NFL Orders all facilities to shut down Mon and Tues

[DropKickFlutie]

The temperature doesn’t effect the virus, it is the fact we are all cooped up inside that makes transmission much more likely. You are most likely to catch it from your family you live with. When you are all inside breathing the same air for hours and hours without wearing a mask you will most likely catch it.

So given this won't we expect a massive massive spike with let's say 1 million American families who probably just spent Thanksgiving with 10 people in close quarters for a couple days. Covid doesn't care if it was close family or strangers.

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[moosekill]

So given this won't we expect a massive massive spike with let's say 1 million American families who probably just spent Thanksgiving with 10 people in close quarters for a couple days. Covid doesn't care if it was close family or strangers.

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Yes

 

[Triumph]

I won't be surprised if Mama Baker locks us down again on Monday!

My sister said that MSP are at the NH state line pulling people over entering the commonwealth.

Checking papers and passports.

 

[Tunescribe]

This fake season keeps getting faker and faker.

 

[Twentytothree]

Sweden no lockdown, now better numbers than the us and almost all European countries.

Sweden has 660 deaths/million, compared to 60 (Norway), 70 (Finland) and 140 (Denmark) in the other nordic countries (but I will say that I was shocked by the stupidity of much of central Europe trying to salvage vacation season). More importantly, going for some form of natural herd immunity NOW when the first vaccine approvals are likely only weeks ago would be more than stupid. Mass murder, IMO.

 

[Nikolai]

A two day lockdown doesn't accomplish much, except give them an out when they are criticized I guess. Not sure why there's doom and gloom about this season. Seems pretty clear, barring some catastrophe, that Herr Goodell will see this season through and the contender least affected by Covid will probably emerge as the champion.

As for Australia, I actually spoke to an Aussie about this last night and his theory is that since it's a rather remote island, they've been able to more easily lock it down. In Perth, where he lives, he said it was exceptionally easy and life has been more or less normal there. In any event, comparing the US to Australia on this matter is a simplistic approach.

 

[1960Pats]

Golf is a sport where speed counts for nothing. It does place a premium on coordination. Great athletes like Ted Williams and Michael Jordan were not able to become scratch golfers.

Seeing and hearing how difficult golf is for many pro athletes from other sports is proof positive of golf's difficulty.

 

[Kontradiction]

A two day lockdown doesn't accomplish much, except give them an out when they are criticized I guess. Not sure why there's doom and gloom about this season. Seems pretty clear, barring some catastrophe, that Herr Goodell will see this season through and the contender least affected by Covid will probably emerge as the champion.

As for Australia, I actually spoke to an Aussie about this last night and his theory is that since it's a rather remote island, they've been able to more easily lock it down. In Perth, where he lives, he said it was exceptionally easy and life has been more or less normal there. In any event, comparing the US to Australia on this matter is a simplistic approach.

 

[moosekill]

A two day lockdown doesn't accomplish much, except give them an out when they are criticized I guess. Not sure why there's doom and gloom about this season. Seems pretty clear, barring some catastrophe, that Herr Goodell will see this season through and the contender least affected by Covid will probably emerge as the champion.

As for Australia, I actually spoke to an Aussie about this last night and his theory is that since it's a rather remote island, they've been able to more easily lock it down. In Perth, where he lives, he said it was exceptionally easy and life has been more or less normal there. In any event, comparing the US to Australia on this matter is a simplistic approach.

Australia has about 25 million people, Florida has almost 22 million. Australia is roughly the same size as the United States without Alaska and Hawaii added in. So, if you got rid of everyone in the US except people from Florida, and then spread them out throughout the entire country you can start to get an idea why it has been a bit easier for Australia to prevent large spread coronavirus infections. Add in they are an island and don't have basically an open boarder with Mexico, who also has widespread coronavirus, and is doing much much less testing than the US, and it becomes rather easy to explain Australia's success with keeping those numbers down.

 

[moosekill]

I was trying to do the math on the two day lockdown stuff. I guess maybe if someone was exposed on Thursday to someone who has the disease they usually say after exposure wait 5 days give or take to help make sure there is enough virus in your body for the test to pick up. So maybe if they get tested Monday and Tuesday they will know on Tuesday whether or not they are ill, and the hope would be if they are infected they won't have become able to infect others until then.

 

[PP2]

As for Australia, I actually spoke to an Aussie about this last night and his theory is that since it's a rather remote island, they've been able to more easily lock it down. In Perth, where he lives, he said it was exceptionally easy and life has been more or less normal there. In any event, comparing the US to Australia on this matter is a simplistic approach.

What was he drinking? Australia is in no way a "remote island." It's much closer to China than the US and gets more visitors from there.

Their lockdown strategy was so harsh the premier of Victoria, Daniel Andrews was accused of being a dictator.

But it worked.

 

[PP2]

Australia has about 25 million people, Florida has almost 22 million. Australia is roughly the same size as the United States without Alaska and Hawaii added in. So, if you got rid of everyone in the US except people from Florida, and then spread them out throughout the entire country you can start to get an idea why it has been a bit easier for Australia to prevent large spread coronavirus infections. Add in they are an island and don't have basically an open boarder with Mexico, who also has widespread coronavirus, and is doing much much less testing than the US, and it becomes rather easy to explain Australia's success with keeping those numbers down.

A majority of Australians live on the southeast coast, the rest in Perth. Most of central and western Australia is uninhabited.

 

[moosekill]

A majority of Australians live on the southeast coast, the rest in Perth. Most of central and western Australia is uninhabited.

That is still a huge area compared to Florida. If you throw out the middle, you still have basically the eastern seaboard and California and then throw in Michigan, which houses 25 million people. There is no way you can compare a country that big to the US with over 300 million people.

 

[moosekill]

What was he drinking? Australia is in no way a "remote island." It's much closer to China than the US and gets more visitors from there.

Their lockdown strategy was so harsh the premier of Victoria, Daniel Andrews was accused of being a dictator.

But it worked.

It is really too big to be considered an island, but it has no borders with any other countries, so it is much easier to secure their borders. Add to that they are a huge nation with a small population and yes they had a very aggressive governor.

 

[Nikolai]

It is really too big to be considered an island, but it has no borders with any other countries, so it is much easier to secure their borders. Add to that they are a huge nation with a small population and yes they had a very aggressive governor.

Pretty much this.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Definitely rolling the dice. They can't process the idea of an NBA-style bubble (it would be logistically mind-boggling, but the potential profits are mind-boggling too). Right now you could put together what would normally be a $100k Super Bowl package and send it to me in some heavily insured registered mail, and I'd hope I could get money for it on stubhub. No. Effin. Way. I would use those tix.

Can you explain real quick how it would be more profitable for the NFL to play in a bubble? Not saying that I agree or disagree just yet. I just can’t wrap my mind around it and figure out what exactly how. Even with the hypothetical Super Bowl situation you floated.

Quick version: I didn't say that, but my phrasing wasn't very good. I meant to say they did not get their **** together and make it a bubble -- if that was possible -- but they did want the huge profits from playing.

So it is in their continuing interest to claim to be taking the precautions, polishing the turd as it were. They did not want, or were aware they couldn't swing, bubble-level precautions. They do want the profits from playing the season.

I remember recently somebody getting a positive test, then the same day, taking a test and being cleared to play because the second test was negative. I mean, it WORKS the other way. You want to play really bad. You test negative! Woo hoo! Best case, you test again, because you're being careful, and it's negative again! God bless you my son, go, and give someone CTE - you're healthy!

The second test could also disqualify you. "Oh no! I was so close to playing but that mean old league made them check for false positives!"

But what isn't cool is taking the second test after testing positive, getting a neg. result, and going with that. It smacks of testing until you get the answer you want. At the very least in that situation you'd like to hear that they were tested yet again.

The key is, this is a safety protocol. It's not "being fair to both opinions" or flipping coins or arguing on the internet. The virus only needs very occasional wins to F us up. So we should be erring on the side of caution, not splitting the difference.

You see the actual motivations play out in all of these halfway measures. the measures have some value, but not enough to promote a brag of "we're playing the season safely" etcetera. Naturally there are and will continue to be cases in the NFL. We'll see if it is impossible to finish the season. Probably -- and this is true in the genpop too -- probably, for each person in the official-sounding "COVID protocol," there are many asymptomatic cases, carriers if you will.

I'll probably have this post censored because it touches on reality. We have, on this board, accepted the premise that we (or at least I) really have to be careful to talk only about football the entertainment medium, so we have to be careful, or at least I do.

 

[fightingirish595]

Less than 50% chance now that the season will finish. Would have said 90% a month ago. Sounds like the league agrees.

lmao these numbers are purely arbitrary

 

[fightingirish595]

Seeing and hearing how difficult golf is for many pro athletes from other sports is proof positive of golf's difficulty.

yeah and technology has made it easier. In the old days if you miss hit the ball it would crease