brady the extra win. So Brady's adjusted road record is 6-4 not the phony 11-4 you people like to claim.

We have also established that only one of Joe's supposed playoff losses is legitimate. And yes, the bad horoscope game was a road game. So Joe's adjusted playoff record is 4-1 rather than 4-5. The argument is over. Give me 4-1 over 6-4 any day.

This thread is no longer 1 against the masses. I am here to help provide the data proving Joe Montana remains the GOAT.

If you are going to troll, at least get your stats right. Montana is 1-3 on the road in the playoffs, while Brady is 3-4 as a Patriot (not including the 2001 AFCCG in which he got injured early on). But I'm sure you got your "facts" off statsmuse, which was counting the super bowls, which technically aren't road games.

 

[amfootball]

If you are going to troll, at least get your stats right. Montana is 1-3 on the road in the playoffs, while Brady is 3-4 as a Patriot (not including the 2001 AFCCG in which he got injured early on). But I'm sure you got your "facts" off statsmuse, which was counting the super bowls, which technically aren't road games.

The 2001 game counts as he started the game. He is 4-4.

I can't believe Montana was 1-3. It is amazing how over time the greats low lights are forgotten. I look forward to that with Brady as every young QB is compared to his mammoth resume.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The 2001 game counts as he started the game. He is 4-4.

I can't believe Montana was 1-3. It is amazing how over time the greats low lights are forgotten. I look forward to that with Brady as every young QB is compared to his mammoth resume.

Sorry, Brady had 1 scoring drive in the 2001 AFCCG, while Bledsoe had 2. Beyond that, it was mostly special teams. So Brady is 3-4 as Patriot on the road in the playoffs.

 

[amfootball]

Sorry, Brady had 1 scoring drive in the 2001 AFCCG, while Bledsoe had 2. Beyond that, it was mostly special teams. So Brady is 3-4 as Patriot on the road in the playoffs.

Does not matter your attempt to slice out the credit pie. He started the game, it is a win. That is how it works in the NFL.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Does not matter your attempt to slice out the credit pie. He started the game, it is a win. That is how it works in the NFL.

Even if you count that game, you do realize Brady was a mediocre 3-4 on the road right up until 2018 AFCCG on the road, don't you?