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Some changes I’ve noticed over the last 6 quarters or so:
  • Brady getting rid of the ball much quicker and not read/reacting for three seconds; also moving more in pocket by design...seems to be anticipating pressure and semi-scrambling rather than expecting to stand tall.
  • Brate emerging as middle of field target...his emergence has been key. Brady trusts him.
  • Evans running variety of routes with goal to get him the ball in space, rather than force feeding him the ball on deep passes (this is the biggest reason for improvement.)
  • Godwin running a lot more inside routes. He is doing what the Patriots wanted from Sanu and what Brady likes from receivers. AB on the outside is giving Godwin some favorable matchups on the inside.
  • Ronald Jones (thankfully) out of lineup, as he is a horrendous pass catcher and pass blocker. Fournette an improvement but Vaughn is a huge improvement. Vaughn should be in for every passing down.
  • Lots of different personnel groupings rather than that stupid 2-WR, 2-TE heavy package that Arians likes. Also personnel groupings aren’t matched by down/distance in asinine way like before (every first down was heavy with Brady under center and Jones; every third and long was a spread.)
  • Offense is shifting from an “outside-in” approach of looking for deep plays to open up playbook and instead to “inside-out” approach of slants, middle of field routes, quick outs, etc. to open up the over the top plays.
  • Main thing is Brady seems a lot more confortable; the tempo is faster and he is a lot more decisive. Seems like he’s figuring it out pre-snap and knows where his guys will be.
Hope this is a real philosophy shift, but I’m skeptical. I honestly think that if a lot of forum posters were calling plays, they’d be 13-3. The stupidity of Arians and Leftwich is really baffling.

I don’t even think the offensive line is the problem; they’ve allowed sacks/pressures similar to Patriots teams. Problems have arisen from solid pass rushes (New Orleans, LAR, Chicago) where, in New England, those pass rushes cause the same problems. The difference is that the Patriots were prepared to handle them with quick passes and misdirections and set blocking schemes accordingly.

We’ll see how Tampa will do against a good defensive front; they seem to be a lot more cohesive now, but it doesn’t mean anything until tested in a real battle.
 
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I think the Bucs are getting to the Super Bowl and have a good shot at winning it. I didn’t believe it earlier in the season - maybe didn’t want to either - but the way they’re playing in the last 3 games is the look of a team that is about to make a very deep playoff run. Buckle up.
 
Some changes I’ve noticed over the last 6 quarters or so:
  • Brady getting rid of the ball much quicker and not read/reacting for three seconds; also moving more in pocket by design...seems to be anticipating pressure and semi-scrambling rather than expecting to stand tall.
  • Brate emerging as middle of field target...his emergence has been key. Brady trusts him.
  • Evans running variety of routes with goal to get him the ball in space, rather than force feeding him the ball on deep passes (this is the biggest reason for improvement.)
  • Godwin running a lot more inside routes. He is doing what the Patriots wanted from Sanu and what Brady likes from receivers. AB on the outside is giving Godwin some favorable matchups on the inside.
  • Ronald Jones (thankfully) out of lineup, as he is a horrendous pass catcher and pass blocker. Fournette an improvement but Vaughn is a huge improvement. Vaughn should be in for every passing down.
  • Lots of different personnel groupings rather than that stupid 2-WR, 2-TE heavy package that Arians likes. Also personnel groupings aren’t matched by down/distance in asinine way like before (every first down was heavy with Brady under center and Jones; every third and long was a spread.)
  • Offense is shifting from an “outside-in” approach of looking for deep plays to open up playbook and instead to “inside-out” approach of slants, middle of field routes, quick outs, etc. to open up the over the top plays.
  • Main thing is Brady seems a lot more confortable; the tempo is faster and he is a lot more decisive. Seems like he’s figuring it out pre-snap and knows where his guys will be.
Hope this is a real philosophy shift, but I’m skeptical. I honestly think that if a lot of forum posters were calling plays, they’d be 13-3. The stupidity of Arians and Leftwich is really baffling.

I don’t even think the offensive line is the problem; they’ve allowed sacks/pressures similar to Patriots teams. Problems have arisen from solid pass rushes (New Orleans, LAR, Chicago) where, in New England, those pass rushes cause the same problems. The difference is that the Patriots were prepared to handle them with quick passes and misdirections and set blocking schemes accordingly.

We’ll see how Tampa will do against a good defensive front; they seem to be a lot more cohesive now, but it doesn’t mean anything until tested in a real battle.

Ali Marpet also returned to the lineup week 14. He's an all-pro and hasn't allowed a pressure in the 3 games since. Pair that with the changes on offense & Tom is looking more comfortable.
 
If Bruce and Leftwich actually listen to Brady instead of being stubborn they have a great chance to win it. No one can stop that team if they just run a Patriots type offense. Godwin on the inside, Evans and Brown on the outside, Gronk down the seam. Marpet and Wirfs are All-Pro caliber on the offensive line
 
Some changes I’ve noticed over the last 6 quarters or so:
  • Brady getting rid of the ball much quicker and not read/reacting for three seconds; also moving more in pocket by design...seems to be anticipating pressure and semi-scrambling rather than expecting to stand tall.
  • Brate emerging as middle of field target...his emergence has been key. Brady trusts him.
  • Evans running variety of routes with goal to get him the ball in space, rather than force feeding him the ball on deep passes (this is the biggest reason for improvement.)
  • Godwin running a lot more inside routes. He is doing what the Patriots wanted from Sanu and what Brady likes from receivers. AB on the outside is giving Godwin some favorable matchups on the inside.
  • Ronald Jones (thankfully) out of lineup, as he is a horrendous pass catcher and pass blocker. Fournette an improvement but Vaughn is a huge improvement. Vaughn should be in for every passing down.
  • Lots of different personnel groupings rather than that stupid 2-WR, 2-TE heavy package that Arians likes. Also personnel groupings aren’t matched by down/distance in asinine way like before (every first down was heavy with Brady under center and Jones; every third and long was a spread.)
  • Offense is shifting from an “outside-in” approach of looking for deep plays to open up playbook and instead to “inside-out” approach of slants, middle of field routes, quick outs, etc. to open up the over the top plays.
  • Main thing is Brady seems a lot more confortable; the tempo is faster and he is a lot more decisive. Seems like he’s figuring it out pre-snap and knows where his guys will be.
Hope this is a real philosophy shift, but I’m skeptical. I honestly think that if a lot of forum posters were calling plays, they’d be 13-3. The stupidity of Arians and Leftwich is really baffling.

I don’t even think the offensive line is the problem; they’ve allowed sacks/pressures similar to Patriots teams. Problems have arisen from solid pass rushes (New Orleans, LAR, Chicago) where, in New England, those pass rushes cause the same problems. The difference is that the Patriots were prepared to handle them with quick passes and misdirections and set blocking schemes accordingly.

We’ll see how Tampa will do against a good defensive front; they seem to be a lot more cohesive now, but it doesn’t mean anything until tested in a real battle.

The Bucs do need an OL coach though. I've never seen this style of just straight ahead take on your man and the RB runs into a pile of 10 guys. Switch it up! You rarely see a hole for these Tampa RBs.
 
I think the Bucs are getting to the Super Bowl and have a good shot at winning it. I didn’t believe it earlier in the season - maybe didn’t want to either - but the way they’re playing in the last 3 games is the look of a team that is about to make a very deep playoff run. Buckle up.
I think they have a shot, but winning in GB or NO will be tough. I think they get through the WC round but after that the odds aren’t in their favour.
 
I know it was. What you posted was this...



...to which I asked who here has said that? Nobody. I also agreed with you and went rounds with Deus Irae in the offseason about this very subject. So why are you posting some pious football platitudes (you may need to Google that one) about something that is not going to happen here? As for the rest of your post? You think that was an insult? Let me give you a little perspective, then. If you consider my response to you an “insult,” it might be time to shove a battery-operated bildo up that vagina of yours, give yourself a good squirt all over your torn flower love seat from 1976, and chill out. Hard to believe a supposed grown ass man considers that an “insult.” You’re as soft as sponge cake. That’s an insult. The previous response was a legitimate question of the rhetorical variety. Now, take a seat and let the men talk.
Good response AH
 
Ali Marpet also returned to the lineup week 14. He's an all-pro and hasn't allowed a pressure in the 3 games since. Pair that with the changes on offense & Tom is looking more comfortable.

there struggles also happened when Marley went down to go along playing elite teams
 
I think they have a shot, but winning in GB or NO will be tough. I think they get through the WC round but after that the odds aren’t in their favour.
If NOLA gets bounced I put the Bucs as NFC Champs. I like their chances vs anyone else. Assuming they can get past the NFC East. The Bucs best bet is facing DAL.

Brady would light that D up. WAS even with no QB, is not someone I would want to play. That pass rush can cause fits.
 
If Bruce and Leftwich actually listen to Brady instead of being stubborn they have a great chance to win it. No one can stop that team if they just run a Patriots type offense. Godwin on the inside, Evans and Brown on the outside, Gronk down the seam. Marpet and Wirfs are All-Pro caliber on the offensive line

I said it right from the beginning, a long time ago- the biggest obstacle to this team is Arians, and secondarily, Braindead Leftwich, and Toilet Bowles.
 
I guess the Pat's have packed it in for the season.

It sure seems like Brady had the foresight to see the direction the Pat's were going with 7 consecutive years of bad drafting in the top 3 rounds.

Last year the Pats started overall as very good but not elite. But after halfway through the season the wheels started to fall off and the team was barely a contender by the end of the season. It seems Brady had a reason to be grumbling all along.

This year it was very much the same except the Pat's started out as average. Midway through the season they started again to fall apart this time to a bottom dweller type team.

It sure looks like the Pat's will have to go into a complete rebuild.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Jules or White go to TB as they will be affordable compared to Godwin. I don't think they'll be able to pay him since Evan's is already being paid.
 
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I guess the Pat's have packed it in for the season.

It sure seems like Brady had the foresight to see the direction the Pat's were going with 7 consecutive years of bad drafting in the top 3 rounds.

Last year the Pats started overall as very good but not elite. But after halfway through the season the wheels started to fall off and the team was barely a contender by the end of the season. It seems Brady had a reason to be grumbling all along.

This year it was very much the same except the Pat's started out as average. Midway through the season they started again to fall apart this time to a bottom dweller type team.

It sure looks like the Pat's will have to go into a complete rebuild.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Jules or White go to TB as they will be affordable compared to Godwin. I don't think they'll be able to pay him since Evan's is already being paid.

I brought that up earlier and got laughed at. Why pay Godwin when you have evans can’t pay two WR like that and compete. They can just keep AB sign Edelman for cheap the patriot way but it’ll be in the south.
 
Congratulations all!!!!!!!!!!!

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Way to go! - Each and every one of you should be very proud of your determination, contribution and perseverance.

Carry on.

Since you brought it up, which is Bill's biggest mistake? Sitting Butler in the 2017 SB or letting Brady walk? Maybe that can be another thread.
 
I brought that up earlier and got laughed at. Why pay Godwin when you have evans can’t pay two WR like that and compete. They can just keep AB sign Edelman for cheap the patriot way but it’ll be in the south.

AB is a disaster waiting to happen. If it's AB or Godwin you pay Godwin.

It's one thing for AB to stay put of trouble for half a season with his career on the line. It's another once he gets that big payday. What is brady gonna do have him stay in his house forever?
 
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