What is BB's biggest mistake as head coach/GM of Patriots?

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I didnt ask for your resume. You are a board troll. If I had not seen about 500 like you in the past, it might have worked. As I said you act is not even new.

Terrible troll at that.

He should be banned.

 

[gobesmug]

Bill has done a lot of great things and makes few mistakes.

On the Welker move, they gave the Fins the extra pick to turn the tender offer into a trade.

I like the way Bill had a how-to-do-a-longer-half-time practice during SB week.

Apparently, his decision to defer the ball on most opening kickoffs must be the right one. Everyone does it now.

One of Bill's most positive traits is his attention to detail. He puts players on his scout team that look like their opponents that week. I'm not sure if that was his idea but it sounds like him.

The intentional safety in Denver in 2003.

The practices that led to the Butler pick in 2014.

Absolutely, I don't think you can find a single poster here that would claim Bill makes more mistakes than great decisions.

His decision to bench Butler the entire game while the secondary was getting shredded was definitely his worse decision.

My second choice for terrible decision was not kicking the FG at the end of the first half against the Giants in the 07 Superbowl.

He didn't trust a first year Kicker which is odd considering how it contrasts his best coaching decision IMO.

As a HC, trusting his first year starting QB in the biggest game of the year with 1:00 left of the clock, to try and get into FG range.

 

[sb1]

I didn't have as much of a problem with 4th and 2 as some people do. I think Faulk got there but even if he didn't it was understandable. Maybe a different playcall other than that one would have caught the Colts by surprise.

I didn't think going for it on 4th and 13 instead of a FG in the Super Bowl was a wise decision

Those 4th down attempts in the AFCCG in Denver. If we kicked the FGs instead we get to beat Cam in the Super Bowl.

The two Brady philly specials were Josh's call but if they were Bill's idea then they belong on any "worst" list. Brady is the GOAT you don't need to run goofy gimmick plays that involve a 40 year old QB catching passes

Chung fake punt in that Jets playoff game

The Eagles dropkick was dumb

"New England wins the toss and they elect to kick..."

 

[condon84]

I have an issue with your Jackson take.

He is a remarkable and UNIQUE talent, BUT if we had drafted him it would have required Bill to do what Baltimore did, design a completely different offense to fit those talents. That doesn't mean just X's and O's. that means getting a different set of players that are needed to complement that talent. A guy like James White wouldn't fit. Big FB's and TE's who can play in the backfield. In other words, an entire offensive rebuild and throw away an offense you have been building for 20 years.

Baltimore was desperate enough to do all that. Their offensive history was one of despair and futility anyway. They had nothing to lose. And to their credit they have built and offense that with a very good defense makes them a very competitive team. One I may add that hasn't won a playoff game yet with Jackson as the QB.

No, .on Jackson wasn't a bad decision. He simply wasn't a fit HERE. Like Mac Jones, he was lucky enough to get to a team where he WAS a good fit.

And as for Brady, this was NEVER about him being pushed out. This was ALL about him getting to a team that had the talent to contend for a championship. That wasn't going to happen here in 2020. Bill knew it as well as Tom. Tom was free to go and he made a SOUND business decision. Simple as that. At 42 he did not have the time to go through a rebuild, even if it was only for a year or 2

Remember he put his house up for sale in 2019, so this wasn't a sudden decision on his part. He saw what was coming and didn't want to be the one to deal with it. So all this drama that being put on this next game is just that media driven drama that we are all getting caught up with. Tom left and it was never about his relationship with Bill, and all about simple common sense. Because while everyone thinks the winning was "all about Tom", Brady knows that its all about the overall talent of the TEAM, and he went to a team that had the better talent, and then HE made them better.

We will never know, but I don't agree with your assumption that Belichick couldn't maximize a talent like Lamar.

 

[archstanton543]

As a HC, trusting his first year starting QB in the biggest game of the year with 1:00 left of the clock, to try and get into FG range.

What game are you talking about? The 2001 Super Bowl? If so, that happened in Brady's second year. He spent a year on the bench before Bledsoe got hurt.

 

[stcjones]

- red sweatshirt
- trading Branch
- going for it within Ghost's range repeatedly
- benching Welker 1st series


...can make a similar list of Auerbach's boo-boos; they likewise won't take away the titles won

Forgot about BB going for it several times at 4th and short in big games instead of letting Gost make the FG attempt (one time was playoff game or SB in a dome iirc)….never heard true story there whether Gost was hurt or BB had no confidence in his longer kicking game at that time…..good post

 

[gobesmug]

What game are you talking about? The 2001 Super Bowl? If so, that happened in Brady's second year. He spent a year on the bench before Bledsoe got hurt.

I said first year STARTING. Not rookie or first year in the league.

And yes obviously I'm talking about the Superbowl.

 

[gobesmug]

1. Brady wanted to leave.
2. Butler likely crossed a proverbial line set by Belichick. Pats still should have won if Mason didn't get beat so badly in that last drive. Butler would have helped but that entire pass defense was getting torched.
3. Jimmy was going to be lost for nothing if he wasn't traded
4. Michel helped us win a SB
5. Chandler would have been lost for nothing if he wasn't traded

If I had to pick amongst these it would be not drafting Lamar. The Patriots with Lamar at QB, this defense and coaching would be a serious SB contender for the next decade.

1: Brady wanted to leave because of the work conditions. He was not being utilized to his full abilities, being treated like an entry level employee, and was being grossly underpaid on 1 year deals. Any person working in that condition would seek better employment. Brady upgraded everything about his working conditions by going to TB.

2: The secondary was getting shredded. Whatever the reason Bill had for benching Butler, should have ended for the second half. The pats def was desperate for some plays which Butler could have brought. We will never know because Bill's ego got the best of him.

3: It has been reported that the Browns were unaware that Jimmy was available and that they would have offered more, and even Lynch acknowledged he was shocked that Bill was offering him Jimmy for only a second Rd pick because he would have paid more in Bill had bothered to negotiate.

4: Michel was great that playoffs and looked like a budding star. Unfortunately he has bad knees and that prevented him from being able to elevate his game. I place him in the Malcolm Mitchell shelf. Anytime a roster move nets you a Superbowl it's a great decision.

5: Chandler could have been signed to extension but instead Hightower was given that contract. Hightower gave us the impact plays we needed vs the Falcons so Bill made the right call.

1 Bill was clearly wrong. 2 Bill didn't fully maximize the trade potential but it was the right call to trade Jimmy so it was ok. 3 Bill was wrong for not giving Butler a chance in the second half. 4 & 5 Bill was right.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Terrible troll at that.

He should be banned.

Mods are asleep or just don't care any more. We have a few posters that like to make stuff up and spam every single thread with kindergarten post that could have been written in crayon.

Have any opinion you want but back it up like a normal person. Most can respect that. NEM & DKF are just weirdos that need attention though.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah that Brady, he really was screwing this team over the last 20 years. lol. Please tell me someone who thinks this joke is a patriots fan.

He's a troll. A bad bad one too.

 

[sb1]

He's a troll. A bad bad one too.

On PFT he's usually good for a at least a 5:1 dislike to like ratio

 

[Loving_life35]

I’m sure this has been said but the biggest mistake not on the list is signing Scam Newton

 

[IllegalContact]

BB's biggest mistake was trading for Duane Starks

Brady doesn't matter........the Pats weren't going to win another SB with Brady.

20 years of Tom Brady was merely a placeholder for the future and Mac Jones

 

[Mr Snrub]

Drafting Harry over AJ Brown, DK and Deebo Samuel still annoys me.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Not paying deion branch or at least no wrs behind him that season

 

[gobesmug]

Not paying deion branch or at least no wrs behind him that season

I think Bill was correct on that one. At least the part about Branch.

Branch was never a #1 Wr. He put up mediocre stats in Seattle because Brady made him look a lot better than he actually was

 

[MahomestoKelce]

I didn't have as much of a problem with 4th and 2 as some people do. I think Faulk got there but even if he didn't it was understandable. Maybe a different playcall other than that one would have caught the Colts by surprise.

I didn't think going for it on 4th and 13 instead of a FG in the Super Bowl was a wise decision

Those 4th down attempts in the AFCCG in Denver. If we kicked the FGs instead we get to beat Cam in the Super Bowl.

The two Brady philly specials were Josh's call but if they were Bill's idea then they belong on any "worst" list. Brady is the GOAT you don't need to run goofy gimmick plays that involve a 40 year old QB catching passes

Chung fake punt in that Jets playoff game

The Eagles dropkick was dumb

"New England wins the toss and they elect to kick..."

No confidence in the kicker after that missed extra point. Man..I just looked it up. Gostkowski was an issue in 4 straight championship games. 2015 in Denver. Then three straight SB's.

I had to go research. But I think going for it in Indy was the right call. You punt and Manning drives the length of the field for the TD. If you get the first you likely win the game. No lose situation imo. Just like Atlanta should've went for the onside kick to start OT in the SB. Your D is gassed. Brady is going to get the TD regardless. Why not go for it?

2015 had to be his worst coaching year. All they had to do was beat one of the Jets or Dolphins. He elects to give the Jets, and the game, away in NJ. Then, completely gives up in Miami. If that AFC title game is in NE, I'd say the Patriots have 7 SB titles right now. The Eagles game was bad too that year.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

I think Bill was correct on that one. At least the part about Branch.

Branch was never a #1 Wr. He put up mediocre stats in Seattle because Brady made him look a lot better than he actually was

I was too young to be watching football back then. But I researched. I honestly think they win the SB in 06 if they have Branch. He was able to consistently get open and was a deep threat.

 

[gobesmug]

I was too young to be watching football back then. But I researched. I honestly think they win the SB in 06 if they have Branch. He was able to consistently get open and was a deep threat.

Branch definitely had a great chemistry with Brady, but if Branch plays that season it would have been with a big extension.

There would be too many variables to determine the impact Branch makes on that entire season.

It's possible that with Branch the Pats finish 2nd place with a 13-3 record.

If that happens the Chargers steam roll the Colts, because they always did, and with the added confidence perhaps the Chargers beat the Pats in the AFC championship game then the Chargers win the Superbowl and Marty Schottebhiemer stays the HC, he was vastly superior to Norv Turner, then the Chargers become a dynasty and win a few Superbowls.

The charges were a great team and with Marty they were better. They had the game winning Int against the Pats that would have advanced them to the AFC championship game if the DB had just knelt down

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Branch definitely had a great chemistry with Brady, but if Branch plays that season it would have been with a big extension.

There would be too many variables to determine the impact Branch makes on that entire season.

It's possible that with Branch the Pats finish 2nd place with a 13-3 record.

If that happens the Chargers steam roll the Colts, because they always did, and with the added confidence perhaps the Chargers beat the Pats in the AFC championship game then the Chargers win the Superbowl and Marty Schottebhiemer stays the HC, he was vastly superior to Norv Turner, then the Chargers become a dynasty and win a few Superbowls.

The charges were a great team and with Marty they were better. They had the game winning Int against the Pats that would have advanced them to the AFC championship game if the DB had just knelt down

I did research.

Between 06-09 it seemed:

NE had SD's number
Colts had NE's number
Chargers had Colts number

Weird how that works

But yes I think the Chargers are a kneel down away from their first ever SB win.

They would've likely destroyed Indy at home and taken out Chicago easily.

The NFC was pretty weak in 06. Bears were a good team above alot of average ones.