Reason why BB so bad at drafting WRs

[borg]

Yep.. Such a horrible inability to separate that he was in the top 30 for receivers in the league on getting separation.

We all know ....."Harry's great, Sony's great"......you've been very clear with your analysis

 

[DaBruinz]

Interesting how this article was done today and we're talking about this exact thing:

It also explains why Sanu failed here.. He didn't buy into the system..

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[varjao]

A few years agora BB had some success double dipping positions in the draft , TE (Gronky, Hernandez), LB (Hightower, Chandler Jones) , RB (Vereen, Ridley). Ok that some were high picks but I don't understand why he decided to not do that again and just draft CBs in the 2nd round every ****ing year, if you double dip at receiver you improve your chances, if you do that in 2 years (not in a row) let's say 2016, 2018, in a time span of 3 years you take a shot at 4 prospects (between rounds 1 and 3) I mean you have to be blind to not hit on at least one player.

The system is complex and Brady had his share too being an azz when it comes to build chemistry, but the main problem for me is few selections and in the wrong guys. Dobson instead of Keenan Allen, Harry instead of every other WR available at that spot...

 

[Jimke]

Losing Amendola has hurt the Patriots badly. He could contribute more
than the current bozos on the team.

 

[slifersd]

A few years agora BB had some success double dipping positions in the draft , TE (Gronky, Hernandez), LB (Hightower, Chandler Jones) , RB (Vereen, Ridley). Ok that some were high picks but I don't understand why he decided to not do that again and just draft CBs in the 2nd round every ****ing year, if you double dip at receiver you improve your chances, if you do that in 2 years (not in a row) let's say 2016, 2018, in a time span of 3 years you take a shot at 4 prospects (between rounds 1 and 3) I mean you have to be blind to not hit on at least one player.

The system is complex and Brady had his share too being an azz when it comes to build chemistry, but the main problem for me is few selections and in the wrong guys. Dobson instead of Keenan Allen, Harry instead of every other WR available at that spot...

He did with Dobson and Boyer that one year at WR, and that didn't work out either. He doesn't know how to scout receivers, simple as that. He actually thought Dobson was a better WR than Keenan Allen in that draft, which explains why he thought Harry was worth a first round pick over guys like AJ Brown, Metcalf, McLaurin and others last year.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Yep.. Such a horrible inability to separate that he was in the top 30 for receivers in the league on getting separation.

Is that so? So why can't he even average over 10 yards a catch. He's slower than most tight ends. And he doesn't fight for the ball. More likely a CB intercepts and he falls down or folds like someone half his size

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Interesting how this article was done today and we're talking about this exact thing:

It also explains why Sanu failed here.. He didn't buy into the system..

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If 8 rookie WRs this year and 14 rookie WRs last year are all better than Harry, then maybe the WR system needs to change. It's not like the receivers here light it up on the field. Change it up. And it was absolutely catastrophic to burn a 2nd rounder for Sanu and then cut him.



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[signbabybrady]

I truly believe years from now BBs last draft pick will be a WR who goes on to break all of Jerry and Moss' records.

 

[Toofy]

The system gotta change. Who knows harry might have been more successful in Seattle or even Baltimore. If harry was in reckoning as a top 3 wr in the 2019 wr class, then there has to also be some blame on the coaching staff on not being able to help him reach his potential. We have been spoilt by Brady.

When you look at sanu's statement i feel other wide receivers will also take note. Para just seems to be a wr graveyard. Why would anyone want to come here . I feel we will be forced to expend significant draft assets for wr next year. We will not get free agents on cheap any longer with Brady gone. The onus is on bill and case rio to hit a home run in next year's draft.

Or can we get a superstar wr coach from college football?And please outsource the wr scouting and drafting from existing team to someone else..

 

[upstater1]

This is not accurate and I have already debunked it in the other thread.

Since 2009.

We can go back to 2000 if you wish, but for every Branch and Givens the Steelers have Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress. Youre not going to gain an inch of ground arguing that point.

Steelers drafted 12 WRs and I am not counting Claypool who looks like another Stud and dont look now, but Johnson is starting to blow up. Johnson was a 3rd round pick in Harrys draft. His rookie stats were 680 yards and 5 TDs with musical chair QBs.

1 Johnson 3rd
2 Washington 2nd
3 Ju Ju Smith 2nd
4 Ayers 7th
5 Coates 3rd
6 Bryant 4th
7 J Brown 6th
8 Wheaton 3rd
9 Clemons 7th
10 Sanders 3rd
11 A Brown 6th
12 Wallace 3rd

Wheaton and Bryant were considered misses with the Steelers. They would be successful picks in NE.

Patriots drafted 10 WRs
1 Harry 1st
2 Berrios 6th
3 Mitchell 4th
4 Lucien 7th
5 Gallon 7th
6 Dobson 2nd
7 Boyce 4th
8 Ebert 7th
9 Price 3rd
10 Tate 3rd

The Steelers have 2 more drafts picks devoted to WRs. Mitchell was injury prone at Georgia and lasted 1 season in the NFL. Edelman was a QB at Kent State and needed to be developed into a WR. This discussion is about drafting a WR in the NCAA and having him produce in the NFL preferably in his rookie season like AJ Brown or Terry McLaurin. Other teams are finding WR talent in the same drafts where the Patriots just waste recourses.

The Pats have drafted ZERO Elite WRs since 2009. If youre an NFL GM looking for a WR and drafting after the Patriots, youre sitting in the catbird seat.

Hines Ward was drafted before Belichick got here. Why are you including draft busts in the Steelers list?

 

[DaBruinz]

This is not accurate and I have already debunked it in the other thread.

Since 2009.

We can go back to 2000 if you wish, but for every Branch and Givens the Steelers have Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress. Youre not going to gain an inch of ground arguing that point.

Steelers drafted 12 WRs and I am not counting Claypool who looks like another Stud and dont look now, but Johnson is starting to blow up. Johnson was a 3rd round pick in Harrys draft. His rookie stats were 680 yards and 5 TDs with musical chair QBs.

1 Johnson 3rd
2 Washington 2nd
3 Ju Ju Smith 2nd
4 Ayers 7th
5 Coates 3rd
6 Bryant 4th
7 J Brown 6th
8 Wheaton 3rd
9 Clemons 7th
10 Sanders 3rd
11 A Brown 6th
12 Wallace 3rd

Wheaton and Bryant were considered misses with the Steelers. They would be successful picks in NE.

Upstarter's numbers ARE accurate. Your claim that you've debunked anything is laughable. The list shows that the Steelers use more draft capital than the Patriots on Draft picks. Including Claypool, the Steelers have used 8 picks in the top 3 rounds on WR. During that same time, Patriots have used 2.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Upstarter's numbers ARE accurate. Your claim that you've debunked anything is laughable. The list shows that the Steelers use more draft capital than the Patriots on Draft picks. Including Claypool, the Steelers have used 8 picks in the top 3 rounds on WR. During that same time, Patriots have used 2.

We're rehashing what's already been discussed. Even looking at the same rounds the Steelers usually hit when they spend a high pick. The Patriots stink when they use a high WR pick. It's not even close. Steelers have like 9 all pro picks and the Pats barely stretch credibility trying to count guys like Malcolm Mitchell

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[DaBruinz]

We're rehashing what's already been discussed. Even looking at the same rounds the Steelers usually hit when they spend a high pick. The Patriots stink when they use a high WR pick. It's not even close. Steelers have like 9 all pro picks and the Pats barely stretch credibility trying to count guys like Malcolm Mitchell

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No one is rehashing anything, Liar. I'm talking about the fact that Triump's claim that he debunked Upstarter is complete garbage.

Still waiting on you to "report me to Ian for having a 2nd account".

 

[Tony2046]

That's 17 picks. I'm disappointed if upstater was twisting facts....

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Upstater was simply mistaken. But his overall point is still valid. Pittsburgh has spent nearly double its draft value at receiver than that Patriots have. 5100 vs 2700. The Patriots have picked, on average over that last twenty years, much later than the Steelers have.. Winning comes at a cost. Win a Super Bowl or make to the AFCCG and you're picking last.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Upstater was simply mistaken. But his overall point is still valid. Pittsburgh has spent nearly double its draft value at receiver than that Patriots have. 5100 vs 2700. The Patriots have picked, on average over that last twenty years, much later than the Steelers have.. Winning comes at a cost. Win a Super Bowl or make to the AFCCG and you're picking last.

I hear you. Apples to apples though. Claypool was after Harry. At some point can't excuse EVERYTHING

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[Tony2046]

I hear you. Apples to apples though. Claypool was after Harry. At some point can't excuse EVERYTHING

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I'm working on something right now and will hopefully post it tomorrow. But you're right BB isn't perfect but he's damn good.

BB drafts with a different philosophy than Pittsburgh does.

From what I've seen over the years:

Some teams draft for need. Some for best player. Some will use more draft capital for one side of the ball than the other. Etc....etc....

So while it's fair to say that BB has missed on a receiver it is not fair to say that BB has sucked at drafting.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I'm working on something right now and will hopefully post it tomorrow. But you're right BB isn't perfect but he's damn good.

BB drafts with a different philosophy than Pittsburgh does.

From what I've seen over the years:

Some teams draft for need. Some for best player. Some will use more draft capital for one side of the ball than the other. Etc....etc....

So while it's fair to say that BB has missed on a receiver it is not fair to say that BB has sucked at drafting.

I agree. Drafting has been good outside of involvement from McDaniels

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[The Brandon Five]

Neither drafted and developed by the current OC. First was with Weiss. Next one during O'Brien's tenure. So yes the system works when the current OC isn't messing up the draft room. We got by in 07 with trades but 05-06 was terrible and same 2012-now a total desert in terms of developing any WRs since O'Brien left and the current OC came back.

Check the tread title

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Check the tread title

Yea the title is wrong. Belichick isn't scouting 500 college kids and 1500 NFL players while preparing every week on offense, defense, special teams. He relies on his staff and the info and opinions. Why do you think we draft OLine great, because of Scar.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

IT TAKES A GENIUS

A LOT OF NFL OWNERS LIKE TO PLUCK BRANCHES OFF BILL BELICHICK'S COACHING TREE. IF ONLY HIS SAPLINGS GREW SO MIGHTY.

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"[In 2003] when McDaniels and Caserio were tasked with scouting New England's opposing receivers and corners, they took it further, creating a formula for size, speed, ball skills, scheme and assignments. Then they developed a ranking system based on the Patriots' personnel and playbook. Impressed, Belichick ditched his manual for scouting receivers and corners, replacing it with what he'd learned."