Bench Newton!

[Tony2046]

Andy perhaps you don’t understand.... I went out of my way to avoid talking to you for a year and the only reason we are talking is because you made a new account.

But it’s a relief that you don’t like me because it’s so mutual. Haha my bad I got confused because when I posted that I put you on ignore a few months ago the mods told me stop because you were getting upset about it. But thanks for clearing that up. It makes me feel a lot better. And now I don’t need to expect that you will report it again because you are upset and the mods won’t have to tell me to lay off because they feel bad for you.

Seriously Andy did you think at any point in YET ANOTHER delusional rant that I thought you did anything but try to ****post and validate yourself? I’ve been saying this for years. Do you know how many people are having a laugh at you right now? But thanks for confirming to me that you are delusional and pretentious enough to try to make some nonsensical point with your posting behavior that ran you off to a new account. At least you are self aware and we can stop pretending you are the victim you always like to play as.

Thank you so much. I already screen shotted this and am excited for the new material you provided

Andy or Ring6 is a unique character in our forum. He can be argumentative to the N'th degree but he also can provide some exceptional football insight especially with defensive schemes. I've learned a lot from him over the years. Attacking him for his name change is weak sauce and most likely ego driven. I will never be on board with that crap.

 

[Clonamery]

Andy or Ring6 is a unique character in our forum. He can be argumentative to the N'th degree but he also can provide some exceptional football insight especially with defensive schemes. I've learned a lot from him over the years. Attacking him for his name change is weak sauce and most likely ego driven. I will never be on board with that crap.

Used to be informative. Now, fake news.

 

[1960Pats]

I really think it is because Cam is playing for a million bucks and Bill feels loyalty to him for that.

So you think Bill's loyal to Cam for playing for less or is it about incentives that Cam can earn? I don't like either of those options because Bill's claim has always been to "do what's best for the team, T.E.A.M. team"

 

[1960Pats]

Since the name came up here I decided to see the comparisons between Tim Tebow's career and Cam Newton while here. Their stats are very similar.

Record - Tim 8-6, Cam 6-6
Comp % - Tim 48%, Cam 66% (the best of his career)
Passing TDs to INTs - Tim 17-9, Cam 5-10
Rushing TDs - Tim 12, Cam 11
4QCs - Tim 6, Cam 1
GWDs - Tim 6, Cam 2

Looking at those numbers a case could be made that we'd be better off with Tebow level QBing

 

[amfootball]

So you think Bill's loyal to Cam for playing for less or is it about incentives that Cam can earn? I don't like either of those options because Bill's claim has always been to "do what's best for the team, T.E.A.M. team"

Bill saying he does things for the TEAM is a bunch of hogwash. He is just like any other GM/HC, he covers himself first. Why do you think Harry keeps getting chance after chance? Because he was a first round pick. I do think he feels loyalty to Cam for playing on basically a vet min deal with incentives he has no chance of reaching unless throwing the most picks was one of them.

 

[amfootball]

Firstly I think he fell off his chair once it became official Brady was headed to Tampa Bay. I'm sure he thought Brady would just sign whatever horseshit contract he was being offered by NE. Secondly I think he literally sat around doing nothing about the quarterback position until Cam was the last man standing. It's inexplicable really. Cam is clearly spent as a passer and his only genuine worth is an occasional burst between the tackles at the goal line (which is resulting in diminishing returns since it's obvious by now that they're afraid to throw it in the red zone).

But to answer your question directly, I think Belichick miscalculated Brady's intent to leave town and then he royally ****ed up plan B.

Agree 100% with this post and your following one about when Bill drafted Jimmy G. Bill figured Brady would take crap deals forever and when he didn't this time, Bill was left with nothing because he did nothing at the QB spot for 3 seasons after he traded Jimmy. He must have thought he had plenty of time as Brady would just take cheap one year deals forever buying him time to find the next guy until Brady up and left for a team that actually paid him and got him a great roster to work with and then added his guys to that roster. I would imagine Brady wakes up happy as a clam every day in that Florida sunshine while sipping his avocado juice watching the fire dumpster we have at QB this season.

 

[Thelonious]

Let's not overthink this or waste time in p----g contests.

Cam blows. That's obvious, right? We're talking metaphysical certainty here. He blows.

Stidham might blow. We don't know. So find out, fer crissakes. Give him a shot with full prep under a game plan adaped to this presumed or hoped-for abilities.

I know. Cam is a well-spoken, interesting guy. I'm sure he's fun to be around.

So what? Who cares? It's irrelevant.

I know. It's a little comforting to have a black athletic star in a town accused from time to time by this or that breathlessly woke celebrity of being racist. Whatever. Has nothing to do with football. Keep your eye on the ball here. It's irrelevant.

 

[Thelonious]

Dumb. But we're used to your "brilliant" opinions.

Gosh, thanks. It's nice from time to time to be appreciated for one's brilliance. Thanks for for being emotionally open and willing to share. I am moved.

 

[sb1]

Let's not overthink this or waste time in p----g contests.

Cam blows. That's obvious, right? We're talking metaphysical certainty here. He blows.

Stidham might blow. We don't know. So find out, fer crissakes. Give him a shot with full prep under a game plan adaped to this presumed or hoped-for abilities.

I know. Cam is a well-spoken, interesting guy. I'm sure he's fun to be around.

So what? Who cares? It's irrelevant.

I know. It's a little comforting to have a black athletic star in a town accused from time to time by this or that breathlessly woke celebrity of being racist. Whatever. Has nothing to do with football. Keep your eye on the ball here. It's irrelevant.

No thanks seen enough of Stid. Not an NFL QB.

 

[RIpats88]

No, Jimmy G wasn't a factor this off-season, obviously. But since you brought him up, when Belichick first had designs on JG supplanting Brady, that also was a massive miscalculation because Brady still had plenty of elite quarterbacking left in him. The returns on Brady only started diminishing as Belichick was unwittingly emptying out the cupboard. Had Belichick just trusted Brady, and surrounded him with an adequate supporting cast, they would be cruising to another division title with a 12-4 record. The point being, no matter how you frame the argument, Belichick is responsible for this season ultimately being a fail.

Well, this is true. Bill refused to pay anyone on offense and his poor drafting lead the team to where it is today, and lead it to a place where brady contemplated leaving.

If Bill does better drafting and maybe holds onto guys like amendola or trades for a stud receiver Brady probably stays

 

[RIpats88]

Idk how anyone can say there is no other reason bill is being loyal to cam. I can think of several.

 

[archstanton543]

Let's not overthink this or waste time in p----g contests.

Cam blows. That's obvious, right? We're talking metaphysical certainty here. He blows.

Stidham might blow. We don't know. So find out, fer crissakes. Give him a shot with full prep under a game plan adaped to this presumed or hoped-for abilities.

I know. Cam is a well-spoken, interesting guy. I'm sure he's fun to be around.

So what? Who cares? It's irrelevant.

I know. It's a little comforting to have a black athletic star in a town accused from time to time by this or that breathlessly woke celebrity of being racist. Whatever. Has nothing to do with football. Keep your eye on the ball here. It's irrelevant.

I think Bill is trying to do Cam a solid by letting him try to earn as much as the incentives in his contract as possible.

 

[sb1]

Bill saying he does things for the TEAM is a bunch of hogwash. He is just like any other GM/HC, he covers himself first. Why do you think Harry keeps getting chance after chance? Because he was a first round pick. I do think he feels loyalty to Cam for playing on basically a vet min deal with incentives he has no chance of reaching unless throwing the most picks was one of them.

Unfortunately I think the idea Bill does things for the team went out the door when he benched Malcolm Butler and cost us the Super Bowl wasting one of the greatest championship performances (Brady) by any athlete in sports history.

 

[amfootball]

Well, this is true. Bill refused to pay anyone on offense and his poor drafting lead the team to where it is today, and lead it to a place where brady contemplated leaving.

If Bill does better drafting and maybe holds onto guys like amendola or trades for a stud receiver Brady probably stays

Definitely. Brady is showing that he can still play at a high level with a quality team. Bill completely mismanaged the QB position with Brady. It would not have taken much to sign Amendola and bring in a quality FA TE not broken down Watson.

 

[sb1]

It’s not about being loyal to Cam. It’s 100% about the backup QBs not being able to play in the NFL.

If the Pats had a better QB as a backup he makes the switch. Without a doubt.

I also want to see someone better than Cam at the position. The guy who can do that is not on the roster.

 

[RIpats88]

Definitely. Brady is showing that he can still play at a high level with a quality team. Bill completely mismanaged the QB position with Brady. It would not have taken much to sign Amendola and bring in a quality FA TE not broken down Watson.

The problem is, once Jimmy G was traded I thought "ok they are going all in on brady" and will try to find another "Jimmy G" while brady leads the team. instead they lowballed him with one year deals and caused him to leave with NO backup plan in sight.

It's one thing to do that if you think you have a viable backup plan in Jimmy G. But once he was gone they continued to act business as usual at the QB position.

Now they are in the worst place possible. Perhaps it all comes back around and Jimmy G is available this off-season. But bills handling of the situation bears questioning

 

[amfootball]

The problem is, once Jimmy G was traded I thought "ok they are going all in on brady" and will try to find another "Jimmy G" while brady leads the team. instead they lowballed him with one year deals and caused him to leave with NO backup plan in sight.

It's one thing to do that if you think you have a viable backup plan in Jimmy G. But once he was gone they continued to act business as usual at the QB position.

Now they are in the worst place possible. Perhaps it all comes back around and Jimmy G is available this off-season. But bills handling of the situation bears questioning

I really doubt the Niners let Jimmy go. They would be a terrible position without him. They have no back ups either or young guy to develop.

 

[Toofy]

I really doubt the Niners let Jimmy go. They would be a terrible position without him. They have no back ups either or young guy to develop.

Agree. They might relieve Jimmy in 2022 if he again gets injured / plays below par. But they are a winning team with Jimmy in center and can probably use Jimmy as a game manager with all the weapons they have. This year they have been plagued so much with injuries that its difficult to move on from Jimmy.

For 20-25 million dollars, Jimmy is the biggest bargain in town. Why would they send him off to another team. Unless they get a high second rounder and are able to get their qb of choice .

 

[Thelonious]

No thanks seen enough of Stid. Not an NFL QB.

Neither is Cam, not any more. You do not have enough empirical evidence to state so categorically that Stidham is any worse, certainly. Let's see what happens. I suspect Stidham is not up to the job, but I need evidence, not reassuring conformity with what my pals think.

 

[Thelonious]

I think Bill is trying to do Cam a solid by letting him try to earn as much as the incentives in his contract as possible.

Well, that's not "doing what is best for the team," now is it? If you're right (which I kinda doubt), then we need to really question whether Bill's judgment is faltering more broadly, long a suspicion anyway re his GM responsibilities and re keeping the kids around so they have fun playing coach.