Bench Newton!

[lancerman]

Or, there's a pandemic and the very important concept of context needs to be applied.

Why is it you people remove the idea there is a pandemic, which means the deck has changed comparable to everything else? I am not going into politics here, but this means you have poor critical thinking skills.

Do you honestly believe if BB didn't like Stidham's progress in February, he simply ignored signing a veteran QB with Hoyer? Why didn't he do it? He's a guy who is pretty thorough. Hmm. He also could have traded for one.

This idea that BB become senile knowing he was going to walk from Brady pre 2019 draft, get a QB, really like that QB after he breaks all Pats QB preseason records, enough to impress to only keep him as the lone back up, is absolutely bizarre.

The pandemic has nothing to do with where we are at QB. The Colts were able to sign Phillip Rivers in the off season and got an answer to QB one year after Luck ditched them in the pre season. Blame cap space more than anything else. If anything, if we knew there would be Covid opt outs we would have signed a QB for more money. It actually helped us on that front.

See the difference between you and me is that I don’t think Belichick’s senile. You have to start from an argument where you already disagree with his decisions (Stidham starting) and then need to work backwards to make excuses for it because that’s the only way you can reconcile a disagreement with his current actions and not looking bad for trashing the coach (some people here on the Stidham bandwagon have already flirted with the idea that Belichick was losing it or might not be the right guy).

I on the other hand think he made the most logical decision every step of the way and is currently doing so. He had very poor cap space after several years of chasing titles, Brady left, he could not afford a QB that made sense cap wise. Stidham just happened to be here. The only QB’s worth anything were taken well above us and Jordan Love was a second round pick at best that the Packers reached on. Then finally Cam who was a huge question mark because of his injury was just too cheap to pass up. He came in and he was easily better than Stidham and boosted team morale. He was inconsistent during the season showing some real bright spots and low points. Stidham got to play when Cam got Covid, when Can led a blow out, and when the team was getting blown out against SF and LA. He ranged from a abysmal to pedestrian and there was no reason to make a move for Belichick. Pretty simple really.

Of course this doesn’t work if you have a preposterous viewpoint of “Stidham is CLEARLY better” because then you have to think Bill is making a horrible decision and you know better.

 

[203Pat]

But, this would mean the argument that Newton has no one to play with applies to Stidham. LOL

I'd laugh, but the mental moron gymnastics routine is just so sad.

So, why would a 2nd year QB, who has never played a game with the 1s, all of a sudden have a rapport off the bench? Which QB would look good doing this? The logic is stupefying. When Brady was being suspended, BB had tons of time to get his 2nd year QB ready, taking the reps, with Gronk and Edelman. Nuff said.

Why do people know why Brady didn't want to lose reps if dinged up during a week of practice? Because he knew he might look worse!

How do you pretend apples to oranges and treat your audience like idiots and expect to get clicks? Again, sad. Quick! Someone post a Tanguay story with a Felger recap!

Tom Curran has turned into an authorized troll in the last 2 years by NBC orders to go after BB, which is why he's been doing this. He failed to report on Brady's antics last year, as has Reiss, so they start slowly framing. Neither one ever acknowledged how bad Brady was in the 2007 and 2011 postseasons, so it's clear each person has some kind of a personal relationship with Brady. I know a person and actually multiple people who work in the industry who know how this garbage works, not that it's hard to figure out.

Country hates BB, money to be made. Translation? Bash BB at all costs$.

Stidham clearly looks way better than Newton has looked in multiple YEARS, when he plays. How about he plays with the 1s? How about a gameplan or playing successive games? Weird. A guy looks who looks the part can't handle the idea he might be Brady's successor. Whoops! Was the truth told? When you're that far behind, defenses know it's going to be passing and the idea he's not in there to hand off. I think he looks good and needs reps to get chemistry. I don't buy the analysis. The ball is out, he's accurate and he has all the skills to at least be given a shot to be coached up. This attack on a recent draft pick who isn't allowed to play is disgusting.

People all over the country cannot figure out why Boston fans hate their own players, and this is before the even play. So weird.

So which beat guy are you?

 

[captain stone]

So which beat guy are you?

My money's on one of Bill's kids.

 

[RIpats88]

All I know is with all this cap space bill better go shopping next year and inject talent into this team.

Gone are the days of being cheap and lowballing players. That worked when guys would take abit less to play with Brady and he could cover up warts on the roster.

If they go into the offseason expecting to go bargain basement shopping they will get bargain basement production

 

[sb1]

The pandemic has nothing to do with where we are at QB. The Colts were able to sign Phillip Rivers in the off season and got an answer to QB one year after Luck ditched them in the pre season. Blame cap space more than anything else. If anything, if we knew there would be Covid opt outs we would have signed a QB for more money. It actually helped us on that front.

See the difference between you and me is that I don’t think Belichick’s senile. You have to start from an argument where you already disagree with his decisions (Stidham starting) and then need to work backwards to make excuses for it because that’s the only way you can reconcile a disagreement with his current actions and not looking bad for trashing the coach (some people here on the Stidham bandwagon have already flirted with the idea that Belichick was losing it or might not be the right guy).

I on the other hand think he made the most logical decision every step of the way and is currently doing so. He had very poor cap space after several years of chasing titles, Brady left, he could not afford a QB that made sense cap wise. Stidham just happened to be here. The only QB’s worth anything were taken well above us and Jordan Love was a second round pick at best that the Packers reached on. Then finally Cam who was a huge question mark because of his injury was just too cheap to pass up. He came in and he was easily better than Stidham and boosted team morale. He was inconsistent during the season showing some real bright spots and low points. Stidham got to play when Cam got Covid, when Can led a blow out, and when the team was getting blown out against SF and LA. He ranged from a abysmal to pedestrian and there was no reason to make a move for Belichick. Pretty simple really.

Of course this doesn’t work if you have a preposterous viewpoint of “Stidham is CLEARLY better” because then you have to think Bill is making a horrible decision and you know better.

I love the logic that a QB who has a career 51 passer rating all playing in garbage time is "CLEARLY" better than the starter.

Mariota did all right last night. Dropping dimes for TDs. Had just as many passing yards as Stidham has had his entire career with the Pats. Better completion %, better rating. I thought he looked good running too.

And he never worked with the starters. So weird how that didn't seem to be a problem for him.

 

[borg]

All I know is with all this cap space bill better go shopping next year and inject talent into this team.

Gone are the days of being cheap and lowballing players. That worked when guys would take abit less to play with Brady and he could cover up warts on the roster.

If they go into the offseason expecting to go bargain basement shopping they will get bargain basement production

Bill may be the front man....but Robert is in charge of the purse.
And his priorities of late have been monogrammed planes, Chinese masks, group trips to the homeland, handies, lawyers, a PR reboot, and the stadium mortgage

 

[sb1]

“Jarrett has worked hard. He’s tried to take advantage of his opportunities..”
- BB on Stiddy

That's not exactly a rousing endorsement. IIRC he said something similar about Tebow when he was here.

I trust Bill's opinion on this. I don't need to see this guy start. He is not long for this team.

 

[RIpats88]

Bill may be the front man....but Robert is in charge of the purse.
And his priorities of late have been monogrammed planes, Chinese masks, group trips to the homeland, handies, lawyers, a PR reboot, and the stadium mortgage

Idk how accurate it is but sports media was saying Patriots have spent(real money) the least in the league the last couple years.

That's okay when you have the GOAT qb to cover up weaknesses. But without that it's not a winning formula

 

[Twentytothree]

Idk how accurate it is but sports media was saying Patriots have spent(real money) the least in the league the last couple years.

That's okay when you have the GOAT qb to cover up weaknesses. But without that it's not a winning formula

For 2016-2019, from NFL insider notes: Cowboys have spent the least on payroll since 2016, why cash trumps cap, new CBA and more :

Bottom 7, average was $703M
>>>
Cowboys: $634,379,000
Texans: $646,479,000
Bills: $648,442,000
Colts: $654,999,000
Chargers: $658,299,000
Ravens: $678,220,000
Browns: $687,708,000
<<<
There are other estimates for different recent time periods out there - none of them, other than 2020, have the Patriots at the bottom. I don't think 2020 needs an explanation.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Idk how accurate it is but sports media was saying Patriots have spent(real money) the least in the league the last couple years.

That's okay when you have the GOAT qb to cover up weaknesses. But without that it's not a winning formula

The way NFL contracts are structured "real money" is meaningless. If you look at the salary cap number every year that is how much the team spent per year. The "real money" might be paid upfront due to the contract terms and averaged over years to come. LTBE incentives are paid a year late. So the salary cap shows how much is spent every year even if the cash is paid at different times. That is why a salary cap exists - to show how much a team pays out every year. If you don't understand this you might read up on it. You might notice that Felger stopped saying the "cap is crap" because it isnt.

 

[amfootball]

The way NFL contracts are structured "real money" is meaningless. If you look at the salary cap number every year that is how much the team spent per year. The "real money" might be paid upfront due to the contract terms and averaged over years to come. LTBE incentives are paid a year late. So the salary cap shows how much is spent every year even if the cash is paid at different times. That is why a salary cap exists - to show how much a team pays out every year. If you don't understand this you might read up on it. You might notice that Felger stopped saying the "cap is crap" because it isnt.

Felger still says it. Easily his worst take and that is saying something for him.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Felger still says it. Easily his worst take and that is saying something for him.

Agreed, and I do not hear him say it anymore but I am an occasional listener so maybe I miss it - he used to constantly say it.

The salary cap is actually quite clever in that it allows the players to structure their contracts in various ways and holds the owners accountable to hit a minimum payroll number to ensure the players are getting paid. I do not know every detail like Miguel but appreciate the effort that went into figuring out the salary cap rules so the players receive their money and hold the owners accountable.

 

[RIpats88]

Felger still says it. Easily his worst take and that is saying something for him.

Yeah it definitely is. If the cap truly is "crap" we wouldn't see teams like the Seahawks legion of boom break up. Or the situation the saints are about to be in.

Even the Chiefs bill will come due eventually for all the guys they pay

 

[Taxed in Maine]

The enthusiasm some have for a 4th round draft pick QB who will very likely be out of the league in a couple of years. Lol.

Cam will start these last 3 games. I want to see a strong finish and Bill to see if he's worth keeping as our bridge for another year. Or if the Pats should sign another bridge QB and try to move up to take a top QB prospect who will be the next great Patriots QB.

Getting back to the playoffs might not happen in one offseason, I think it might take two. We'll see.

My money is that Stid is in the league longer than Scam at this point.
Scam wil be lucky to get a vet min backup contract from the Jags.

 

[NCPATSFAN1971]

We have 12 games of evidence that show than Cam Newton isn’t even worth playing on any team next year but you need 3 more games to see it.

And you criticize everybody who want to see a 4th round pick throw more than 33 passes.

33 passes is enough for you to judge a rookie but 12 games isn’t to evaluate Cam worth. You are completely lacking any credibility.

A lot of good comments about whether Cam should be benched or not. It's tough to say BB is wrong and he is saying that Cam gives us the best chance to win. I'm only a die hard Pat's fan so WDIK? However after 50 years of following this team, this is the first time in a very long time that I don't think the team's chances of winning a game - any game is good. Let's take this weeks game against Miami. Playing in Miami has always been difficult even with a solid team behind Brady. Now let's add Cam's seemingly lack of pocket awareness, his inaccuracy especially on short passes, and throw in a defense that has been spotty. Not good. I always try to remain positive when it comes to the Pats and will always root for them to win. We can argue whether on not Stidham should be playing. But I would argue that Cam is hopefully not going to be our QB of the future because right now IMO, he ranks right down there with Joe Kapp, Marc Wilson, Tommy Hodson, and Hugh Millen. I also always hope that I'm wrong and things work out somehow but . . .

 

[sb1]

My money is that Stid is in the league longer than Scam at this point.
Scam wil be lucky to get a vet min backup contract from the Jags.

Unless someone better becomes available I think there's a decent chance they keep Cam in 2021 on another very short term prove-it-again deal with more normalcy in the league and with better talent around him.

As for Stid, I think he'd make a good Toronto Argonaut someday. That's more at his level.

 

[lancerman]

Unless someone better becomes available I think there's a decent chance they keep Cam in 2021 on another very short term prove-it-again deal with more normalcy in the league and with better talent around him.

As for Stid, I think he'd make a good Toronto Argonaut someday. That's more at his level.

I think there is a very good chance that if we draft a young QB or pick up a hopeful in free agency Bill will still want a vet for cheap money who knows the system as a back up. Right now the two that fit that Bill the most are Cam and Brissett (Hoyer shouldn’t be in the league imo). Cam may be the cheaper option.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

How about Stafford?

 

[PatsRebuild]

Yeah it definitely is. If the cap truly is "crap" we wouldn't see teams like the Seahawks legion of boom break up. Or the situation the saints are about to be in.

Even the Chiefs bill will come due eventually for all the guys they pay

Yep. Chiefs are in serious trouble in 2021 and probably beyond. Mahomes gets 29 mil next year and then it's 40 per from then on out. Ouch. As great he is, people assume that team will always be there, and they won't for that reason. That's a very high number.

All these supposed Paper Tiger dynasties did the same thing:

NOs
GB
Baltimore
Seattle
Philly

All those teams won and then tried to win another by hanging onto the same, older dudes who they won the first one. When Carroll/Schneider paid both Chancellor and Earl Thomas a the same time at the same position, I figured they were cooked, and they were. They were still good, but the bloated contracts all caught to them. Baldwin, too. He makes like 12 per year. He's good, but he's not a 12-14 per year WR. That's ridiculous. He's an 8 mil per year type a guy.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Unless someone better becomes available I think there's a decent chance they keep Cam in 2021 on another very short term prove-it-again deal with more normalcy in the league and with better talent around him.

As for Stid, I think he'd make a good Toronto Argonaut someday. That's more at his level.

You're insane. If BB tags Newton at 25 mil per, I will personally drive to Foxborough and ask for BB's resignation.