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Oh, Bulimia.Bielema
He was overweight here but hes a blimp now.
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He was overweight here but hes a blimp now.
Nobody is arguing about Slater and Bethel. It's the other three.
But I am admittedly less concerned now that the decent players they cut (like Bryant) made it through waivers.
They are still clearly light at corner, and so some currently on the 53 will not survive.
I was as well.... UNTIL I saw the PS roster. All the players I would have rather seen on the 53 instead of Davis and King made it to the PS. I think the criticism is valid, and Bedard wrote a good piece on it, BUT..... the PS moves make it all moot.Nobody is arguing about Slater and Bethel. It's the other three.
But I am admittedly less concerned now that the decent players they cut (like Bryant) made it through waivers.
They are still clearly light at corner, and so some currently on the 53 will not survive.
But is it really valid, Ken? Davis was the teams 3rd in snaps for special teams. I can't think of an error he made last year that cost the team anything. What I do remember is Davis doing well on kick coverages. And usually being the 2nd or 3rd guy down on Punt coverages behind Slater and/or Bethel.I was as well.... UNTIL I saw the PS roster. All the players I would have rather seen on the 53 instead of Davis and King made it to the PS. I think the criticism is valid, and Bedard wrote a good piece on it, BUT..... the PS moves make it all moot.
I actually heard he recently lost 20-30 lbs, so he was even blimpier recently.Bielema
He was overweight here but hes a blimp now.
this has nothing to do with how good Davis was. The question that Bedard asks is the value of having a guy like Davis who isn't seeing the field on defense unless there is a DIRE emergency on the team at all. Due to all the rules changes as it pertains to special teams, its value has been vastly diminished. Relatively few KO's are being returned. Punters are so good that even that part of the game has lessened. Bedard gave the percentages, but the fact remains clear. The Kicking game (outside of FG's) is not longer "one third of the game" In fact IIRC, it's barely 6% of the game. That's how many plays guys like King and Davis factored in on. Hard to believe that if Bill only kept 2 "ST guys" he couldn't find replacements to do that job among the players he kept that CAN contribute to the offense and defense.But is it really valid, Ken? Davis was the teams 3rd in snaps for special teams. I can't think of an error he made last year that cost the team anything. What I do remember is Davis doing well on kick coverages. And usually being the 2nd or 3rd guy down on Punt coverages behind Slater and/or Bethel.
he was a fat FI actually heard he recently lost 20-30 lbs, so he was even blimpier recently.
What have you seen out of Olzewski at WR that I am missing?! I don’t think he’s shown anything at WR entire time he has been here. Had a great PR year last season and that is apparently why BB is bringing him back….Everyone has been waiting for him to become the next Edelman/slot….he is a tough fearless player but he hasn’t elevated his receiving game thus far….hopefully this is his year. Go Pats!Olzewski isn't JUST here because of special teams ability. He's a solid bottom-of-the-roster WR who has made some big plays for us. I'd rather have Olzewski down there at WR4 or WR5 than guys like Dorsett. He's a very good return man who can also run good routes and has some speed.
Bottom line I don't think he's in the same group as guys like Bolden or Slater who almost never appear on the field outside of the ST unit.
Your right...he does run crisp routes now and has more quickness then before it seems. But he has issues catching the ball sometimes...then again so did Edelman on occasion. We shall see.Olzewski isn't JUST here because of special teams ability. He's a solid bottom-of-the-roster WR who has made some big plays for us. I'd rather have Olzewski down there at WR4 or WR5 than guys like Dorsett. He's a very good return man who can also run good routes and has some speed.
Bottom line I don't think he's in the same group as guys like Bolden or Slater who almost never appear on the field outside of the ST unit.
this has nothing to do with how good Davis was. The question that Bedard asks is the value of having a guy like Davis who isn't seeing the field on defense unless there is a DIRE emergency on the team at all. Due to all the rules changes as it pertains to special teams, its value has been vastly diminished. Relatively few KO's are being returned. Punters are so good that even that part of the game has lessened. Bedard gave the percentages, but the fact remains clear. The Kicking game (outside of FG's) is not longer "one third of the game" In fact IIRC, it's barely 6% of the game. That's how many plays guys like King and Davis factored in on. Hard to believe that if Bill only kept 2 "ST guys" he couldn't find replacements to do that job among the players he kept that CAN contribute to the offense and defense.
Of course what happened with the PS, pretty much every thing I just posted became moot.
Since when is the OP Greg Bedard?this has nothing to do with how good Davis was. The question that Bedard asks is the value of having a guy like Davis who isn't seeing the field on defense unless there is a DIRE emergency on the team at all. Due to all the rules changes as it pertains to special teams, its value has been vastly diminished. Relatively few KO's are being returned. Punters are so good that even that part of the game has lessened. Bedard gave the percentages, but the fact remains clear. The Kicking game (outside of FG's) is not longer "one third of the game" In fact IIRC, it's barely 6% of the game. That's how many plays guys like King and Davis factored in on. Hard to believe that if Bill only kept 2 "ST guys" he couldn't find replacements to do that job among the players he kept that CAN contribute to the offense and defense.
Of course what happened with the PS, pretty much every thing I just posted became moot.
Your right...he does run crisp routes now and has more quickness then before it seems. But he has issues catching the ball sometimes...then again so did Edelman on occasion. We shall see.
You know that Belichick is coaching this team, right? Other teams de-emphasizing special teams is a big flashing neon sign to shore that up and take advantage of their laziness. Kicking teams CAN take advantage of the kickoff touchback rule and also punt it out of bounds to limit returns, sure, but if other teams are actively bad at returning kicks and we're good at covering them, you know damn well that Belichick will instruct kickers and punters to kick in a way that forces returns that usually results in good field position for us.this has nothing to do with how good Davis was. The question that Bedard asks is the value of having a guy like Davis who isn't seeing the field on defense unless there is a DIRE emergency on the team at all. Due to all the rules changes as it pertains to special teams, its value has been vastly diminished. Relatively few KO's are being returned. Punters are so good that even that part of the game has lessened. Bedard gave the percentages, but the fact remains clear. The Kicking game (outside of FG's) is not longer "one third of the game" In fact IIRC, it's barely 6% of the game. That's how many plays guys like King and Davis factored in on. Hard to believe that if Bill only kept 2 "ST guys" he couldn't find replacements to do that job among the players he kept that CAN contribute to the offense and defense.
Of course what happened with the PS, pretty much every thing I just posted became moot.
What have you seen out of Olzewski at WR that I am missing?!
Extra points have NOTHING to do with the issue of keeping King and Davis. The FACT is, on that is indisputable, was that the Pats had to cover just 44 KO's and punts over the course of the past season. And I was was wrong. It wasn't 6% of the plays from scrimmage. It was 2.2% of the 2005 plays. Keeping King and Davis to play those 44 plays is ridiculous.Since when is the OP Greg Bedard?
We'll just have to agree to disagree that the value has diminished. In fact, I'd say that it's INCREASED when you consider the XP rules. And you're ignoring that they guys like King and Davis are in on Punt Coverages.
Like I said to DB, its 44 plays out to 2005. That's 2.2%. That 1961 offensive and defensive plays, and 44 KO's and punts that had to be covered. Do you really think that Bill can't coach up 2 other guys who can do as well or nearly as well as Davis and King for those 44 plays?You know that Belichick is coaching this team, right? Other teams de-emphasizing special teams is a big flashing neon sign to shore that up and take advantage of their laziness. Kicking teams CAN take advantage of the kickoff touchback rule and also punt it out of bounds to limit returns, sure, but if other teams are actively bad at returning kicks and we're good at covering them, you know damn well that Belichick will instruct kickers and punters to kick in a way that forces returns that usually results in good field position for us.
Belichick sees an area of football that's undervalued and you know he will go the other way. It's why we have a young pocket passer and a traditional running attack in the age of mobile quarterbacks running RPOs.