Papi and other Sox on HOF ballot

[sb1]

If Papi isn't a first ballot HOFer that's a travesty.

Schill probably won't get in and that sucks.

 

[captain stone]

I'm not a fan of voting for DH-only players... But in this case I'll make an exception.

So clutch... Power + Average... Besides, he played flawless 1B during his WS appearances, including one notable assist:

Rk	Year	Series	Date	Tm		Opp	Rslt	Inngs	BF	Inn	PO	A	E	Ch	DP
1	2004	WS g3	Oct 26	BOS	@	STL	W,4-1	GS	21	6.0	6	1	0	7	1
2	2004	WS g4	Oct 27	BOS	@	STL	W,3-0	GS	21	6.0	8	0	0	8	0
2007 Postseason	Tm		Opp	Rslt	Inngs	BF	Inn	PO	A	E	Ch	DP
3	2007	WS g3	Oct 27	BOS	@	COL	W,10-5	GS	20	5.0	2	0	0	2	0
4	2007	WS g4	Oct 28	BOS	@	COL	W,4-3	GS	29	7.0	5	0	0	5	0
2013 Postseason	Tm		Opp	Rslt	Inngs	BF	Inn	PO	A	E	Ch	DP
5	2013	WS g3	Oct 26	BOS	@	STL	L,4-5	CG	43	8.2	6	0	0	6	0
6	2013	WS g4	Oct 27	BOS	@	STL	W,4-2	GS	30	7.0	8	0	0	8	0
7	2013	WS g5	Oct 28	BOS	@	STL	W,3-1	GS	26	7.2	9	0	0	9	1

 

[Vatahala]

How much will the 2003 steroid list hurt Ortiz's chances? What happened to the Sox off-season thread?

 

[Joker]

2003 steroid list was proof of ZERO....let all the steroid era players in for chrissakes...Bonds, Clemens, Arod ...even Sosa...but bar that rotten little twat hypocrite Godboy Petitte...that POS should be struck from MLB history.

 

[captain insano]

What happened to the Sox off-season thread?

nothing. its still there

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Schilling should be in. Even if he said tomorrow that he loves Hitler, what does that have to do with his baseball career? Are we not capable of separating in our own minds the difference between athletic accomplishments and off-field personalities? We don’t need the Hall of Fame committee to do that for us.

I would vote for Bonds and Clemens provided they come 100% clean about when they used steroids. I wouldn’t vote in A-Rod because he was caught twice, spanning over a decade, and I don’t know if we ever saw him play without being juiced up. Possibly the same argument for Sosa. Clemens and Bonds, on the other hand, were already premier players. For a borderline player like Pettite, the steroids tip the scales to No. For Manny, I’d lean towards No. I feel like he got a warning shot after his first supension.

 

[sb1]

Pettitte is not getting in anytime soon if at all. I think it was HGH for him not steroids but that doesn’t help his case either. Zero Cy Young’s, a lifetime 3.86 ERA which isn’t that great for a guy who is a HOF pitcher.

A-Rod admitted he was a cheat, he lied about it and he was suspended for a year. He’s not getting in anytime soon either if at all.

For someone like Bonds if you’re going to induct him then bring them all in with the asterisk and explanation on their plaques.
It’s tough cause some of these guys were probably using before testing but we don’t know for sure.

 

[sb1]

Schilling should be in. Even if he said tomorrow that he loves Hitler, what does that have to do with his baseball career? Are we not capable of separating in our own minds the difference between athletic accomplishments and off-field personalities? We don’t need the Hall of Fame committee to do that for us.

He should but I don’t think he’s getting in and that sucks. His Facebook rant against the HOF voters and asking to be removed from the ballot won’t help his case

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Pettitte is not getting in anytime soon if at all. I think it was HGH for him not steroids but but that doesn’t help his case either. Zero Cy Young’s, a lifetime 3.86 ERA which isn’t that great for a guy who is a HOF pitcher.

A-Rod admitted he was a cheat, he lied about it and he was suspended for a year. He’s not getting in anytime soon either if at all.

For someone like Bonds if you’re going to induct him then bring them all in with the asterisk and explanation on their plaques.
It’s tough cause some of these guys were probably using before testing but we don’t know for sure.

I'd like to strike the stats from any season where he used steroids, which is why his honest admission about using would make me feel better about his candidacy. They could easily form some sort of committee with the power to strike stats from the official record books should they have an overwhelming majority of votes to do so. What bothers me most about Bonds is that the home run records should remain at 755 and 61. And it isn't just him...it's all the guys whose stats got juiced up. Now you have records that were unfairly achieved and can't even be approached. I'd put Bonds in the Hall of Fame only after I restored the correct historical records. It's no different from stripping an olympic record from someone who was doping.

 

[Patsfan1958]

Pettitte is not getting in anytime soon if at all. I think it was HGH for him not steroids but but that doesn’t help his case either. Zero Cy Young’s, a lifetime 3.86 ERA which isn’t that great for a guy who is a HOF pitcher.

Pettite's father was supplying him with the HGH

Pettitte admits to additional use of HGH in 2004

 

[Pape]

Can see Papi getting in ... would love to see it... But first ballot for a dh? Highly doubtful it happens

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Can see Papi getting in ... would love to see it... But first ballot for a dh? Highly doubtful it happens

Battling DH-only and positive HGH test. In his favor, he’s a Hall of Famer by regular season alone and has one of the best postseason resumes of any player in history.

 

[Tony2046]

Schilling should be in. Even if he said tomorrow that he loves Hitler, what does that have to do with his baseball career? Are we not capable of separating in our own minds the difference between athletic accomplishments and off-field personalities? We don’t need the Hall of Fame committee to do that for us.

I would vote for Bonds and Clemens provided they come 100% clean about when they used steroids. I wouldn’t vote in A-Rod because he was caught twice, spanning over a decade, and I don’t know if we ever saw him play without being juiced up. Possibly the same argument for Sosa. Clemens and Bonds, on the other hand, were already premier players. For a borderline player like Pettite, the steroids tip the scales to No. For Manny, I’d lean towards No. I feel like he got a warning shot after his first supension.

I would never vote for Clemens because biologically I'm not allowed.

My brother and I went to visit my Grandmother in the hospital during her birthday. She was, as usual, in good spirits. She had the Red Sox game on and was chatting about the season. All of a sudden Clemen's face popped up on the TV. She says, "Clemens! I'll bet he's a wife beatah". Hahaha. She passed the next day. I love that moment.