Deshaun Watson? (UPDATED: Caserio Says Team Has "no interest" in trading him)

[catent]

Really remarkable how someone can completely miss (ignore? twist?) an extremely important information standing right in front of them.

Watson didn't want to be consulted on who the GM hire was/is simply because he felt entitled to be involved in the process despite the lack of any established understanding that he would be. He was told that he would be by his boss ... and he was not.

QB Deshaun Watson is extremely unhappy with the organization after owner Cal McNair informed him he would be involved in the GM and coach hiring process and provide feedback… but then did neither in the hire of GM Nick Caserio, sources say.

Imagine yourself in your day-to-day job, promised something by your manager and then they do not follow-through. You'd be pissed, and rightfully so.

 

[Delicate Genius]

What kind of cap hit would they have to take? These QBs being traded 1 or 2 years into a mega-deal are crazy (Wentz will be another)... the cap damage is absurd.

Edit: According to overthecap.com it looks like it's around a $22 million cap hit just to trade him.

But only $5.4M if he's traded after June 1.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

If O'Brien was still there - think he'd take Stidham and Harry for Watson?

Unfortunately Josh McDaniels isn't the coach or GM in Houston.


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[VJCPatriot]

I'd easily give up the #15 pick for Deshaun Watson. How many of those guys in the mid 1st even have the potential to be even an average starting NFL QB? Maybe get a 3rd rounder back in return but that would be an immediate upgrade at QB for the Pats. Oh and have someone else scout/make calls on drafting WRs in the war room!!! Cos Deshaun will want at least one outside weapon and "Molasses" Harry ain't it!

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

But he sounds like a diva. You know why he is unhappy? He wanted to be consulted prior to hiring of GM. Wow.

He may be upset because the owner told him he would be involved and that wasn’t the case.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

First off I think Watson is a great talent, hard worker, and would love it if he was the Pats QB.

Now let me tell you why it is never going to happen......

It seems this all started when after annoucing the hiring of Caserio, Watson tweeted "some things never change" I would take this to mean that the Texans have once again gone to NE to get their HC, GM, or holistic spiritual guidance. Obviously Watson is not on board with the "Patriot Way" and some people think the answer to this is to demand a trade to the Patriots?? Yeah, Watson doesn't want to come here, and the Pats don't have the draft capital to get him.

It has nothing to do with the Patriots. He is a bit delusional and thinks the team should include him in their decision making process. He found about about the Hopkins trade via twitter. He was mad they didn't talk to him first. Now he's even angrier that they didn't meet with him to discuss his list of GM candidates. This was on espn.com though, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

I'd easily give up the #15 pick for Deshaun Watson. How many of those guys in the mid 1st even have the potential to be even an average starting NFL QB? Maybe get a 3rd rounder back in return but that would be an immediate upgrade at QB for the Pats. Oh and have someone else scout/make calls on drafting WRs in the war room!!! Cos Deshaun will want at least one outside weapon and "Molasses" Harry ain't it!

Any GM would. But there is absolutely no way in hell you get a top 3 QB at 25 years old for just the #15 pick, let alone get a pick back in return.

 

[varjao]

Schefter's tweet has more details, the whole situation sounds absurd. I was reading like WTF

He's a player, and he's not exactly setting the world on fire, I know he doesn't have a good team, but Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, they all had to deal with lack of talent around them at times.

The Goat never had an input on the GM, and this guy wants to pick the gm? What?

On the other hand, the Texans put themselves in this situation apparently, should never give players power like this, he can buy a team if he wants to hire people.

 

[carmelo15]

Any GM would. But there is absolutely no way in hell you get a top 3 QB at 25 years old for just the #15 pick, let alone get a pick back in return.

15 for Watson some people man

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Schefter's tweet has more details, the whole situation sounds absurd. I was reading like WTF

He's a player, and he's not exactly setting the world on fire, I know he doesn't have a good team, but Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, they all had to deal with lack of talent around them at times.

The Goat never had an input on the GM, and this guy wants to pick the gm? What?

On the other hand, the Texans put themselves in this situation apparently, should never give players power like this, he can buy a team if he wants to hire people.

I guess he was cool with them not hiring his candidates, but he at least wanted to be heard. Which, I agree is absurd. But that's what it's come down to today. It's less of an issue in the NFL because the rosters are so big. But star players basically run the NBA now. Hopefully this movement doesn't come to football.

 

[slifersd]

We don't have a roster that is ready to compete right now even with a good QB. We might as well get a bridge QB and build up the talent base first before we go HAM after a superstar QB.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

It has nothing to do with the Patriots. He is a bit delusional and thinks the team should include him in their decision making process. He found about about the Hopkins trade via twitter. He was mad they didn't talk to him first. Now he's even angrier that they didn't meet with him to discuss his list of GM candidates. This was on espn.com though, so take it with a grain of salt.

No thanks to ever getting anywhere near James Harden spoiled brat territory.

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[ausbacker]

When Watson owns a team and starts cutting checks for players and staff then he's entitled to complain, until then, STFU and play diva.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I'd do #15, 2022 & 23 1st and Gilmore for Watson. Last thing I want to do is play musical chairs with QB after QB the next few years. We have plenty of cap space coming up and still would have 8-9 picks this year. Sign Golladay or Godwin or both **** it. Both are great contested catchers and right up Watson's alley. Draft BPA with our second. Try to target a speed threat like Schwartz or juke machine in Toney, route runner in Place after that to fill out the WR corp. Golladay/Godwin, Edleman, Meyers and draft pick would look pretty good right about now. We're not depending on rookies to carry the load on offense but have some young weapons that are ready to role and have a specific role.

Watson is frustrated and has every right to be. His team is asking him to win games but traded away his best and one of his only weapons. Making dumb move after dumb more. Clearly the FO and HC aren't up to the task. The team is in worse shape than it was when he first got there. It's been a joke for a few years now tbh.

He needs competency and structure. No one would be a happy camper in Houston.

You can get your franchise QB you do it without thinking twice if you can. We'd have a top 5-7 QB and top ten OL when healthy. That's the hard part imo. I mean if we can't find a few good targets after that we need new people making those decisions.

I would be absolutely shocked if Houston dealt Watson. Maybe he's that unhappy but they'd be in an awful spot without him and those picks are must-hits now that Watson is gone. Talk about backing yourself into a corner to where you have to get rid of your best player. Oakland thought they could replace Mack with a ton of valuable picks and are struggling like hell to generate pressure. I loved Abram coming out but he looks like he belongs playing in the 90's. CF is decent but decent isn't top 5 worthy and there's been talk about him switching positions and moving inside. Jacobs worked out but now you're faced with paying a RB very soon and that's never a good thing. I love draft picks more than most, they're extremely important but proven vets > unproven prospects all day every day. Prospects aren't even players yet, just prospects.

 

[RIpats88]

Watson is already elite. Any of these rookies you get is a question mark. They could be elite, they might not. Could be a bust

You trade whatever you can for him. If Bill got this year's roster to 7 wins he could get to 10-11 with watson. QB is the most important position. Everything else is secobdary

 

[Tottie]

I think some of you are missing the point. IF he was told by ownership that he would be involved I'd be a bit baffled too. Why did they tell him that? Is that how you build trust? I would guess that's why he's upset more than anything. No player should be involved in that kind of stuff anyway so I don't know why the owner would say that. It's a dumpster fire over there. How many tweets would it take for him to force his way out...

 

[TinhWoodhead]

If O'Brien was still there - think he'd take Stidham and Harry for Watson?

bOb forgot to throw watson in the hopkins trade

 

[203Pat]

I think the diva thing may be getting overblown. Watson is your superstar QB and in the past year or so the Texans traded away his number one receiver, and one of the best in the game, for a broken down RB. They had a coach who ousted everyone in a power struggle then got ousted by a guy he brought in in another power struggle. Then there is a complete mess at the top of the organization where no one really knows who was in charge and ownership apparently reached out to him and basically said we will keep you in the loop and then didn't bother and hired a guy anyways.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

I'd do #15, 2022 & 23 1st and Gilmore for Watson. Last thing I want to do is play musical chairs with QB after QB the next few years. We have plenty of cap space coming up and still would have 8-9 picks this year. Sign Golladay or Godwin or both **** it. Both are great contested catchers and right up Watson's alley. Draft BPA with our second. Try to target a speed threat like Schwartz or juke machine in Toney, route runner in Place after that to fill out the WR corp. Golladay/Godwin, Edleman, Meyers and draft pick would look pretty good right about now. We're not depending on rookies to carry the load on offense but have some young weapons that are ready to role and have a specific role.

Watson is frustrated and has every right to be. His team is asking him to win games but traded away his best and one of his only weapons. Making dumb move after dumb more. Clearly the FO and HC aren't up to the task. The team is in worse shape than it was when he first got there. It's been a joke for a few years now tbh.

He needs competency and structure. No one would be a happy camper in Houston.

You can get your franchise QB you do it without thinking twice if you can. We'd have a top 5-7 QB and top ten OL when healthy. That's the hard part imo. I mean if we can't find a few good targets after that we need new people making those decisions.

I would be absolutely shocked if Houston dealt Watson. Maybe he's that unhappy but they'd be in an awful spot without him and those picks are must-hits now that Watson is gone. Talk about backing yourself into a corner to where you have to get rid of your best player. Oakland thought they could replace Mack with a ton of valuable picks and are struggling like hell to generate pressure. I loved Abram coming out but he looks like he belongs playing in the 90's. CF is decent but decent isn't top 5 worthy and there's been talk about him switching positions and moving inside. Jacobs worked out but now you're faced with paying a RB very soon and that's never a good thing. I love draft picks more than most, they're extremely important but proven vets > unproven prospects all day every day. Prospects aren't even players yet, just prospects.

I still don't think that would be enough. Gilmore is on the wrong side of 30, coming off an injury and is going to want a massive contract extension. He doesn't have much trade value. Throwing him into a package doesn't change that. The #15 is middle of the draft so it's value is not great and as for two first rounders, the Pats picked #15 with probably the worst offensive skill group in football. Addin a top three QB in the league would almost certainly move them into the playoffs. Therefore the picks would be in the 20s. You want to trade away one of the best QBs in the league for that? Me neither. Escpecially for a new GM. He would be run out of town before he even started. If that trade happened, guy sending his best player to his old team for peanuts, there would be an invetigation that would probably lead to a loss of draft picks and a massive fine. Tradegate. Only half joking. For the Texans to trade Watson things would have to get a lot worse between him and the team. And even then I think they could find a much better offer. This would be like the Pats putting Brady on the open market 12 years ago. Or the Colts doing so with Manning in his prime.

There might be teams that could get this done, but we are not one of them at #15. Maybe if the Jags called up and offered Trevor Lawrence, a few first round picks and a couple of good young players.. But I don't think that would make a lot of sense for them either. Teams fall into two categories right now with respect to a trade for Watson: Teams, like us, that don't have the assets, or, teams that do have the assets but wont do the the trade because it is prohibitively expensive. He's not going anywhere. That could change. But probably not anytime soon. Maybe in 2024 or 2025 when he is pushing 30 and it's obvious he is not going to reup, maybe then he gets traded and the asking price is much more reasonable. But any time in the next year or so, Watson moving is a pipe dream. We may as well talk about trading for Mahomes.

And as long as Brady is in Tampa they are in win now mode. They are not going to let Godwin walk.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Now I'm hearing that prior to this the Texans told him they would include him in these things in the future. So they lied to him. It mkes a lot more sense that he's mad. I don't blame him for bring angry.