JC Jackson proves one thing?

[Huckleberry1]

Jackson is a good player, but as someone else mentioned he’s not a Gilmore, Revis, or Law. He’s worth a good contract, around 22 per season, but he’s not a 18 million a season CB, and you don’t chase players and I repay to keep him, if you do then you end up over the cap, or with nothing to spend, and can’t build a championship contender in a yearly basis. He wants top money and in all likelihood they will let him walk when a team offers him 80 million. It won’t be the end of the world and they will keep building. I haven’t looked at next years free agents, but if a top CB is available we could see something similar to the Butler/Gilmore scenario where they paid the better player and let Tennessee overpay Butler.

 

[Biffins]

Troll

No. I am not trolling. We can't expect discounts based on players desire to win a championship anymore. Noone considers Patriots a top contender. Give me a break. How about you look at the FACTS before calling me a troll. You're the troll.

Here are the odds to win this year's Championship. Pats are not even in the top half. Doesn't sound like a place you go to for "desire to win a Championship". Pats have to pay same as any other middle of the pack team. Did I make this up or are you a homer?

And odds for 2023 season are the same. Noone except Pats homer fans care about the Brady era or BB's two decade record here, throughout which Pats started almost every season as odds-on favourite to win the Superbowl. At that point you could argue players WERE taking discounts to come here. Why would they now?!?! And betting markets are also saying they shouldn't.

Why don't you put some money on Pats to win it all if you have such conviction that we have such an outstanding chance to win that players should be taking discounts to come here.

Super Bowl Odds 2022​

Odds courtesy of BetMGM. Correct at the time of publishing and subject to change.

Team	Odds
Buffalo Bills	+500
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+600
LA Rams	+650
Green Bay Packers	+800
Arizona Cardinals	+1000
Dallas Cowboys	+1000
Kansas City Chiefs	+1100
Baltimore Ravens	+1200
Tennessee Titans	+2000
LA Chargers	+2500
Cleveland Browns	+3500
New Orleans Saints	+3500
Cincinatti Bengals	+4000
Las Vegas Raiders	+5000
San Francisco 49ers	+6600
Pittsburgh Steelers	+6600
Indianapolis Colts	+8000
New England Patriots	+8000
Minnesota Vikings	+10000
Carolina Panthers	+15000
Denver Broncos	+15000
Seattle Seahawks	+15000
Philadelphia Eagles	+20000
Chicago Bears	+50000
Atlanta Falcons	+50000
Washington Football Team	+50000
New York Giants	+75000
Miami Dolphins	+250000
Jacksonville Jaguars	+500000
New York Jets	+500000
Detroit Lions	+1000000
Houston Texans	+1000000

 

[Huckleberry1]

It has nothing to do with betting on this season, or any other. You are a troll because you only come here to talk Sh.t and try to aggravate people. You aren’t interested in discussing the Patriots,you are into trying to push buttons.You’re a troll.

 

[Biffins]

It has nothing to do with betting on this season, or any other. You are a troll because you only come here to talk Sh.t and try to aggravate people. You aren’t interested in discussing the Patriots,you are into trying to push buttons.You’re a troll.

And you're a troll because you have no point to make except to berate me. Congrats!

 

[n1997y]

…

And odds for 2023 season are the same. Noone except Pats homer fans care about the Brady era or BB's two decade record here, throughout which Pats started almost every season as odds-on favourite to win the Superbowl. At that point you could argue players WERE taking discounts to come here. Why would they now?!?! And betting markets are also saying they shouldn't.

Why don't you put some money on Pats to win it all if you have such conviction that we have such an outstanding chance to win that players should be taking discounts to come here.

Super Bowl Odds 2022​

Odds courtesy of BetMGM. Correct at the time of publishing and subject to change.

Team	Odds
Buffalo Bills	+500
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+600
LA Rams	+650
Green Bay Packers	+800
Arizona Cardinals	+1000
Dallas Cowboys	+1000
Kansas City Chiefs	+1100
Baltimore Ravens	+1200
Tennessee Titans	+2000
LA Chargers	+2500
Cleveland Browns	+3500
New Orleans Saints	+3500
Cincinatti Bengals	+4000
Las Vegas Raiders	+5000
San Francisco 49ers	+6600
Pittsburgh Steelers	+6600
Indianapolis Colts	+8000
New England Patriots	+8000
Minnesota Vikings	+10000
Carolina Panthers	+15000
Denver Broncos	+15000
Seattle Seahawks	+15000
Philadelphia Eagles	+20000
Chicago Bears	+50000
Atlanta Falcons	+50000
Washington Football Team	+50000
New York Giants	+75000
Miami Dolphins	+250000
Jacksonville Jaguars	+500000
New York Jets	+500000
Detroit Lions	+1000000
Houston Texans	+1000000

Odds for 2023 are total fiction at this time. It’s comments like that that get you labeled as a troll.

 

[Biffins]

Odds for 2023 are total fiction at this time. It’s comments like that that get you labeled as a troll.

Below were the odds for this season published on Feb 5th 2021. Patriots were 20th ranked. I wouldn't expect next season to be dramatically different. Likely middle of the pack.

TEAM	ODDS
Kansas City Chiefs	+550
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+900
Green Bay Packers	+900
Baltimore Ravens	+1200
Buffalo Bills	+1200
Los Angeles Rams	+1300
San Francisco 49ers	+1400
New Orleans Saints	+1800
Seattle Seahawks	+2000
Cleveland Browns	+2000
Indianapolis Colts	+2500
Tennessee Titans	+2800
Miami Dolphins	+2800
Pittsburgh Steelers	+2800
Dallas Cowboys	+3000
Los Angeles Chargers	+3000
Arizona Cardinals	+4000
Minnesota Vikings	+4000
Las Vegas Raiders	+4000
New England Patriots	+5000
Chicago Bears	+5000
Philadelphia Eagles	+5000
Carolina Panthers	+6000
Washington Football Team	+6000
Atlanta Falcons	+6000
Denver Broncos	+6000
Jacksonville Jaguars	+7500
New York Giants	+7500
Cincinnati Bengals	+8000
Detroit Lions	+10000
New York Jets	+10000
Houston Texans	+10000

 

[stinkypete]

Here is your free agent CB market for 2022.

2024 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Tracking the status and signings of all 2024 NFL free agents.

www.spotrac.com

Anyone see an improvement here not named Gilmore? Jackson has proven himself. Pay the beast.

 

[n1997y]

Below were the odds for this season published on Feb 5th 2021. Patriots were 20th ranked. I wouldn't expect next season to be dramatically different. Likely middle of the pack.

TEAM	ODDS
Kansas City Chiefs	+550
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+900
Green Bay Packers	+900
Baltimore Ravens	+1200
Buffalo Bills	+1200
Los Angeles Rams	+1300
San Francisco 49ers	+1400
New Orleans Saints	+1800
Seattle Seahawks	+2000
Cleveland Browns	+2000
Indianapolis Colts	+2500
Tennessee Titans	+2800
Miami Dolphins	+2800
Pittsburgh Steelers	+2800
Dallas Cowboys	+3000
Los Angeles Chargers	+3000
Arizona Cardinals	+4000
Minnesota Vikings	+4000
Las Vegas Raiders	+4000
New England Patriots	+5000
Chicago Bears	+5000
Philadelphia Eagles	+5000
Carolina Panthers	+6000
Washington Football Team	+6000
Atlanta Falcons	+6000
Denver Broncos	+6000
Jacksonville Jaguars	+7500
New York Giants	+7500
Cincinnati Bengals	+8000
Detroit Lions	+10000
New York Jets	+10000
Houston Texans	+10000

Like I said, 2023 is just whatever **** you made up. If the Pats make the playoffs and maybe even win a round that would change the outlook a lot. As will any FA pickups. And the retirements and pickups for all the league. It’s way too early to be making claims about 2023 prospects. By doing it anyway it seems you’re trolling.

 

[RIpats88]

But If JC Jackson plays like a #1 corner why not pay him? This idea from fans that we shouldn't pay anyone needs to go away. Being cheap with players isn't a virtue and make us smarter.

Only reason we got away with that before was Brady.

We have a window to utilize right now with Mac Jones on a rookie salary. This is the time you pay a guy like JC Jackson

 

[RobertWeathers]

But If JC Jackson plays like a #1 corner why not pay him? This idea from fans that we shouldn't pay anyone needs to go away. Being cheap with players isn't a virtue and make us smarter.

Only reason we got away with that before was Brady.

We have a window to utilize right now with Mac Jones on a rookie salary. This is the time you pay a guy like JC Jackson

I don't think anyone disagrees with you.

The question is around a) JC actually being a shutdown CB deserving of $60m in guarantees and consuming > $16m in cap hit on average per year.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't think anyone disagrees with you.

The question is around a) JC actually being a shutdown CB deserving of $60m in guarantees and consuming > $16m in cap hit on average per year.

If we can get another CB to take his spot, sure. But what is our option. Go with Jaylen Mills as our #1?

And waste a year we have Mac Jones on a rookie contract?

 

[RobertWeathers]

If we can get another CB to take his spot, sure. But what is our option.

Sign some vets. Draft a sticky, boundary CB high in the draft. The team has another 9 months to figure out the 2022 CB depth chart.

Go with Jaylen Mills as our #1?

I don't think anyone wants or is suggesting that. Nor do I think BB does/is.

And waste a year we have Mac Jones on a rookie contract?

What do you mean by wasting a year? Pats will have ~$40m to spend next year and will have a number of positions which need filling. CB no doubt will be a high priority.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I haven't looked but are there any good CB coming up for free agency? If not you have to pay him, don't want to go back to those years before Gilmore where we got toasted on a regular basis.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I haven't looked but are there any good CB coming up for free agency? If not you have to pay him, don't want to go back to those years before Gilmore where we got toasted on a regular basis.

Here is one list.

1) Stephon Gilmore, CB, New England Patriots
2) Tyrann Mathieu, S, Kansas City Chiefs
3) Darious Williams, CB, Los Angeles Rams
4) Jessie Bates III, S, Cincinnati Bengals
5) J.C. Jackson, CB, New England Patriots
6) Donte Jackson, CB, Carolina Panthers
7) Marcus Maye, S, New York Jets
8) Marcus Williams, S, New Orleans Saints
9) Casey Hayward, CB, Las Vegas Raiders
10) Daniel Sorensen, S, Kansas City Chiefs

 

[thecore762]

Today it showed how important JC is to this team! He came up with some big plays!

 

[masterbouncer]

just pay the man

 

[DropKickFlutie]

But If JC Jackson plays like a #1 corner why not pay him? This idea from fans that we shouldn't pay anyone needs to go away. Being cheap with players isn't a virtue and make us smarter.

Only reason we got away with that before was Brady.

We have a window to utilize right now with Mac Jones on a rookie salary. This is the time you pay a guy like JC Jackson

Agree. Pay the man. Don't want the mediocre staff getting arrogant and think they can patch a crappy secondary next year.

 

[RIpats88]

Here is one list.

1) Stephon Gilmore, CB, New England Patriots
2) Tyrann Mathieu, S, Kansas City Chiefs
3) Darious Williams, CB, Los Angeles Rams
4) Jessie Bates III, S, Cincinnati Bengals
5) J.C. Jackson, CB, New England Patriots
6) Donte Jackson, CB, Carolina Panthers
7) Marcus Maye, S, New York Jets
8) Marcus Williams, S, New Orleans Saints
9) Casey Hayward, CB, Las Vegas Raiders
10) Daniel Sorensen, S, Kansas City Chiefs

Don't see anyone better than just paying JC jackson