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I know he's not popular here but 26/9 - 65% isn't that bad all things considering. He was due for natural regression after the season he had the year before but his OL took a decent step back and ge was throwing to a bottom 5-10 WR corp (still is)

I can't see them taking a QB that early. Mills has been good and actually on par with Mac in a lot of ways. They're trading out or taking KT.

i liked mills coming out.......in the long run, it's going to be very interesting to see where he shakes out vs the rest of his draft class
 
will be interesting to see if the texans saw enough of mills this year to make a go with him
Depends on what they think of this year's crop, and if they can get a decent haul for Watson.
 
I know he's not popular here but 26/9 - 65% isn't that bad all things considering. He was due for natural regression after the season he had the year before but his OL took a decent step back and ge was throwing to a bottom 5-10 WR corp (still is)

I can't see them taking a QB that early. Mills has been good and actually on par with Mac in a lot of ways. They're trading out or taking KT.
We'll see. He's an incredible talent. Agree on the OL and WRs.
 

Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Murray, Lamar and then Mac.

Might be true that Allen is "erratic" a bit but he still has to be #1 here, Burrow is not better than him right now.

Mac is about where he should be on this list.
Herbert and Murray ain't that good. Murray in particular is being ludicrously overrated.
 
It's highly unlikely a broken QB turns it around. And you shouldn't feel bad for him as he knew what he was getting into before he declared for the draft. If you want to be the #1 pick, this is what you sign up for.
I’m not sure what you would want him to do then? The team with the top pick is usually going to suck, and you can’t tell a guy not to excel.
 
I full expect Mac to pass Lamar next year.

Burrow, Hebert, Allen are Top 10 QBs.

Murray is very, very good but I would not call him an elite passer.
I feel like Mac's had flashes of the good, no real flashes of great, flashes of "oy," and a lot of steady QBing, steady improvement, not losing the game and letting the D and the running game win it. And that's exactly what's expected of him in NE right now. I'm with you - we see mo better next year. I don't know the ceiling. I do know that "OMG where did THIS guy come from?!?!?!" isn't the plan.

Shades of "my husband cannot throw the ball and catch the ball". One guy can take a decent team very far, but a poor team can kill a guy.
Yeah but Nick Foles can.

OW
 
Hebert on the Chargers, Allen on the Bills, Burrow on the Bengals. Interesting to look at the top3 young guys and also their HC to see who might have some stability and long term career success.

Zac Taylor isn't a good HC. Guy got lucky with a stud in Burrow saving his career. Burrow will put up monster stats but Taylor might not last long. He's a glorified qb coach who jumped a couple steps into HC.

McDermott is a very good coach, this is not good for New England. That combo of an elite DC-background coach in McDermott plus Daboll on offense makes this a long term formidable issue for the Pats.

Brandon Staley might actually be good too. Hard to tell because he lucked into defensive MVPs on the Rams defense, and now has Hebert. Maybe he's one of those people who just falls into great situations. Also says a lot that young McVay guys get hired so fast after a fraction of comparable experience compared to other people.
 
I feel like Mac's had flashes of the good, no real flashes of great, flashes of "oy," and a lot of steady QBing, steady improvement, not losing the game and letting the D and the running game win it. And that's exactly what's expected of him in NE right now. I'm with you - we see mo better next year. I don't know the ceiling. I do know that "OMG where did THIS guy come from?!?!?!" isn't the plan.
I guess it depends on what you consider "flashes of great." I'd say that the first half of the Browns game qualifies as "great," especially his TDs to Bourne and Henry.
 
It's highly unlikely a broken QB turns it around. And you shouldn't feel bad for him as he knew what he was getting into before he declared for the draft. If you want to be the #1 pick, this is what you sign up for.

No one chooses to be the #1pick, the teams dictate selection. And I wouldn’t give up on Lawrence because he had the misfortune of having to pla under Urban Meyer. Hopefully for him they get a good HC and OC who can put him in better circumstances. He’s still a very talented player with a ton of upside if he’s put in a good situation.
 
I guess it depends on what you consider "flashes of great." I'd say that the first half of the Browns game qualifies as "great," especially his TDs to Bourne and Henry.
He's had a lot of moments when his play made it clear he belonged as an NFL QB, and very few that called that into question. But having shown that, his better pieces (like the 1st half of the Browns game) showed good play, not great play. If you ask how many QBs can make that throw in traffic to Bourne, you really have to say the top half of the QBs in the league... sometimes, at least
 
Trevor Lawrence should sit and demand a trade if Baalke brings in Bill ‘O’Brien. No player should be forced into a situation where their career is destroyed by a terrible coach. Lawrence agent should inform the Jags that he won’t play for them if they go down that road. It’s no different than Belichick refusing to coach under Parcells as his GM.
 
He's had a lot of moments when his play made it clear he belonged as an NFL QB, and very few that called that into question. But having shown that, his better pieces (like the 1st half of the Browns game) showed good play, not great play. If you ask how many QBs can make that throw in traffic to Bourne, you really have to say the top half of the QBs in the league... sometimes, at least
Then what do you define as "great play"?
 
Then what do you define as "great play"?

It's all about the eye test!

. . . not commanding the offense, setting protections, audibling into good plays, taking care of the ball, keeping the offense on schedule, making correct reads, and accurately delivering strikes on time. Mac is exceptional at all those things for a rookie. He's put up essentially a top-10 rookie QB season by almost every metric. And he still has areas in which he can improve. I'd say that more than qualifies for showing flashes of greatness, but apparently I lack the requisite, all-important ocular analysis.
 
Then what do you define as "great play"?
More of a "holy crap same species as me my ass" play. Then about 20 others, to W.Jumper's point. I was about to get mad about the idea of saying "what do you mean not great, look at this 1 throw." I guess you could call that a "flash of great play" (although that was a good but not holy crap throw) but I'd look for more of a holy crap moment to say "flashes of greatness." I'd say potential for, as in, possibility by no means disproven. Also, I said I don't know how high the ceiling is. In that sense, sort of like Roethlisberger (sp.) when he came out. Yes, he's got NFL game, no, there's no real "holy crap" play, but he's got what it takes to take you as far as the rest of the team can go with him. The guy who can take ANY bunch into the playoffs, and most teams deep in the playoffs, for years, we've seen a total of once. It's the privilege of my fan lifetime that he played on my team during my lifetime... but nobody can expect THAT bolt to hit twice. I am just glad we'll be in it if the rest of the team bears up. We won't be in the QB wilderness. Nailed it in one go... ha ha, JEST.

But to me, no, I don't see giddy heights YET, although I WANT to, and during some games I feel like saying it when he's just having a decent game.

Life's easier on QBs now than in Brady's first year, but here's Jones after 16 games

Completion % - 67.6 (about the same as all the top 1/2 of QBs)
Yards - 3540 (13th in the league)
TDs - 21
INT - 12
Yards/Attempt - 7.2 (15th)

Here are the stats, sort em as you want

Here are the stats of one Thomas Edward Brady from the 2001 regular season (in 15 games to be fair)
Completion % - 63.9%
Yards - 2,8434
TDs - 18
INT - 12
Yards/Attempt - 6.9%

Except we know how Brady grew from that middling beginning. I think he got the appropriate guidance, despite what turned out to be great talent and an incomparable work ethic/will to win: trust your teammates. Play within yourself. Don't try to do it all. He made the absolute best of those years when he learned to be the field general, not the stat whore.

My point in dragging out these stats is to say, he's not showing "OMG" stat potential. I haven't seen anything that says I'll ever go "OMG I freakin love Mac Jones did you see what Mac Jones did that game holy crap," at least not in that individual virtuosity way. I might say "OMG I freakin love Mac Jones, he puts guys in a position to do what they do best, that's what we really need"

But I love that he's in the top 1/2 at his position as a rookie. Barring injury, I don't see him sinking out of that area, and you have to figure he'll keep improving.
 
And that said, okay in the Cleveland game, because I'm a homer, I could go "OMG did you see what Mac Jones did that game you just wait..."
 
So what all those QB's have in common, they have an elite playmaker. Diggs, K Allen, Chase. Pats have a number of good weapons but none are an elite playmaker.
 
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