Which QB would you like to see the Patriots target in the draft?

[Ollie]

That move is the draft. Watson is untraceable right now. Jimmy can’t stay on the field. Even healthy Jimmy doesn’t project to be better than the guy we draft who will be on a rookie contract. Jimmy would require a first round pick as well because he can’t be relied on which damns the plan to get his 25 mill cap number down by converting it to a bonus, extending and spreading it out.
Jimmy on a low 1 year deal plus a 1st round qb? Sure. But that isn’t possible.

A healthy Jimmy is a very good QB and much better than the draft lottery. He led SF to 13-3, a superbowl and had a qb rating over 100.

 

[Ring 6]

A healthy Jimmy is a very good QB and much better than the draft lottery. He led SF to 13-3, a superbowl and had a qb rating over 100.

A healthy Jimmy may not be a thing.
There will absolutely be QBs drafted this year that are better QBs from this day forward then Jimmy.
You do realize that Jimmy wasn’t the reason the 49ers went to the SB right, but just a piece, not what separated them. Hell he threw like 4 passes in the nfccg.

As far as “very good” that’s pretty subjective.
Id put it this way. If you made all QBs free agents and let team have a qb draft Jimmy would not be in the top 20 and maybe not 25. I would consider somewhere around 8-10 to be the cut off of very good. Jimmy’s not close to that.

 

[NashuaPats]

A healthy Jimmy is a very good QB and much better than the draft lottery. He led SF to 13-3, a superbowl and had a qb rating over 100.

I don’t disagree, but I doubt Belichick would have offered Cam this job and then undermine him by signing someone like Jimmy. That would be an insult. If it was possible to attain an elite QB like R Wilson, then ok, but otherwise, no. Drafting a QB to sit behind Cam makes sense.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So going into the 2019 draft did you say, "What WR did Bill draft in the first round?" I'll wait for your reply. Whether N'Keal turned out to be what we had hoped or not is not the point. Bill drafted the wrong guy. Mistakes happen, but Bill had not drafted a WR in round 1 until 2019 so your point is useless. Bill will do whatever Bill wants.

I highly doubt it. Especially if he goes to the Jets.

BB has moved up to get players in the past. QB is a unique position. I'd bet if BB liked a QB he'd move up to get him. Which is what I think he's going to do.

I hope you are right,I absolutely love the idea of acquiring Wilson but think its next to impossible especially with the Jets involved

 

[patfanken]

I don’t disagree, but I doubt Belichick would have offered Cam this job and then undermine him by signing someone like Jimmy. That would be an insult. If it was possible to attain an elite QB like R Wilson, then ok, but otherwise, no. Drafting a QB to sit behind Cam makes sense.

BB's not going to make any QB based on Cam's feelings. The guy is here on a back ups contract and if released today would count just $3.5MM. I have no idea what Bill will do, but if can get a QB that would be an immediate improvement on our current situation, then he'll do it and Cam won't be insulted.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t disagree, but I doubt Belichick would have offered Cam this job and then undermine him by signing someone like Jimmy. That would be an insult. If it was possible to attain an elite QB like R Wilson, then ok, but otherwise, no. Drafting a QB to sit behind Cam makes sense.

Your kidding right? What job did belichick “offer” to newton? Certainly not the starting QB job since he paid him back up money and publicly communicated through the media that they were still looking at starting QBs.
Belichick is worried about winning not hurting the feelings of the backup QBs he signed that might get forced into starting if the rest of the plan fails.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Your kidding right? What job did belichick “offer” to newton? Certainly not the starting QB job since he paid him back up money and publicly communicated through the media that they were still looking at starting QBs.
Belichick is worried about winning not hurting the feelings of the backup QBs he signed that might get forced into starting if the rest of the plan fails.

by resigning newton, bb has to start him unless someone in practice clearly demonstrates they are a better option for winning than newton.

ps: stidham has already proven he is not that guy. No rookie (not named Lawrence) is going to prove he is the guy.

 

[Ring 6]

by resigning newton, bb has to start him unless someone in practice clearly demonstrates they are a better option for winning than newton.

ps: stidham has already proven he is not that guy. No rookie (not named Lawrence) is going to prove he is the guy.

He signed Newton to backup money, that doesn’t guarantee him starting.
There are many backup QBs throughly the league who could be brought in and clearly give the team a better chance of winning.
A 1st round QBs may need until October to be ready but will then be a much better option.
We are talking about the worst starting qb in the nfl, the bar to replace him is very very low.

 

[NashuaPats]

Your kidding right? What job did belichick “offer” to newton? Certainly not the starting QB job since he paid him back up money and publicly communicated through the media that they were still looking at starting QBs.
Belichick is worried about winning not hurting the feelings of the backup QBs he signed that might get forced into starting if the rest of the plan fails.

No, I’m not kidding. There is a human element involved. There is no doubt that there is an understanding between Cam and Bill. That doesn’t mean Bill won’t try to upgrade or make other plans for the future, but he’s not going to kick Cam to the curb.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

He signed Newton to backup money, that doesn’t guarantee him starting.
There are many backup QBs throughly the league who could be brought in and clearly give the team a better chance of winning.
A 1st round QBs may need until October to be ready but will then be a much better option.
We are talking about the worst starting qb in the nfl, the bar to replace him is very very low.

that is not how it works with bb. Bb will play the guy that gives him the best chance to win. The only way newton does not start is if someone proves in practice that they are the better option.

there is no qb on the roster or rookie (not named Lawrence) that is capable of beating out newton for the starting job!

 

[Ring 6]

No, I’m not kidding. There is a human element involved. There is no doubt that there is an understanding between Cam and Bill. That doesn’t mean Bill won’t try to upgrade or make other plans for the future, but he’s not going to kick Cam to the curb.

So you think that nfl teams don’t cut players when they find better ones?
Your comment was EXACTLY that BB wouldn’t “undermine” newton by bringing in another QB. Are you changing that? You also said he “offered him this job” which job do you mean.
If they have an understanding then that understanding has to be that belichick is looking to bring in a starting qb because he announced it through the media the day Newton signed.

 

[Ring 6]

that is not how it works with bb. Bb will play the guy that gives him the best chance to win. The only way newton does not start is if someone proves in practice that they are the better option.

there is no qb on the roster or rookie (not named Lawrence) that is capable of beating out newton for the starting job!

Of course jobs are won.
There are probably 20 backups that would give the patriots a better chance to win. Jimmy G gives the patriots a better chance to win.
Any first round Qb gives the patriots a better chance to win.
Newton sucks. His best case is starting for a month until the rookie is ready.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Of course jobs are won.
There are probably 20 backups that would give the patriots a better chance to win. Jimmy G gives the patriots a better chance to win.
Any first round Qb gives the patriots a better chance to win.
Newton sucks. His best case is starting for a month until the rookie is ready.

There are a ton of qb’s better than newton, but none on our roster.

the only way a rookie would start over newton is if he proves it in practice!

 

[NashuaPats]

So you think that nfl teams don’t cut players when they find better ones?
Your comment was EXACTLY that BB wouldn’t “undermine” newton by bringing in another QB. Are you changing that? You also said he “offered him this job” which job do you mean.
If they have an understanding then that understanding has to be that belichick is looking to bring in a starting qb because he announced it through the media the day Newton signed.

Wtf, dude! You are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I did not say. No to your questions. I think I made myself clear.

If Bill can add an elite veteran, he will. If he can draft an elite prospect, he will. He’s not going to replace Cam with a less accomplished veteran.

 

[Tony2046]

@KontradictioN @BaconGrundleCandy

Is there a success difference between first year mobile QBs and first year pocket passers?

 

[luuked]

Been keep saying that what I'd like to see are athletic QBs after the success we had with Cam last year. Pure pocket passers are just holdings teams back given where the NFL is going on offense.

 

[Ring 6]

Wtf, dude! You are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I did not say. No to your questions. I think I made myself clear.

If Bill can add an elite veteran, he will. If he can draft an elite prospect, he will. He’s not going to replace Cam with a less accomplished veteran.

I quoted you. You literally said he wouldn’t undermine him by signing Jimmy g.

I don’t disagree, but I doubt Belichick would have offered Cam this job and then undermine him by signing someone like Jimmy. That would be an insult. If it was possible to attain an elite QB like R Wilson, then ok, but otherwise, no. Drafting a QB to sit behind Cam makes sense.

 

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[BaconGrundleCandy]

@KontradictioN @BaconGrundleCandy

Is there a success difference between first year mobile QBs and first year pocket passers?

Interesting question and a tough one considering how success is measured. Lately I'd guess it's mobile > "pocket". I try to think of them all as QB's but I get what you're saying and differences do stand out.

I've been trying to hammer this home but today's game is full of guys that can move in some capacity or another. Whether it's scrambling, mobility in the pocket or designed runs, R/O. Most guys today can move.

Interesting though I haven't seen any charts or stats. Just going off my noodle.

 

[NashuaPats]

I quoted you. You literally said he wouldn’t undermine him by signing Jimmy g.

I don’t consider Jimmy G elite.