OT: Brady caught in closed Tampa park

[BennyBledsoe]

This Tompa Bay thing is incredibly boring. What a lame attempt to create a nickname. I loved Tom until he started buying into the whole TB12 nonsense. Ever since then, I started to learn to root for him on the field and shake my head at some of the nonsense he did off the field.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

It is a statistically serious threat only to the elderly.

Obesity and age are the two biggest risk factors, followed by diabetes, high blood pressure, and respiratory issues.

If you are a fat 20-something diabetic couch potato, you are at greater risk than is a lean and athletic 60 year old.

 

[XLIX]

Bet you got your information from fox propaganda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

lol! Did you even read your own article? There is nothing in there that contradicts anything he said.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people think giving an example of a young, healthy person dying overrules the fact that that group is at far, far less risk than seniors.

 

[XLIX]

Yeah I thought so- you didn't bother to read the article so you missed the point. Guess it was too much to ask of your limited comprehension skills. Back to fox propaganda for you.

I think you skipped the day they taught logic in school. Essentially your conversation was:

Sieglo: There are more deaths in people over 90 than under 50.
PP2: Bet you got your information from fox propaganda. <posts article stating that 769 people under age 50 have died>

Seriously.... are you really unable to see how your response does not even remotely contradict or disprove his statement??

 

[XLIX]

The point of that article is that the virus strikes indiscriminately, age-wise.

Your previous posts make the above context seem that you say “strikes” when you really means “kills”. If that is your belief, that is one of the most phenomenally ignorant statements I’ve seen on this board on this topic. You must get your info from MSNBC, the network that established that $500 million divided by 327 million people equals over $1 million per person

 

[borg]

This Tompa Bay thing is incredibly boring. What a lame attempt to create a nickname. I loved Tom until he started buying into the whole TB12 nonsense. Ever since then, I started to learn to root for him on the field and shake my head at some of the nonsense he did off the field.

Tompa is approaching Lebron level of social media douchiness

 

[XLIX]

Obesity and age are the two biggest risk factors, followed by diabetes, high blood pressure, and respiratory issues.

If you are a fat 20-something diabetic couch potato, you are at greater risk than is a lean and athletic 60 year old.

I’m not sure that’s true. I’d have to see more robust data before I believe it, so please share how you are coming to that conclusion.

 

[IllegalContact]

Imagine if Brady has early onset dementia and while he's still pretty good at football, starts showing up at events with no pants or just starts screaming at a hydrant and interviews become completely chaotic because he thinks someone is trying to give him an enema.....

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I’m not sure that’s true. I’d have to see more robust data before I believe it, so please share how you are coming to that conclusion.

for starters, https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-obesity-risk-factor

“BMI is the Achilles’ heel for American patients,” says Jennifer Lighter, an epidemiologist at New York University’s Langone School of Medicine. That could be a crucial factor in the death toll, particularly for those under 60, she says. “In China it was smoking and pollution, and Italy had a larger older population, and many grandparents lived with extended families. Here, it’s BMI that’s the issue.”

see also https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20057794v1.full.pdf

Dr. Christopher Petrilli & co-authors examined the factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with COVID-19 for about one month. Nearly half of the patients were hospitalized. The study found that the strongest hospitalization risks were age over 75, obesity and history of heart failure, in that order.

see also: Obesity in patients younger than 60 years is a risk factor for Covid-19 hospital admission

see also: Obesity is major COVID-19 risk factor, says French chief epidemiologist
"This virus is terrible, it can hit young people, in particular obese young people. Those who are overweight really need to be careful," Delfraissy told franceinfo radio.

"That is why we're worried about our friends in America, where the problem of obesity is well known and where they will probably have the most problems because of obesity."

Delfraissy said 88% of those infected with the coronavirus suffered only severe flu-like symptoms.

The mortality rate for young people entering hospital with severe COVID-19 respiratory disease was about 2%, he said, but that rose to 14% for people who are obese.

 

[StairwayToSe7en]

Makes no sense. If a kid wants to get himself killed in a car crash, no problem. That's one less idiot. It's not going to affect the elderly.

You want to go out there and play the odds, that's fine, that's your choice, but you'll also be affecting everyone that you subsequently come into contact with, young and old. And you won't know who will be the worse off for it. And the more you are exposed to the virus, the more chance you have of suffering irreparable harm from it. The infection/mortality rate for front line workers is higher than average by a good margin. Applying statistics or probabilities to something like this is complete horseshit.

 

[XLIX]

for starters, https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-obesity-risk-factor

“BMI is the Achilles’ heel for American patients,” says Jennifer Lighter, an epidemiologist at New York University’s Langone School of Medicine. That could be a crucial factor in the death toll, particularly for those under 60, she says. “In China it was smoking and pollution, and Italy had a larger older population, and many grandparents lived with extended families. Here, it’s BMI that’s the issue.”

see also https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20057794v1.full.pdf

Dr. Christopher Petrilli & co-authors examined the factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with COVID-19 for about one month. Nearly half of the patients were hospitalized. The study found that the strongest hospitalization risks were age over 75, obesity and history of heart failure, in that order.

see also: Obesity in patients younger than 60 years is a risk factor for Covid-19 hospital admission

All you’ve done is establish that obesity is a risk factor. I acknowledge obesity is a risk factor. What I’m saying is I haven’t seen any data establishing an obese 20 year old is at greater risk than an otherwise-healthy 60 year old.

And here’s the thing: I’m not saying you’re wrong. You may very well be right.... but at this point in time, there are literally millions of people who had Covid-19 without ever knowing it. It’s tough/impossible to establish true mortality rates - especially at so granular of a level - when we really don’t know who has had it and who hasn’t.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

not just "a risk factor" but a huge one. If the French study is right, being obese makes the mortality rate go up 7-fold.

Now, I don't know if being 60 years old instead of being 20 years old, with all other things being equal, makes the mortality rate go up more or less than 7-fold.

I suspect that being 80+ years old instead of being 20 years old, with all other things being equal, does make the mortality rate go up more than 7-fold. But that is an educated guess.

The main point is that age is not everything, and the "over 60" guideline is too simplified.

 

[XLIX]

not just "a risk factor" but a huge one. If the French study is right, being obese makes the mortality rate go up 7-fold.

Now, I don't know if being 60 years old instead of being 20 years old, with all other things being equal, makes the mortality rate go up more or less than 7-fold.

I suspect that being 80+ years old instead of being 20 years old, with all other things being equal, does make the mortality rate go up more than 7-fold. But that is an educated guess.

The main point is that age is not everything, and the "over 60" guideline is too simplified.

Yeah, but you're kinda cheating quite a bit. "Obesity" is defined as a BMI of 30 or greater. The study you presented involved people with a BMI of 40 or greater. I think that's where our primary disconnect is.

A guy who is 5'10", 210 pounds is considered obese but does not qualify for the group of obese people in this study. The same guy would have to be 280 pounds to have a BMI of 40, which would put him in the group described in this study.

So it isn't so much that obesity is a risk factor as it is that severe obesity is a risk factor. I haven't seen much to support the idea that moderately obese people are at a significantly higher risk, but yeah... like virtually every single ailment in human history, senior citizens (who tend to have weaker immune systems) and people already in extremely bad health (>100 pounds overweight) are at a higher risk.

 

[PP2]

lol! Did you even read your own article? There is nothing in there that contradicts anything he said.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people think giving an example of a young, healthy person dying overrules the fact that that group is at far, far less risk than seniors.

Read the subheading of the article which is this:

ER doctor: ‘Just because they are young doesn’t mean they aren’t vulnerable’

 

[PP2]

I think you skipped the day they taught logic in school. Essentially your conversation was:

Sieglo: There are more deaths in people over 90 than under 50.
PP2: Bet you got your information from fox propaganda. <posts article stating that 769 people under age 50 have died>

Seriously.... are you really unable to see how your response does not even remotely contradict or disprove his statement??

Obviously you don't get what he was getting at when he was making that statement.

But let me put it this way, okay more people over 90 die from it, than people under 50. So what? What does that do for us?

 

[PP2]

Your previous posts make the above context seem that you say “strikes” when you really means “kills”. If that is your belief, that is one of the most phenomenally ignorant statements I’ve seen on this board on this topic. You must get your info from MSNBC, the network that established that $500 million divided by 327 million people equals over $1 million per person

Coronavirus doesn't have to "kill" to have a devastating impact on someone's life. Just ask anyone who had to be hooked up to a ventilator, or even just someone who's had to spend any amount of time in an overflowing hospital.

Are you following your dumbass president's advice to inject bleach or using UV light to disinfect yourself?

 

[XLIX]

Obviously you don't get what he was getting at when he was making that statement.

But let me put it this way, okay more people over 90 die from it, than people under 50. So what? What does that do for us?

What it does for us is it gives us a valuable insight into which groups are most vulnerable and which groups aren't really all that vulnerable.

If a group that represents (for example) less than 1% of the population has as many deaths as a group that represents (for example) 67% of the population, that tells us quite a deal.

 

[XLIX]

Coronavirus doesn't have to "kill" to have a devastating impact on someone's life. Just ask anyone who had to be hooked up to a ventilator, or even just someone who's had to spend any amount of time in an overflowing hospital.

Are you following your dumbass president's advice to inject bleach or using UV light to disinfect yourself?

LOL!! Now you're desperately trying to move the goalposts and hope no one notices. The statement was made that more people over 90 have died from Covid-19 than people under 50. Your response was to ignorantly ridicule that statement while demonstrating a complete lack of rational, logical thinking.

You posting an article saying ~800 young people have died does nothing whatsoever to contradict that statement.
You talking about the ridiculously vague term "devastating impact on someone's life" does nothing to contradict that statement.
Your personal attack to me (when all I did was call out your phenomenal ignorance) does nothing to contradict that statement.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

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[PP2]

What it does for us is it gives us a valuable insight into which groups are most vulnerable and which groups aren't really all that vulnerable.

If a group that represents (for example) less than 1% of the population has as many deaths as a group that represents (for example) 67% of the population, that tells us quite a deal.

A great deal about what?

How would that knowledge make any difference in the way we're trying to contain this virus?

The only surefire way of stopping this virus, as research after research has shown is a lockdown, strict social distancing, and quarantining.

Nothing else works.