Path cleared for Jimmy's return? [SF trades for #3 pick]

[lancerman]

Would these Jimmy rumors be a thing if they had won Super Bowl 53?

No but I think the Niner's are of the opinion that they didn't win because Jimmy was the weak link they were covering for.

 

[Nehalem]

Would these Jimmy rumors be a thing if they had won Super Bowl 53?

Yeah. Thats what is funny in my mind.

If JimmyG makes 1 or 2 more throws in the Super Bowl then he would be a franchise QB.

last 4 years 49ers record
22-8 with Garoppolo
7-27 with anyone else.

I get the injury concerns. But if you are willing to roll the dice on that its hard to do better than Jimmy (actually pretty much impossible he has the 4th best QB win% in NFL history).

 

[lancerman]

Do we really believe the niners are going to draft a kid #3 and tell him he has no chance of starting? and promise the starting job to Jimmy G? They know who they are drafting at #3 and are going to give them every opportunity to compete to start.

So, what happens if they look good like Justin Herbert. Do you sit Jimmy G your $25million QB on the bench? Do you sit your #3 pick because you are paying a guy $25million?

How many qb's drafted as high as #3 in the past few years rode the bench their rookie season? we love to tout the idea of the rookie sitting like Rodgers behind Favre. But lately these guys come into the league ready to go. Or they are sitting behind someone like Fitzpatrick or TYrod Taylor just waiting to take over.

i dont know if theres been a recent situation where a team is paying a guy $25million who is clearly not part of their future. and having a #3 high pick sit no matter how good or ready they look

They don't know who they are drafting at 3 because they have no clue who the Jets are drafting. They likely have at least two guys in mind that they are more than happy to get.

It really doesn't matter how much they are paying Jimmy. They can get rid of him next year. The smarter move is to have Jimmy start out the gate and develop the QB and if the QB looks good they can bring him in.

Again this feels like wishful thinking because it would benefit the Pats for the Niners to just be desperate to drop Jimmy. But the reality is the Niners SHOULD have a really good team and would probably want someone like Jimmy to lead the way with the experience he has if they think they can make another 2019 run instead of betting it all this season on a rookie.

 

[moosekill]

The thing is, teams drafting in the top 5 each year usually suck. They draft a qb and start him because they don't really have an option. SF isn't like that. They have a good team with a good qb and have the ability to let their young qb learn the system. All young qb's struggle, does SF want to make their team worse this season by forcing a young qb in, when they have an in house option already there?

 

[BayAreaPatsFan]

No guarantee he's the backup for 2021. Rookies shouldn't always start year 1.

At the very best he is a "bridge quarterback", no way they gave up that much to move up if they thought Jimmy G was a starter. And yes 20+ million in cap space for a bridge quarterback (at best) isn't going to happen. There are much cheaper options out there for bridge quarterbacks than Jimmy G.

 

[lancerman]

At the very best he is a "bridge quarterback", no way they gave up that much to move up if they thought Jimmy G was a starter. And yes 20+ million in cap space for a bridge quarterback (at best) isn't going to happen. There are much cheaper options out there for bridge quarterbacks than Jimmy G.

Not if you think you can win a SB this year and your bridge QB is someone who you think can get you there because he's already proven it. Which is the situation SF is in. They also aren't tied up in longtermmoney for Jimmy so they can deal with paying him this year and moving on next year.

 

[RIpats88]

Not if you think you can win a SB this year and your bridge QB is someone who you think can get you there because he's already proven it. Which is the situation SF is in. They also aren't tied up in longtermmoney for Jimmy so they can deal with paying him this year and moving on next year.

If you believe that your Bridge QB is good enough to get you to a super bowl and win it this year then why is he your bridge QB and you are drafting a guy at #3?

the two don't make sense.

 

[Bourne Patriot]

Jimmy Garropolo is still so interesting for me even though I fully understand why so many are ready to move on from the idea.

Based on how good he looked early in his career in New England, there's a very strong chance that his failure to stay healthy has hampered his chance to ascend into the upper tier of QB's (sure, not exactly a groundbreaking statement).

If you give Jimmy a top O line and he can put together 2/3 healthy years, I think you have a win-win situation. Jimmy being healthy not only puts a competent passer on the field each week, but he gets a chance to actually improve from game manager to a QB that could elevate those around him.

Obviously that's a HUGE IF, but you can't argue with the potential for upside there. In many ways Jimmy has the boom or bust feel of a top rookie, just in a different (and more expensive) way.

 

[Ollie]

If you believe that your Bridge QB is good enough to get you to a super bowl and win it this year then why is he your bridge QB and you are drafting a guy at #3?

the two don't make sense.

Because whilst they think Jg is good enough he is made of glass

 

[Sicilian]

At the very best he is a "bridge quarterback", no way they gave up that much to move up if they thought Jimmy G was a starter. And yes 20+ million in cap space for a bridge quarterback (at best) isn't going to happen. There are much cheaper options out there for bridge quarterbacks than Jimmy G.

But then the question becomes: If we save this money this year, who is left to really spend it on? Why not keep a guy you know can help you win (even if you don't think he's the long term solution) since you can afford his salary? It's not like they need to move money to get under the cap. Sure, you could bring in an Alex Smith (who, by the way, had a worse passer rating than Newton last year, believe it or not), but you've already got a bridge QB and you're not getting a ton of impact guys with any money you save by moving Jimmy.

Now, they might want the picks they get from him, or they're really intent on throwing the kid into the fire right away, but they're not going to move him unless they feel they're getting fair value, because they have no need to.

 

[lancerman]

If you believe that your Bridge QB is good enough to get you to a super bowl and win it this year then why is he your bridge QB and you are drafting a guy at #3?

the two don't make sense.

One is for now and one is for the future. Jimmy's going into his 8th yearand he has an injury history but he could be the guy right now. It's not that complicated. Jimmy clearly isn't going to be anyone's longterm option

 

[venecol]

I don’t think he would cut Cam but he may


Ok let’s look at this the arguments are Cam didn’t have enough time in the system didn’t get the rapport with his receivers? Let’s look at last year Cam balled out for 3 weeks then crashed hard. We could look at Covid maybe it slowed him down a few tics, maybe it clouded his mind just enough to make a significant difference. Facts he seemed slower running the ball, his arm was dead this was Peyton Manning like ducks minus the accuracy. Let’s talk about him going thru his reads now I only watched the Games on tv but Cam looked like a one look read then attempt to run or we were looking at negative plays.
Now is this due to Indecison to what he saw? Lack of trust in receivers? Not understanding the routes of the offense or the defense fooling
Him? Cam balled out the last game of the season against the Jets but the Jets knew there coach was fired they played and looked flat and unprepared. Couple that with the Patriots being motivated to finish strong. We saw the best of Cam that game.
So which Cam do we have for next season? Nobody can doubt the mans work Ethic, nobody can deny his team mates and coaches love him. But if he can’t physically get the ball where it needs to be in those win or lose situations what does it matter. If he can’t get thru his reads to find the open man what good does how many jump rope or weight lift he does? Does it matter the team loves the nicknames he gives each player if he can’t put the ball in a tight window?
Facts are after signing Cam to a very affordable deal we still have explored other QBs and keep going to the Jimmy phone to talk to Lynch. These are facts. Do Ed trust Cam to win the division? We can say we have gotten better sure but Miami is set up for the next few years with blue chip draft picks. Buff has a strong roster hitting on all cylinders. The Jets have a had a excellent offseason and are taking a Mahommes like talent in Wilson huge wild card kid could be one of the greats or BB could have him seeing Ghosts. Sales seems like a great motivator and the first head coach decision to set them up for success. If the 2020 Cam is the best that we can do then we are wasting a historic free agent frenzy. This is just my opinion.

Everything you're saying may be true, but the fact is this is only Year 2 since the GOAT QB left the team. The team probably had the worse talent of all 32 teams last year, yet still managed to win 7 games. The lack of talent has been mainly resolved (we shall see). Team is now missing a franchise QB (since I agree Cam isn't the guy). If this team goes from 12-4 w/ the GOAT to 7-9 w/ no talent + Cam, to 11-6 w/ talent + Cam, in Year 2, it would be huge progress. This, considering Bill really didn't have a "plan" for replacing the GOAT QB.

Anyone that thought, after seeing the performance last season, the team would win a SB this year is just delusional.

Patience grasshopper or you'll wake up with a fat girl and won't remember how it happened. Lmao

 

[RIpats88]

But then the question becomes: If we save this money this year, who is left to really spend it on? Why not keep a guy you know can help you win (even if you don't think he's the long term solution) since you can afford his salary? It's not like they need to move money to get under the cap. Sure, you could bring in an Alex Smith (who, by the way, had a worse passer rating than Newton last year, believe it or not), but you've already got a bridge QB and you're not getting a ton of impact guys with any money you save by moving Jimmy.

Now, they might want the picks they get from him, or they're really intent on throwing the kid into the fire right away, but they're not going to move him unless they feel they're getting fair value, because they have no need to.

But even in all these scenarios we are leaving out how Jimmy G and his agent feel. We can't treat everything in a bubble.

The risk for Jimmy killing his value in staying is much worse than going to a team where he is guaranteed to start. If the rookie takes over in training camp or during the season his career just goes in the toilet

Also the idea that he will be happy to take a pay cut and be a "bridge guy" for a team who just said we don't trust you

 

[RIpats88]

One is for now and one is for the future. Jimmy's going into his 8th yearand he has an injury history but he could be the guy right now. It's not that complicated. Jimmy clearly isn't going to be anyone's longterm option

He's 29 years old. The guy in tampa is 43 and Rodgers is 39.

If he stays healthy he could be a teams long-term option possibly.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure they can.

Just because there are a bunch of Mariotas and Davis Mills out there, it doesn't mean they are the answer.

So no qb is good enough to trade for, none are good enough to sign as free agents and none are good enough to draft.
Then why do so many other teams have good QBs? I mean it’s clear we have the worst so maybe it’s time to do something different.

 

[Ollie]

He's 29 years old. The guy in tampa is 43 and Rodgers is 39.

If he stays healthy he could be a teams long-term option possibly.

how has Jimmy G staying healthy panned out so far?

 

[manxman2601]

Yeah. Thats what is funny in my mind.

If JimmyG makes 1 or 2 more throws in the Super Bowl then he would be a franchise QB.

last 4 years 49ers record
22-8 with Garoppolo
7-27 with anyone else.

Those are stark numbers. You’d take 11-5 or 12-4 seasons on the bounce for a first rounder. The injuries are the big question marks that need to be answered and to be honest, I don’t know what the answer is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Let’s play the game : IS he worth that ? What is he worth ?

scenario : Jimmy plays at least 15 games. The team goes 12-5. Or even 11-6. New guys clicking, RBs plowing behind nice OL, playoffs come and they hit their peak. They get to the AFCCG vs KC. There, we see how it goes.

Question : is that worth #15 ? You signing up for that ?

No.

All you can do is assign value to the present player & factor in current market conditions. Assigning/arguing inflated/projected value based on a future projection increases portfolio risk. Certainly a player who is durable carries less risk than a oft-injured one like Jimmy.

If SF wants to make it conditional based on Jimmy's games played, performance, etc then that might be something I would entertain.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Jimmy's injury history is a little exaggerated and he has pretty low miles. He was here for 3.5 of his 7 seasons, where he didn't play much and had the shoulder sprain in 2016. In his 4th year he was traded mid-season, then won 5 straight games for a bad team. In his 5th year 2018, he had the ACL in game 3. In his 6th year 2019 he played 16 games, went 13-3 and went to the SB. Then last year 2020 he had a bad ankle sprain in week 6 and went on IR.

He's only 29, has started only 35 games in his career, and has had 3 assorted injuries, two of which were due to avoidable mental mistakes.

The odds are that this guy will be an effective QB for another 6-8 seasons. Plus he would hit the ground running here, no ramp-up period whatsoever. You could not ask for a better fit, all things considered, and Bill is probably willing to pay a little more than book value for him - maybe just like the Wentz deal to Indy which was a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year which escalates to a 1st based on playing time. That would dovetail with SF's draft board too, as they just traded away a 3rd in this year's draft and a 2022 1st. I'd love to get him for less, but I think this is possible.

 

[Rob0729]

If you believe that your Bridge QB is good enough to get you to a super bowl and win it this year then why is he your bridge QB and you are drafting a guy at #3?

the two don't make sense.

Because in three full years with the 49ers, Garoppolo has had season ending injuries in two of those three years. If Garoppolo was durable, they wouldn't be giving up three number ones for a potential franchise QB. Their doubts of Garoppolo may be beyond his injury concerns, but they showed they could get to and possibly even win a Super Bowl with Garoppolo.

Gambling on Garoppolo being healthy for one year to make a Super Bowl run isn't a huge risk. Making him your franchise QB in hopes he will be there year after year is though.