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I like how he left out such key first dynasty contributors who left on bad terms like Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Ted Johnson, and Richard Seymour. I guess they didn’t bleed red silver and blue and wear flying Elvis pajamas so screw them.
Ty Law was one of my favorite players in NFL history.
But he was TY first everyone knew that.
Vrabel wasn’t drafted by the Pats he’s a heck of a player but I wouldn’t put him with Troy Brown and Rodney Harrison that’s just my opinion.
Ted Johnson was a ok player heck or a run plugger but that’s about it.
Seymour is a monster but his clashing with Bill over money and yes I am disgusted BB disciplined Seymour when He took time off when Seymour Father passed.
But Seymour wasn’t the face of our franchise.
Tom was we always said he’s different then Peyton he’s different than Brett he’s different than the divas.
That’s what I loved the most about Tom and I was going to name my first born Brady til his mother the day of his birth said no that was her cousins name.
So I named him Brayden.
Nobody was a bigger Tom fan than me but that was the humble put the team first it’s not me it’s the players the it takes 53 guys it’s the coaching.
If you can’t see this isn’t the same guy I don’t know what to say to you.
But I respect your Tom Brady love.
I see a guy who was so obsessed with his sports immortality he hooked on to a controversial trainer and moved the guy in. Belichick and Lombardi both thought he was at the end which is why they drafted Jimmy.
Lombardis words were it was his velocity his arm strength his decision making was All on the Down slide.
Now his arm strength mental processing deep ball is all better than ever.
Tom isn’t human, or he’s found some supplement not on the band list that is giving Him a advantage.
This is the same trainer who was with A Rod.
I honestly think Bill knows something and didn’t want his legacy tarnished by it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or idiot I don’t care, Bill wanted to separate for a reason.
 
Imagine if Bill chirps Tom in the game like he did with Derrick Mason :D
 
Ty Law was one of my favorite players in NFL history.
But he was TY first everyone knew that.
Vrabel wasn’t drafted by the Pats he’s a heck of a player but I wouldn’t put him with Troy Brown and Rodney Harrison that’s just my opinion.
Ted Johnson was a ok player heck or a run plugger but that’s about it.
Seymour is a monster but his clashing with Bill over money and yes I am disgusted BB disciplined Seymour when He took time off when Seymour Father passed.
But Seymour wasn’t the face of our franchise.
Tom was we always said he’s different then Peyton he’s different than Brett he’s different than the divas.
That’s what I loved the most about Tom and I was going to name my first born Brady til his mother the day of his birth said no that was her cousins name.
So I named him Brayden.
Nobody was a bigger Tom fan than me but that was the humble put the team first it’s not me it’s the players the it takes 53 guys it’s the coaching.
If you can’t see this isn’t the same guy I don’t know what to say to you.
But I respect your Tom Brady love.
I see a guy who was so obsessed with his sports immortality he hooked on to a controversial trainer and moved the guy in. Belichick and Lombardi both thought he was at the end which is why they drafted Jimmy.
Lombardis words were it was his velocity his arm strength his decision making was All on the Down slide.
Now his arm strength mental processing deep ball is all better than ever.
Tom isn’t human, or he’s found some supplement not on the band list that is giving Him a advantage.
This is the same trainer who was with A Rod.
I honestly think Bill knows something and didn’t want his legacy tarnished by it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or idiot I don’t care, Bill wanted to separate for a reason.

Brady started working with Alex when WILLIE MCGINIST introduced him to Tom around 2004 which is about 10 years before you claim Brady met him and started cheating. Maybe obsessing over the long term health of his body from the age of 27 lends itself to being in better shape at 43. Who knew.
 
Ty Law was one of my favorite players in NFL history.
But he was TY first everyone knew that.
Vrabel wasn’t drafted by the Pats he’s a heck of a player but I wouldn’t put him with Troy Brown and Rodney Harrison that’s just my opinion.
Ted Johnson was a ok player heck or a run plugger but that’s about it.
Seymour is a monster but his clashing with Bill over money and yes I am disgusted BB disciplined Seymour when He took time off when Seymour Father passed.
But Seymour wasn’t the face of our franchise.
Tom was we always said he’s different then Peyton he’s different than Brett he’s different than the divas.
That’s what I loved the most about Tom and I was going to name my first born Brady til his mother the day of his birth said no that was her cousins name.
So I named him Brayden.
Nobody was a bigger Tom fan than me but that was the humble put the team first it’s not me it’s the players the it takes 53 guys it’s the coaching.
If you can’t see this isn’t the same guy I don’t know what to say to you.
But I respect your Tom Brady love.
I see a guy who was so obsessed with his sports immortality he hooked on to a controversial trainer and moved the guy in. Belichick and Lombardi both thought he was at the end which is why they drafted Jimmy.
Lombardis words were it was his velocity his arm strength his decision making was All on the Down slide.
Now his arm strength mental processing deep ball is all better than ever.
Tom isn’t human, or he’s found some supplement not on the band list that is giving Him a advantage.
This is the same trainer who was with A Rod.
I honestly think Bill knows something and didn’t want his legacy tarnished by it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or idiot I don’t care, Bill wanted to separate for a reason.
If Brady is caught with PEDs then that will taint every single one of Belichick and the Pats championships and accomplishments in the last 10 years and beyond. I don’t know why some pats fans seem to be cheering for that to happen. If Belichick knew about it then that makes him a cheater too.

They separated because it was time to move on for both sides. Nothing more.
 
Honestly seeing Tom in Tampa shows me he was always about his brand he’s not Troy Brown, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinest, Deion Branch, Devin Mccourty, I think Tom used to be but incredible success and a international super star wife made him think it was the New England Tom’s.
He’s not the team first guy we always felt he was.
That’s my grudge I was lead to believe for years that Tom was all about the flying Elvis snd Belichick was the Yoda to his Luke.
This new Tom makes me sick and honestly I’m not a Brady fan I’m a Patriots fan.
I would love nothing more than Tampa Bay loses every game this season and the reason being a Brady back breaking INT on final drives.
:D Wowwowwow lol. I'm not quite where you are - you're looking at the old scripts and thinking, okay now he is the bad guy, he just seemed to be a good guy.

Apologies for this long tl;dr post coming next, just post around it, I know everybody hates these.

I'm just going, "Huh. Okay, I liked the script from The One When New England Won Everything, in fact, I was deeply invested, but it turned out to be just our local flavor of the NFL Show." So the truth is, none of us should ever have thought OUR guys were great heroes, weren't subject to human foibles like greed, etc. -- and I have NEVER seen a coach and QB be on the same page that much for more than a few years, n/m 20. That's part of the thing you're expressing... expecting them to represent virtues rather than be humans. "The Patriots Way."

I think they all bought in/buy in to that, but for fck's sake, when they're done with it, that's okay. I mean, that's part of what "it" is. TFB's interests were his interests, the team's were the team's. He's gone. He's not the most selfish whining Bay-itch known to man, he's not an effeminate pretty boy who can't play. He's the GOAT, last season he GOATED without NE, and that is good for both.

For Brady, if he finished with BB, it would always be like Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber when they worked together. Then one or both of them had big hits without the other, and you couldn't just think of them as Andrew Dice Webber, like I always called them. (Because I know that show tunes and NFL dynasties are natural metaphors for each other, given the similarity in fan bases...) So TFB is now TFB, the GOAT regardless of place and time, and one day FAIRLY soon, his career will be legend and memory, and we'll remember him as the so-unquestionably-GOAT-guy-it's-not-even-funny. Think about it... PART of that will be the fact that he could do it elsewhere. Cold comfort, but our interests align a tiny bit.

But he still doesn't give a shlitz about you or me and never did. And truthfully we don't care about them. It's just everybody's role during the season... it's cathartic. We laugh, we cry, our hearts soar, sometimes they break (although those moments have been few and far between lately.) I mean, that's what we pay for.

TFB was the best show in town, now he's not, open season. Sweep the leg. Not really, don't dirty-hit him, it ain't that important. But until and unless he signs with us again, he's the other thing you can watch when the Pats aren't in contention. He's not the Patriots, though I have to admit, he's a slight rooting interest (I also root for Garopollo and rooted for Hoyer and Mallett and Brisket and everybody else who ever carried Tom's clipboard. Hell, if somebody hires Stidham sometime soon, I'll laugh first, then root for him to prove us wrong.)
I like how he left out such key first dynasty contributors who left on bad terms like Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Ted Johnson, and Richard Seymour. I guess they didn’t bleed red silver and blue and wear flying Elvis pajamas so screw them.
The reality's just not nearly as fun as the drama, and go easy... the drama is what the League* pushes. "Storylines." You notice how often we hear about "storylines?" How about in our real lives, do we think there's a "storyline" about who's likely to get promoted, who gets their sales targets, who will and won't be cheated on? We pretend there is. We pretend we're good virtuous winners who did all the right things the right way until we get some bad outcomes, then we wisely proclaim that it's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up.

But if somebody other than you is telling you about your "storyline" do you think that person is likely to have your best interest at heart? :D It is to laugh. Well, that's what NFL players would have to give us power to do to them, if they are to be the people we and "the media" try to make them.

Here's a bit of an interesting fact that hides in plain sight.

A lot of people like to talk about "the media." Generally they mean the channels/papers/etc. that tell stories that differ from the ones they like. "Don't believe that, that's just "the media" "narrative." "

THEIR favorite media, meanwhile, are not media. They are just telling the truth -- even on their all-opinion hours. Their narrative is not a narrative, it's just the obvious trail leading through the breadcrumbs.

Right, that said, what does media mean, with this context understood?

It's the thing mediating between you, the media consumer, and the facts as they are transpiring. Providers of narrative, sure, not just data. But everybody in the position of media is playing this role. They are a "middleman" of information. (Your favorite is in the same role. If you're a responsible media consumer, you agree with me on which media "do the best job." But the position, and the meaning, of "the media" doesn't change.)

But when drama breaks down, the position and function of "the media" almost disappears, because there's no narrative. Things are just working because competent people are doing their jobs.

If deep down we want the equivalent of WWE in many walks of life, we will increasingly get public figures whose proclamations and actions would fit WWE "storylines." If they really haven't got much "story" in them... chances are they don't think of their job as a face of entertainment, but of some other pursuit, for example, winning games.

Sports media is always on a hunt for storylines. If you get carried away, you can get into those, pro-Tom, anti-Tom, hate him, miss him, hate your own team, whatever.... "fan" is short for "fanatic." We're encouraged to play our own part in the metadrama, to be the groundlings hurling rotten vegetables at the actors playing the villainous Richard III or whatever.... even though we know they're not these roles. At least we should know.

/Core dump rant
 
If Brady is caught with PEDs then that will taint every single one of Belichick and the Pats championships and accomplishments in the last 10 years and beyond. I don’t know why some pats fans seem to be cheering for that to happen. If Belichick knew about it then that makes him a cheater too.

They separated because it was time to move on for both sides. Nothing more.
He said taint.
 
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Honestly seeing Tom in Tampa shows me he was always about his brand he’s not Troy Brown, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinest, Deion Branch, Devin Mccourty, I think Tom used to be but incredible success and a international super star wife made him think it was the New England Tom’s.
He’s not the team first guy we always felt he was.
That’s my grudge I was lead to believe for years that Tom was all about the flying Elvis snd Belichick was the Yoda to his Luke.
This new Tom makes me sick and honestly I’m not a Brady fan I’m a Patriots fan.
I would love nothing more than Tampa Bay loses every game this season and the reason being a Brady back breaking INT on final drives.
Maybe it should make you appreciate Brady more. He kept all his opinions bottled up for 20 years because that was what was expected of him.

Now that he has the opportunity to say and do more of what he wants maybe we're seeing that Brady wasn't the exact person we thought he was (which I would likely still disagree with). But it just goes to emphasize that he more or less suppressed all that to be a model employee for two decades.
 
I like how he left out such key first dynasty contributors who left on bad terms like Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Ted Johnson, and Richard Seymour. I guess they didn’t bleed red silver and blue and wear flying Elvis pajamas so screw them.
I’d add Bruschi as well. They drafted Mayo in 2008 and told Teddy to retire or get cut one year later. That’s brutal.

I’m sure Vrabel getting thrown in as a sweetener for the Cassel deal didn’t make him too happy.
Vrabel wasn’t drafted by the Pats he’s a heck of a player but I wouldn’t put him with Troy Brown and Rodney Harrison that’s just my opinion.
Rodney Harrison wasn’t drafted by the Pats either.
Ted Johnson was a ok player heck or a run plugger but that’s about it.
Johnson had a couple years in the late 90’s were it was debated who was the best LB in the NFL between he and Zack Thomas.

The NFL was also in an era where stopping the run was the main priority and LB’s were known to be mostly worthless in coverage.

There was a reason Bruschi didn’t see the field much until Johnson got injured in ‘99. Injuries eventually slowed Johnson down, but he put together one of his best seasons in 2003.

Rodney Harrison. Deion Branch
They should not be included in that list. Rodney was known as one of the dirtiest and disliked players in the NFL. Nobody but Bill wanted him in 2003.

I have no idea where Branch fits in. He was only important to Tom because there wasn’t anyone else besides Givens who also left.
And sure he was brought back, probably to mollify Brady because Bill traded Moss. (Which was the correct decision btw)
It was a terrible decision that came back to bite them in the *** in the playoffs. Rex Ryan recently said on the show “Get Up”, that it was easy to put together the game plan knowing the Pats didn’t have any outside threats so he clogged the middle of the field.

2010 and 2011 were wasted opportunities.
 
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I’d add Bruschi as well. They drafted Mayo in 2008 and told Teddy to retire or get cut one year later. That’s brutal.

I’m sure Vrabel getting thrown in as a sweetener for the Cassel deal didn’t make him too happy.

Rodney Harrison wasn’t drafted by the Pats either.

Johnson had a couple years in the late 90’s were it was debated who was the best LB in the NFL between he and Zack Thomas.

The NFL was also in an era where stopping the run was the main priority and LB’s were known to be mostly worthless in coverage.

There was a reason Bruschi didn’t see the field much until Johnson got injured in ‘99. Injuries eventually slowed Johnson down, but he put together one of his best seasons in 2003.


They should not be included in that list. Rodney was known as one of the dirtiest and disliked players in the NFL. Nobody but Bill wanted him in 2003.

I have no idea where Branch fits in. He was only important to Tom because there wasn’t anyone else besides Givens who also left.

It was a terrible decision that came back to bite them in the *** in the playoffs. Rex Ryan recently said on the show “Get Up”, that it was easy to put together the game plan knowing the Pats didn’t have any outside threats so he clogged the middle of the field.

2010 and 2011 were wasted opportunities.

I agree with literally everything you wrote in this great post except about Moss in 2010. Look at what he did on the Vikings and then the Titans that year. For whatever reason he was done. I blame 2010 on Brady throwing an awful interception at the start of the Jets game after not throwing one for like 12 games which seemed to set panic into the entire team and then Alge Crumpler dropping the worlds easiest touchdown.

2011 was due to Gronk being on one leg and our secondary being a bottom 5 in league history.
 
I agree with literally everything you wrote in this great post except about Moss in 2010. Look at what he did on the Vikings and then the Titans that year. For whatever reason he was done. I blame 2010 on Brady throwing an awful interception at the start of the Jets game after not throwing one for like 12 games which seemed to set panic into the entire team and then Alge Crumpler dropping the worlds easiest touchdown.

2011 was due to Gronk being on one leg and our secondary being a bottom 5 in league history.
I’m not saying Moss would’ve been the reason they won as he was in decline, but there was no reason to trade him but just let him walk after his deal expired. He still could’ve helped the team. In fact, Moss regrets the way he handled that situation (bizarre press conference after week 1 win) prior to getting traded.

And yeah, I had a bad feeling too after that awful INT by Brady.

BB gets a lot of blame for not being able to control Mark Sanchez of all people.
 
There are an awful lot of guys who talked about how much they wanted to play against Brady.

It quite usually ends up very poorly for those guys.
 
Johnson had a couple years in the late 90’s were it was debated who was the best LB in the NFL between he and Zack Thomas.

The NFL was also in an era where stopping the run was the main priority and LB’s were known to be mostly worthless in coverage.

Yup, Johnson was a beast in the 90's... I remember a game down in Dallas where he jumped over the LOS to grab Emmitt by the ankle....

A couple years ago, I'd read where TJ was having issues with concussions. Hope he got some relief or resolved those issues somehow... what he said on the radio...ouch...

Remember Andy Katzenmoyer too? He also was pretty damn good until concussions ended his career....I recall Belichick testing Katz to see if he could still take a hit....ouch...
 
… I have never heard a single person say Brady did anything alone …
Haven’t seen all the posts from Brady ball washers on here? Or just not noticing them?
What fans hate Brady? Another silly talking point.
according to posts I’ve seen on here anyone who doesn’t idolize Brady hates him. Thought you’d been here long enough to know that.

Nobody was a bigger Tom fan than me but that was the humble put the team first it’s not me it’s the players the it takes 53 guys it’s the coaching.
If you can’t see this isn’t the same guy I don’t know what to say to you.
But I respect your Tom Brady love.
I see a guy who was so obsessed with his sports immortality he hooked on to a controversial trainer and moved the guy in. Belichick and Lombardi both thought he was at the end which is why they drafted Jimmy.
Lombardis words were it was his velocity his arm strength his decision making was All on the Down slide.
Now his arm strength mental processing deep ball is all better than ever.
Tom isn’t human, or he’s found some supplement not on the band list that is giving Him a advantage.
This is the same trainer who was with A Rod.
I honestly think Bill knows something and didn’t want his legacy tarnished by it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or idiot I don’t care, Bill wanted to separate for a reason.
Brady is not the same unselfish workaholic that he was as a youngster. Success went to his head. He’s still the workaholic but now he’s more of a prima donna workaholic. And it may be a good question about how well vetted his supplements and training methods are. His favorite trainer has had some sketchy episodes, and it seems Brady has reacted negatively to scrutiny of that aspect of his routine. May be nothing to it but the team does have a vested interest in transparency and accountability in that area, and it was reportedly a bit of a conflict at times.
 
Basically everyone on the Buccaneers, including players who are around half of Brady’s age, have been coming out for months (basically since the playoff win against the Saints) saying that Brady was this incredible influence on them all and a guy who was incredibly personable but also a ball buster who taught them how to win. So yeah not sure anyone who actually interacts with the man on a daily basis considers him a Prima Donna. And it’s pretty clear players on the Bucs don’t have a gag order, they can just say whatever the hell they want so I wouldn’t go calling them liars.

Was Brady a pill in the lockeroom for the 2019 season and not his usual self in terms of being a team guy because he kind of gave up when he figured he couldn’t get this offense to do anything he wanted them to do? Yep I wouldn’t deny that. But I can forgive him after 17 great years prior to that.
 
Remember Andy Katzenmoyer too? He also was pretty damn good until concussions ended his career....I recall Belichick testing Katz to see if he could still take a hit....ouch...
He had a neck injury that ended his career.

But yes, the myth amongst Pats fans (who probably weren’t watching then) was that Katzenmoyer sucked. In fact, he was the pre Urlacher and some used Katz as a comp when entered the league.

The dude was a beast in his first year as a starter and his size/athletic ability was going to be a game changer back then. Him taking back a Dan Marino INT to the house with ease was pretty eye opening back then.
 
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I imagine its just another game to Brady, I mean he won the superbowl last year, he really does not have much to prove anymore. I doubt the players on the Patriots hate Brady near as much as some fans do, but they are going to play just like he is. Its not really bullitin board material.

I don’t think it’s just “ another game” to Brady, the Patriots may be the only team in football he hasn’t beaten. And while I have no doubt Brady and Belichick completely respect each other I am also certain they really want to beat the other.
 
.......................They should not be included in that list. Rodney was known as one of the dirtiest and disliked players in the NFL. Nobody but Bill wanted him in 2003......................
Say what you want about Rodney, and while most of it will be true, he was an important cog in the wheel for a few years here.
 
........................TFB was the best show in town, now he's not, open season. Sweep the leg. Not really, don't dirty-hit him, it ain't that important. But until and unless he signs with us again, he's the other thing you can watch when the Pats aren't in contention. ...................
That's the way I see it to. I enjoyed last year's SB more than I would have any other SB the Patriots weren't in.
 


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