What trade moves should the Patriots make before the deadline?

[Wozzy]

That might all be true and lets assume for second that BB is just misleading with his statement. Who would you be interested in ?

I'd snatch a development guy with upside off a practice squad. Jordan Ta'amu from the Chiefs or Mike White from the Jets. Luis Perez from the XFL played well in a small sample size who I liked a lot as a prospect. These aren't big names but I'm making moves for next season not necessarily this one.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't know how often to repeat myself. I disagree with moving on from Gilmore given how cheap his final year is but I see the point there if you can get a valuable pick in return.

But with Thuney I simply don't get what moving on from him is good for if you have so much cap space. How about keeping an AP level centerpiece of your OL that is just entering his prime instead of using a draft pick / or pay for a FA and hoping you get someone who can fill his shoes ?

We will have somewhere around 70-80m in cap space. How about we pay some of it to him and then use our assets to improve other holes ?

You are asking to create another hole just to get maybe a 3rd round pick in return (which will be gone if you invest that cap space in FA) and save 7m to fill that just created hole.

Gilmore won't play his final year under his current deal, they'll have to incentivize it. IMO they should sell on Gilmore and Thuney and use those high picks to trade up in the 1st for a QB.

 

[Love The Drake]

Has Josh Rosen drowned a puppy or something?
I’m sure Tom and Gronk would talk awful
About Bill but Rosen is the kind of guy we should kick the tires and see what we can get from him sign him and release Hoyer.

 

[luuked]

Gilmore won't play his final year under his current deal, they'll have to incentivize it. IMO they should sell on Gilmore and Thuney and use those high picks to trade up in the 1st for a QB.

The third they will get for Thuney and maybe 2nd for Gilmore will not help them move much up.

 

[Wozzy]

The third they will get for Thuney and maybe 2nd for Gilmore will not help them move much up.

Seattle for example would trade their grandma for Gilmore right now. The market will determine worth and contenders believe one player can put them over the top.

Also there are teams that will have high 1sts who may already have their QB. Cincinnati, Jacksonville and the Chargers don't need QB's.

 

[luuked]

I'd snatch a development guy with upside off a practice squad. Jordan Ta'amu from the Chiefs or Mike White from the Jets. Luis Perez from the XFL played well in a small sample size who I liked a lot as a prospect. These aren't big names but I'm making moves for next season not necessarily this one.

Apart from giving him a bit of a head start in terms of learning the playbook whats the difference between doing this now, a futures contract towards the end of the regular season or grabbing a developmental guy on day 3 of the draft.

None of them will get any reps outside the PS. If you want to add an developmental guy on the PS be my guest, but most positional coaches are working hard on QB1/QB2 and gameplans to the point that there won't be much 1 on 1 time left for additions.

I am not entirely sure what you are realistically expecting to come out of this. It is not like McDaniels and BB have time to sit and was tape with the guy or whatever. That's the advantage of the offseason where the staff doesn't invest every available minute into gameprep.

 

[Wozzy]

Apart from giving him a bit of a head start in terms of learning the playbook whats the difference between doing this now, a futures contract towards the end of the regular season or grabbing a developmental guy on day 3 of the draft.

None of them will get any reps outside the PS. If you want to add an developmental guy on the PS be my guest, but most positional coaches are working hard on QB1/QB2 and gameplans to the point that there won't be much 1 on 1 time left for additions.

I am not entirely sure what you are realistically expecting to come out of this. It is not like McDaniels and BB have time to sit and was tape with the guy or whatever. That's the advantage of the offseason where the staff doesn't invest every available minute into gameprep.

Like Jimmy G arriving to the 1-11 49ers and starting the final games of the season they can turn this year into a developmental season for next year.

 

[luuked]

Seattle would trade their grandma for Gilmore right now. The market will determine worth and contenders believe one player can put them over the top.

I think you are overestimating what a 30 year old player will fetch. But if they can get multiple teams to compete against each other maybe they can drive up the price to something more than a 2nd.

 

[luuked]

Like Jimmy G arriving to the 1-11 49ers and starting the final games of the season they can turn this year into a developmental season for next year.

None of the players you mentioned would even sniff the field. Whereas JG was instantly not only the best QB on the roster but also a polished prospect and ready to start due to the time BB/McD invested in him. That's not even close to being comparable.

 

[Wozzy]

I think you are overestimating what a 30 year old player will fetch. But if they can get multiple teams to compete against each other maybe they can drive up the price to something more than a 2nd.

It always seems that way but mid season trades are where magic happens, the allure of a potential ring clouds judgement. Sam Bradford, Laremy Tunsil, the list is long.

 

[Wozzy]

None of the players you mentioned would even sniff the field. Whereas JG was instantly not only the best QB on the roster but also a polished prospect and ready to start due to the time BB/McD invested in him. That's not even close to being comparable.

The same thing would have been said about Kurt Warner back when... Jordan Ta'amu is not getting a sniff in KC and they have a good eye for talent. There's nothing to lose and at some point the Pat's will start playing to improve rather than win.

 

[Love The Drake]

Yes. BB "shoved the acting GM of organization under the bus" for pointing out that he is responsible for the initial communication during trade talks.

What are you guys smoking ? What else did y'all think Caserio was doing in his role ?

Yes. BB "shoved the acting GM of organization under the bus" for pointing out that he is responsible for the initial communication during trade talks.

What are you guys smoking ? What else did y'all think Caserio was doing in his role ?

I was joking

 

[scott99]

The franchise is doomed with McDaniels. Keep Belichick for a couple more years and get a new coordinator.

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Why not a new, fresh coaching staff ? If everything falls to garbage.

 

[DW Toys]

Gilmore won't play his final year under his current deal, they'll have to incentivize it. IMO they should sell on Gilmore and Thuney and use those high picks to trade up in the 1st for a QB.

In Theory, yes, but the Pats Drafts have been horrid. Bill is better at picking up talent in trades and FA . The good news is they got rid of Osterman. The bad is they still have Nick.
When the Pats were perenially good, Draft choices filled in the minor gaps. Now they have to be the life blood of the roster and BB has not had to do that in 20 seasons. He got rid of one challenge with Monti.
What to do?
Don't throw TE Draft choices at me. Your better to opt for a Zack Ertz (even injured.....price is down) or perhaps Kyle Rudoph is in play.
Cam Newton played his best football with a TE who can get open.......we have NADA!!!
There will be torches and pitch forks at this one, but I am seeing if I can get Trubiski on the cheap. 84.7 QBR versus Cam at 71.7. 6TDs and 3 Int's part time versus 2 TDs and 7 Int's for Cam. Is Cam a better QB ? Yes but is a one year rental. Goodbye Stidham and Hoyer and bring in Trubiski. You are not getting Lawrence Pats fans and no franchise QB is in this Draft. Clear the decks on #2 and #4.
Now get a TE (or both) and trade for a WR like perhaps bring back Cooks? Why? He knows the system. Any WR starting for the Pats mid year is screwed.
OK Cooks and Ertz (or Rudolph or both) is an immediate upgrade. Love JE but looks lost. Harry is looking like a bust. The other two WR Byrd and Meyers are 4th line WR. Love Engram but he'd cost too much.
DW Toys

 

[luuked]

The same thing would have been said about Kurt Warner back when... Jordan Ta'amu is not getting a sniff in KC and they have a good eye for talent. There's nothing to lose and at some point the Pat's will start playing to improve rather than win.

Look your entire idea is hysterically absurd.

If you think that Cam is toast -- and the last two games at least put this into the realm of possibility -- then there is only one really rational way to handle it and that is hand over the team to Stidham and see what he can do with continuous weeks of QB1 reps and game experience. They have been working on him for 1.5 years now and outside the first two weeks of camp he never even got consistent reps with the starters.

The idea that they would sign a QB off someone else's PS and just randomly start him is completely bananas. You are talking about a team that is intentionally not giving their 3rd round TE pick any targets (even in the redzone) because he has not yet shown full grasp of the offense. And you seriously think there is a chance they'd just put some random dude in as QB ?

 

[DaBruinz]

Bengals fans are begging for them to trade for Thuney. Trade him for their 1st rounder.

Trade Gilmore to the highest bidding. Bidding war would be nice to get a 1st and more.

Ask Edelman if he still wants to be here. If he doesn't trade him. Do the same with white, Burkhead, and Mason.

I think we should just have a fire sale. Rebuild the next 2-3 years and hopefully we will be competitive again.

Could you please point to when Bill has EVER had a "fire sale"?

What team would want to take Thuney when they can't renegotiate his contract until the end of the season? Not to mention the unknown extent of his ankle injury.

These ideas of yours make DWToys look like frakking Einstein.

Why would teams take Edelman? There is only one place he'd want to go. And that's Tampa. And Tampa doesn't need him.

White is a rental and the Pats would be lucky to get a 6th rounder for him..

Why destroy a damn good O-line only to set yourself back 5-7 years? Which is what would happen in your scenario?

 

[DaBruinz]

The cap savings is significant if they trade him. And it’ll roll into next year.

So, you're advocating trading our BEST Offensive player in Thuney to save $10M and put it into next year. Could you show me where that has worked before..

Trading Thuney screws this offense over something fierce. And, in all honesty, the $10M and maybe a 3rd round pick won't get the team jack in the long run..

 

[DaBruinz]

It always seems that way but mid season trades are where magic happens, the allure of a potential ring clouds judgement. Sam Bradford, Laremy Tunsil, the list is long.

If you were attempting to be sarcastic, you failed miserably. If you were attempting to be honest, it's an even bigger failure.

Tunsil was traded PRIOR to the start of the 2019 season.
The Bradford trade was also done prior to the start of the 2017 season.

 

[Froob]

So, you're advocating trading our BEST Offensive player in Thuney to save $10M and put it into next year. Could you show me where that has worked before..

Trading Thuney screws this offense over something fierce. And, in all honesty, the $10M and maybe a 3rd round pick won't get the team jack in the long run..

Only if this season is shot, it’d be pretty hard to rebound if they don’t beat Buffalo.

Again, I want to keep Thuney, but if it’s unlikely to get a new deal done, let’s trade him and save some money.

 

[Boomer B]

The Gilmore trade rumours are heating up. In training camp he was absent a few days and it came out later he wanted his contract redone. They moved money around to give him more this year but next year he won’t play for $7m. Will the Pats want to redo the deal again or trade him. This article says they had trade talks earlier this year (something I heard on the radio also). If we lose again Sunday I’d bet we see Gilmore traded.

Patriots 'absolutely had conversations' about trading Stephon Gilmore

Albert Breer of The MMQB said Sunday on "Patriots Pregame Live" that the Patriots have had conversations about trading Stephon Gilmore, and the cornerback may not be on the team next year anyway.

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