OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[upstater1]

This is a bizarre take. NFC has Rodgers, brady, wilson. Those 3 guys alone are better than anyone after Mahomes in the AFC. That's not taking into account guys like Matt ryan, Goff, Jimmy G who have made Superbowls and would immediately be upper QBs in the AFC

The fact the bills got demolished shows how far away they actually are. It's like when the allen iverson sixers would make it to the finals only to get destroyed by the Lakers because they didn't belong.

I would definitely not take Kyler Murray over Josh Allen.

Allen needs to develop his game but he has shown a lot this year. If he refines his game, he is the second best out there after Mahomes.

The NFC guys are all older and soon to be phased out.

I'd throw in with Watson, Allen, Herbert over ANY of the NFC guys. Trevor Lawrence to the Jags? He may be good too. Mayfield I'm not so sure about. Lamar Jackson is very interesting and could really develop but like Allen he needs refinement. I'd probably take Kyler Murray over him at this point though.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

This is a bizarre take. NFC has Rodgers, brady, wilson. Those 3 guys alone are better than anyone after Mahomes in the AFC. That's not taking into account guys like Matt ryan, Goff, Jimmy G who have made Superbowls and would immediately be upper QBs in the AFC

The fact the bills got demolished shows how far away they actually are. It's like when the allen iverson sixers would make it to the finals only to get destroyed by the Lakers because they didn't belong.

That’s my point. The competition in the AFC right now is weak.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

I would definitely not take Kyler Murray over Josh Allen.

Allen needs to develop his game but he has shown a lot this year. If he refines his game, he is the second best out there after Mahomes.

The NFC guys are all older and soon to be phased out.

I'd throw in with Watson, Allen, Herbert over ANY of the NFC guys. Trevor Lawrence to the Jags? He may be good too. Mayfield I'm not so sure about. Lamar Jackson is very interesting and could really develop but like Allen he needs refinement. I'd probably take Kyler Murray over him at this point though.

Herbert hasn’t done nothing yet. Let’s see him try and compete with mahomes. Watson had a crappy record yet his receivers where not all that bad. He could only go 4-12. That’s an indictment on him.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

The draft trades that shape tomorrow’s games are really interesting, especially how they tie in to each other and the Patriots. Imagine how different this weekend would be if the Chiefs hadn’t traded up for Mahomes in 2017.

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In 2017, the Bills held the 10th overall pick. The Saints held the 11th pick and by all accounts were going to draft Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs traded up from 27th to 10th and drafted Mahomes, in exchange for the 27th pick, the 91st pick, and a 2018 first round pick.

The Bills used the 27th pick on Tre’Davious White and next year’s first rounder on Tremaine Edmunds, two star players.

The Saints picked Marshon Lattimore at #11 after missing on Mahomes. This is thought to have nixed their interest in trading for Malcolm Butler. Butler would go on to be benched in SB52, and there’s speculation that game affected Tom Brady’s relationship with the Patriots (but hey, let’s just have fun with this and embrace the dramatic license rather than having an angry debate.) Brady later shocked the sporting world and left the Patriots. (See next.)

Since Mahomes went to the Chiefs, the Saints instead extended and committed to Drew Brees. During the 2020 offseason, Brady and the Saints were heading towards an agreement when Brees decided to play another season. Brady signed with the Bucs instead.

Meanwhile, the Bills had passed on Mahomes and had the 12th pick in the 2018 draft and needed a quarterback. The Bills traded up with the Bucs, to 6th overall, and drafted Josh Allen, in exchange for the #12 overall pick, 53rd, and 55th pick.

The Bucs used the the #12 pick to draft Vita Vea and then Carlton Davis in the second round.

Perhaps regretting missing on Mahomes, the Saints got very aggressive and traded up to obtain the #14 overall pick from the Packers to select Marcus Davenport. The Packers received the #27 overall pick and the Saints 2019 first round pick. The move had a big negative impact on the Saints and positive impact on the Packers.

The Packers packaged the #27 pick obtained from the Saints to move back into the first round and selected Jaire Alexander at #18 and Darnell Savage in the first round in 2019.

Lots of great front office moves in there and awesome draft picks... wow

The only one I'm not entirely sure on is Marcus Davenport, but every single other player that was drafted in that sweepstakes of trades is a high level player

 

[JarOfMayo51]

In the 'I can't believe what I just heard department' did you know that Brady and Rodgers are a combined 80 years old and together have won 7 rings? Are these clowns serious? That number of titles is the same as Brady and Flacco, Brady and Warner, Brady and Trent Dilfer and many more. If we break down that total by percentages then Brady has won 86% of their titles.

But why stop there?

Together this will be their 19th conference title game (14-5, 64% Brady)
Together they have 10 Conference titles (9-1, 90% Brady)
They have a combined 56 4th quarter comebacks (39-17, 70% Brady)
And they have 73 game winning drives (48-25, 66% Brady)

I don't care much for the NFC or for Aaron Rodgers and this kind of nonsense is why. Rodgers has a long way to go to be compared to Tom Brady or any other all-time great. He can start by not losing his 4th conference game in 5 attempts today. Even if he survives that he'll then have to win another SB. And if he does that he still won't be in Brady's area code.

WTF!?!

The NFL and media have been obsessed with trying to anoint Rodgers as the true GOAT... Him losing to Brady in the NFCCG is devastating for them, so now they will just try to pool his accomplishments in with Brady's lol

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The NFL and media have been obsessed with trying to anoint Rodgers as the true GOAT... Him losing to Brady in the NFCCG is devastating for them, so now they will just try to pool his accomplishments in with Brady's lol

Brady and Rodgers are playing in their 11th Super Bowl and going for their 8th ring. That combination is so incredible.

 

[1960Pats]

The NFL and media have been obsessed with trying to anoint Rodgers as the true GOAT... Him losing to Brady in the NFCCG is devastating for them, so now they will just try to pool his accomplishments in with Brady's lol

One of these days, probably after the season, I'm going to have to make a list of Brady's accomplishments and compare them to multiple winning QBs at a time. I used to do that with Bill Russell but then the NBA chased me away.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

The NFL and media have been obsessed with trying to anoint Rodgers as the true GOAT... Him losing to Brady in the NFCCG is devastating for them, so now they will just try to pool his accomplishments in with Brady's lol

I think the media is more obsessed with mahomey and the chiefs. How can someone be proclaimed the goat with one super bowl and a chance at a second? How about letting his career unfold first. It’s like a slap to brady’s career. Nothing would be sweeter to see the bucs beat this guy. The father teaching his son a lesson.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I think the media is more obsessed with mahomey and the chiefs. How can someone be proclaimed the goat with one super bowl and a chance at a second? How about letting his career unfold first. It’s like a slap to brady’s career. Nothing would be sweeter to see the bucs beat this guy. The father teaching his son a lesson.

I didn't see this posted. I laughed out loud. The tears are awesome.

Magary: Shut up about Tom Brady forever

www.sfgate.com

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I didn't see this posted. I laughed out loud. The tears are awesome.

Magary: Shut up about Tom Brady forever

www.sfgate.com

The Bucs made it to the Super Bowl playing a Washington team with a losing record, then a Saints team whose quarterback had no arm and one working lung, and then a Packers team forced to play without its best offensive lineman and without its head coach’s brainstem.

ah yes there it is

 

[PATS16N0]

I’m happy it worked out the way it did. Belichick and Kraft were lousy for trying to get rid of Gronk and Brady, but it worked out for them both, Tom especially, who destroyed all the propagandist narratives of his envious haters and cemented his legacy even further as the indisputable GOAT.

Patriot fans should be happy at what his success in Tampa does for the Patriots legacy. It proves our Dynasties were victories of men and not “systems” or laundry, or the product of a subterranean Artificial Intelligence crunching play-probability numbers. This is honestly probably the best case scenario for the legacy of our last twenty years.

A Bucs victory is your own.

 

[sb1]

I didn't see this posted. I laughed out loud. The tears are awesome.

Magary: Shut up about Tom Brady forever

www.sfgate.com

LOL. This guy has written a lot of anti-Patriots and anti-Brady columns over the years. Not sure if he's serious or a gimmick.

 

[Nehalem]

I think the media is more obsessed with mahomey and the chiefs. How can someone be proclaimed the goat with one super bowl and a chance at a second? How about letting his career unfold first. It’s like a slap to brady’s career. Nothing would be sweeter to see the bucs beat this guy. The father teaching his son a lesson.

Mahomes Career as starter first 3 years
(1) MVP, lost AFCCG in OT to current GOAT
(2) Won Super Bowl
(3) Super Bowl Appearance

Brady Career as start first 3 years
(1) Won Super Bowl
(2) 9-7 missed playoffs
(3) Won Super Bowl

If Mahomes wins the Super Bowl he has a better start to his career than the current GOAT. Even if he loses its pretty debatable.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Mahomes Career as starter first 3 years
(1) MVP, lost AFCCG in OT to current GOAT
(2) Won Super Bowl
(3) Super Bowl Appearance

Brady Career as start first 3 years
(1) Won Super Bowl
(2) 9-7 missed playoffs
(3) Won Super Bowl

If Mahomes wins the Super Bowl he has a better start to his career than the current GOAT. Even if he loses its pretty debatable.

He’s a great player no doubt and could be a threat to tommy but let’s see what happens down the road. I do wonder about his future competition. Brady had forehead manning and others. Whose gonna be mahomes’s competition? Josh Allen? He was awful. Lamar Jackson? These other QBs have to step up their game.

 

[venecol]

Mahomes Career as starter first 3 years
(1) MVP, lost AFCCG in OT to current GOAT
(2) Won Super Bowl
(3) Super Bowl Appearance

Brady Career as start first 3 years
(1) Won Super Bowl
(2) 9-7 missed playoffs
(3) Won Super Bowl

If Mahomes wins the Super Bowl he has a better start to his career than the current GOAT. Even if he loses its pretty debatable.

All this is true, he's an amazing QB. However, he plays a sport where:



God forbid, he were to get an injury like Alex Smith did and he can't come back, do you think he's a shoo in the HOF?

 

[203Pat]

I didn't see this posted. I laughed out loud. The tears are awesome.

Magary: Shut up about Tom Brady forever

www.sfgate.com

Drew Magary is such a a goof. He used to be hilarious on Kissing Suzy Kolber about 15 years ago now he writes all these pretentious articles about how people should feel about different teams and athletes. He was at Deadspin, which turned into a website devoted to nonstop woke takedown attempts of other sports sites that operated outside their little echo chamber, so naturally he fit right in. I am sure it was not an accident that the KSK website was wiped off the internet because I am sure some of his humor from back then wouldn't fly with his new plastic woke ideology.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Mahomes Career as starter first 3 years
(1) MVP, lost AFCCG in OT to current GOAT
(2) Won Super Bowl
(3) Super Bowl Appearance

Brady Career as start first 3 years
(1) Won Super Bowl
(2) 9-7 missed playoffs
(3) Won Super Bowl

If Mahomes wins the Super Bowl he has a better start to his career than the current GOAT. Even if he loses its pretty debatable.

He’s also played with imo the best offensive skill players in the league as well as the best playcaller. He’s an elite qb no doubt and him replacing Alex smith turned KC from a playoff team to a SB favorite but I still want to see how he does once Hill and Kelce are past their prime and the weapons aren’t so great.

 

[carmelo15]

He’s also played with imo the best offensive skill players in the league as well as the best playcaller. He’s an elite qb no doubt and him replacing Alex smith turned KC from a playoff team to a SB favorite but I still want to see how he does once Hill and Kelce are past their prime and the weapons aren’t so great.

Even just losing one of them

 

[skinnydog]

This is a bizarre take. NFC has Rodgers, brady, wilson. Those 3 guys alone are better than anyone after Mahomes in the AFC. That's not taking into account guys like Matt ryan, Goff, Jimmy G who have made Superbowls and would immediately be upper QBs in the AFC

The fact the bills got demolished shows how far away they actually are. It's like when the allen iverson sixers would make it to the finals only to get destroyed by the Lakers because they didn't belong.

Allen would’ve looked a lot better with a decent running game.

 

[SVN]