Update: Prince Aaron demands Packers fire GM

[amfootball]

For all the crap I give him, Rodgers is an elite QB in this league. Love is no threat to him and everyone knows it. This ego driven hissy fit is ridiculous.

I so agree with this statement. Like, what on earth is he doing? He is about to throw away an entire season or even retire for a QB that has no chance of supplanting him probably ever. GB holds all the cards. He is under contract for 3 years. He has been in the NFCCG two years in a row with an offensive-minded HC who just helped him have the best year of his career at age 37.

So now what? He wants to go to the Broncos and play Mahomes twice a year? What a moron. Honestly. I mean Brady is going to be 44 for goodness sakes. That is his ONLY competition in the NFC. Seattle is a fraud, the Rams have perennial loser Stafford and then who else is there? Dallas? LOL. The Cards? LOL. In the words of Matt Dillon in the movie Beautiful Girls, I think Rodgers has been eating ****** sandwiches again.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

So GB GM is to blame because he doesn’t have the weapons KC does? How many other teams have those weapons?

No I meant just look at Mahomes and his numbers with weapons. GB is far away from KC Tampa with skill positions and depth. Their draft should support AR imo bc it can take a long time until they get a QB like AR but you don’t win without one imo

Rodgers has a top WR, top RB, and a one of the leagues best lines. He hasn’t been playing for the JETE or the Jags.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Blaming the GM because Rodgers choked in the 4th quarter of the NFCCG doesn't make sense.

I did not intend that with my post

Rodgers was throwing to one of the very best WRs in the league. And Rodgers is confident enough in Tonyan as his TE that he made it abundantly clear he wanted him back. Aaron Jones is a RB who can catch it out of the backfield. The team's offensive line is one of the very best in the league, and Bakhtiari getting injured certainly isn't the GM's fault.

Pls Look at the depth chart for WR at Kansas and Tampa and GB. That’s a huge difference imo.

Could the Packers use a better WR2? Sure, but that's not the same as the GM having failed.

They drafted in 2020 no one to support their current needs and mostly depth pieces at best. I would not do that if you have a solid contending team with a pro bowl QB caliber. I don’t want to say that it is only GB fault, AR isn’t behaving like I would expect it

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Yep, Goodkunt ****ed up that first-round pick...Should've taken WR Tee Higgins once Justin Jefferson & Brandon Aiyuk were off the board...or even LB Patrick Queen to help the defense...

Exactly and Dillon and Deguara with the picks beyond that when Dillon was the rb number 3 is not helping to win right now which you should with AR performance imo given his age

 

[Deus Irae]

No I meant just look at Mahomes and his numbers with weapons. GB is far away from KC Tampa with skill positions and depth. Their draft should support AR imo bc it can take a long time until they get a QB like AR but you don’t win without one imo

I did not intend that with my post

Pls Look at the depth chart for WR at Kansas and Tampa and GB. That’s a huge difference imo.

They drafted in 2020 no one to support their current needs and mostly depth pieces at best. I would not do that if you have a solid contending team with a pro bowl QB caliber. I don’t want to say that it is only GB fault, AR isn’t behaving like I would expect it

Let's try this again:

• The Packers have, arguably, the best WR in the game.
• The Packers have more than adequate WRs beyond WR2.
• The Packers have a TE that is the TE Rodgers wanted to keep.
• The Packers have a high end RB.
• The Packers have one of the top OLs in the NFL.

In other words, offensively, the Packers have everything except a high end WR2. Calling that a GM failure is just wrong. And calling it some kind of problem because Green Bay's offensive supporting cast isn't quite as potent as the one Mahomes' has is ridiculous.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I think it just seems that way because every time a top QB fails in the PO there is a tendency to blame the talent around him when it is really him not getting the job done or they just ran into a better team.

It's interesting you bring up KC. Alex Smith had the same exact weapons and got bounced in the first round at home multiple times. Mahomes steps on the field and Kelce is talked about as one of the best TEs in the game and Hill is considered the top WR. That is Mahomes elevating them and everyone else to that level.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rodgers is a supreme talent but he is not a true elevator. He is just too self-focused and worries about his stat line to transcend his ability to motivation for the other players. We saw the same thing with Manning too and his offenses were stacked.

I agree he does not behave like a true leader. He should go forward and behave like a „Vorbild“ sorry don’t know the right translation. I am super drink and can’t read or remember the rest sorry

One other thing, LaFleur seems like a top coach, certainly offensively. Rodgers just had his best season under him and was league MVP with the top offense in the league (even better than Mahomes/KC) and yet somehow when the PO rolled around, it was because he didn't have weapons? It is a fallacy because like I said, we tend to do that with top QBs when really it is them or sometimes just bad luck. I mean the Niners were a wagon two years ago and the Bucs this year caught fire in the Saints game and have the GOAT QB who is the best post-season performer ever. But really, in the end Rodgers just choked too. He had a chance at the end and didn't get it done at the goal line. He is paid and revered as one of the greatest because he is expected to get it done in that situation.

I agree I thought during the game he had in an redzone situation someone open but just did not take the shot for some reason.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Let's try this again:

• The Packers have, arguably, the best WR in the game.
• The Packers have more than adequate WRs beyond WR2.
• The Packers have a TE that is the TE Rodgers wanted to keep.
• The Packers have a high end RB.
• The Packers have one of the top OLs in the NFL.

In other words, offensively, the Packers have everything except a high end WR2. Calling that a GM failure is just wrong.

You don’t think the GM failed recently? GB was close to a SB and did not miss much. But they did not improve the team like you would expect if they would be true sold on AR imo. A lot of future picks who can start or may start in couple of years.

And calling it some kind of problem because Green Bay's offense isn't quite as potent as the Chiefs' offense is ridiculous.

 

[Deus Irae]

You don’t think the GM failed recently?

Failed is a loaded term, in context. For every GM, failure is the norm, not the exception. It's how we mean "failed", in context, that really matters.

• Was it the GM's fault that Rodger had 2 3-and-out drives to start this last (2020) NFCCG's 4th quarter, then couldn't put the ball in the endzone in a 1st-and-goal situation?
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers tossed 2 picks in the 2019 NFCCG after throwing only 4 all regular season long? Was it the GM's fault that the 13-3 Packers got smoked twice by the 49ers?
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers and his offense put up zero points in the first half of the 2016 NFCCG? They'd played the same team in the regular season, and GB had been able to put up 24 points in the first half of that game.
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers laid an egg in the 2014 NFCCG, throwing 2 INTs and finishing with a QB rating of 55.8?

Look, we went through this with BB not bringing in a legit middle-deep threat for years. It matters, no question. But Rodgers isn't just a one man band out there. Brady was able to find a way to win multiple Super Bowls without that receiver, while Rodgers can't get past the NFCCG.

Frankly, if you want to point to GB GM failures, you have a better argument if you talk about the defense rather than the WR2.

 

[Boomer B]

You don’t think the GM failed recently? GB was close to a SB and did not miss much. But they did not improve the team like you would expect if they would be true sold on AR imo. A lot of future picks who can start or may start in couple of years.

So why does AR not deserve any responsibility for his teams lack of playoff success? Like Deus said: maybe the best Wr in the game, top tier RB, great line, decent other WR’s, decent TE. Rodgers has been given more then enough to succeed.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

No I meant just look at Mahomes and his numbers with weapons. GB is far away from KC Tampa with skill positions and depth. Their draft should support AR imo bc it can take a long time until they get a QB like AR but you don’t win without one imo

You don’t think the GM failed recently? GB was close to a SB and did not miss much. But they did not improve the team like you would expect if they would be true sold on AR imo. A lot of future picks who can start or may start in couple of years.

Every team fails often in consistently drafting talent. In fact, Kansas City has drafted poorly for 3-4 years now and have not continued to provide high level offensive players for Mahomes. So, why do the Chiefs have more star players? They just kicked Mahomes contract down the road another year and avoided a gigantic cap hit, while the Packers do not have that luxury. Mahomes has another year left for his rookie deal to provide that cap flexibility and then he'll be in the same boat as Rodgers...maybe worse. The Chiefs are still running on the fuel of the drafts from roughly 2012-16 and about to run out of fumes. Check out the Packers roster in 2011 to see what it looks like when a star QB hasn't broken the bank yet, or you can still delay a big cap hit.

What would Kansas City's roster look like if Mahomes tacked on another $30M to bring his cap number to the same level as Rodgers?

That is the reason why the Packers cannot just go out and spend like Kansas City, but as @Deus Irae pointed out, the Packers have absolutely done a terrific job of providing Rodgers with a strong supporting cast, despite the salary hurdle.

The problem is people expect an unrealistic draft return and an unrealistic free agnecy value return. To have $40M dedicated to your star QB, $15M dedicated to your star receiver, $22M dedicated to your star left tackle, how can you build much of your roster with anything other than bargain bin players? And you cannot ever count on a team "beating" the draft, especially when they often pick first in the late first round.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Every team fails often in conistently drafting talent. In fact, Kansas City has drafted poorly for 3-4 years now and have not continued to provide high level offensive players for Mahomes. So, why do the Chiefs have more star players? They just kicked Mahomes contract down the road another year and avoided a gigantic cap hit, while the Packers do not have that luxury. Mahomes has another year left for his rookie deal to provide that cap flexibility and then he'll be in the same boat as Rodgers...maybe worse.

What would Kansas City's roster look like if Mahomes tacked on another $30M to bring his cap number to the same level as Rodgers?

That is the reason why the Packers cannot just go out and spend like Kansas City, but as @Deus Irae pointed out, the Packers have absolutely done a terrific job of providing Rodgers with a strong supporting cast, despite the salary hurdle.

The problem is people expect an unrealistic draft return and an unrealistic free agnecy value return. To have $40M dedicated to your star QB, $15M dedicated to your star receiver, $22M dedicated to your star left tackle, how can you build much of your roster with anything other than bargain bin players? And you cannot ever count on a team "beating" the draft, especially when they often pick first in the late first round.

I have to admit this is a very good Point but when you look at their draft it did not seem they are sold on AR and tried to provide him with BPA bc Dillon and Deguara looked like major reaches and future replacements of current starters.

 

[Deus Irae]

So why does AR not deserve any responsibility for his teams lack of playoff success? Like Deus said: maybe the best Wr in the game, top tier RB, great line, decent other WR’s, decent TE. Rodgers has been given more then enough to succeed.

I just want to add a note to this (hope you don't mind):


Rodgers has been playing in the NFC. He's not had to get past some gauntlet with a Peyton/Brady/Roethlisberger/Mahomes type of opposing QB lineup to get to the SB. **** happens, and all, but he's lost NFCCGs to Matt Ryan and JAG. So it's not like he's only losing to great QBs on long-great teams.


Rodgers' road to the NFCCG in recent seasons:

2020 - Jared Goff
2019 - Wilson
2016 - Corpse of Eli, Dak
2014 - Choking dog Romo

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Failed is a loaded term, in context. For every GM, failure is the norm, not the exception. It's how we mean "failed", in context, that really matters.

• Was it the GM's fault that Rodger had 2 3-and-out drives to start this last (2020) NFCCG's 4th quarter, then couldn't put the ball in the endzone in a 1st-and-goal situation?
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers tossed 2 picks in the 2019 NFCCG after throwing only 4 all regular season long? Was it the GM's fault that the 13-3 Packers got smoked twice by the 49ers?
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers and his offense put up zero points in the first half of the 2016 NFCCG? They'd played the same team in the regular season, and GB had been able to put up 24 points in the first half of that game.
• Was it the GM's fault that Rodgers laid an egg in the 2014 NFCCG, throwing 2 INTs and finishing with a QB rating of 55.8?

Look, we went through this with BB not bringing in a legit middle-deep threat for years. It matters, no question. But Rodgers isn't just a one man band out there. Brady was able to find a way to win multiple Super Bowls without that receiver, while Rodgers can't get past the NFCCG.

Well Brady is on another Level of his own. Yeah AR did not perform that well but if you look who TB and KC had last year at offense skill positions and GB you see there is a difference. Their No2/3 WR TE would play in GB easy and upgrade their team by they know they need to use their small window during Tom Brady still playing and Mahomes still relative cheap and they used it. GB did not use it right imo

Frankly, if you want to point to GB GM failures, you have a better argument if you talk about the defense rather than the WR2.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well Brady is on another Level of his own. Yeah AR did not perform that well but if you look who TB and KC had last year at offense skill positions and GB you see there is a difference. Their No2/3 WR TE would play in GB easy and upgrade their team by they know they need to use their small window during Tom Brady still playing and Mahomes still relative cheap and they used it. GB did not use it right imo

Your argument is ridiculous. Having a lesser group of offensive weapons than the Chiefs does not equate with failure.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well Brady is on another Level of his own. Yeah AR did not perform that well but if you look who TB and KC had last year at offense skill positions and GB you see there is a difference. Their No2/3 WR TE would play in GB easy and upgrade their team by they know they need to use their small window during Tom Brady still playing and Mahomes still relative cheap and they used it. GB did not use it right imo

Would it be better for the Packers to have not signed Bakhtiari to a $22M contract (highest ever for a LT) and instead spent on the skill positions? Rodgers enjoys arguably the best pass protection in the league.

Again, you can't have it all. He has a lot though. Arguably the best WR in football and arguably the best LT in football. Considering all that, the fact their defense is somewhere in the NFL's gigantic middle class and not at the bottom is a point worthy of praise for Green Bay's FO.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Boys is way better.

Good to know, I've been wanting to watch that.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Feel like I have been under a rock. I just looked Elliot up.

No big deal as "Elliot" hasn't been much of a star in a while. I found out by accident that she wanted to be a man. In my opinion, it's going to derail "his" career.

 

[captain stone]

Exactly and Dillon and Deguara with the picks beyond that when Dillon was the rb number 3 is not helping to win right now which you should with AR performance imo given his age

Yeah that Deguara pick was even worse than the Dalton Keene pick.

 

[captain stone]

The Boys is way better.

Underdog, the Mighty Heroes & SuperChicken sez y'all punk-ass b!tches.

 

[mgteich]

So GB GM is to blame because he doesn’t have the weapons KC does? How many other teams have those weapons?

Rodgers has a top WR, top RB, and a one of the leagues best lines. He hasn’t been playing for the JETE or the Jags.

c'mon, this is a patriots board. Surely, AR would be a failure in KC.