LightSkinSmurf
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Just for laughs, I checked a 2021 Walter Camp mock draft. I don't project a high win total this year, and not just because Brady left. If we only win 6-7 games and finish up in the high teens for a pick, the only team I could see as QB competition was Jacksonville. Other QB needy teams, Indy, PIT, NO, CHI, will have better records than the Pats. Now Jacksonville does look like the clubhouse winner on this one but Jacksonville is STUPID and might be willing to trade the pick. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Unless the Bengals or Chiefs get the first pick in the draft, no one is trading away that Lawrence pick next year.
See what i bolded above.While it's waaaayyy too early, but we need to consider the schedule:
Jets: 2-0
Bills: 1-1
Dolphins: 1-1
Chiefs: 0-1
Chargers: 1-0
Raiders: 0-1
Broncos: 1-0
Baltimore: 0-1
Texans: 0-1
Seattle: 0-1
Niners: 0-1
Cardinals: 1-0
Rams: 1-0
8-8....and I was generous in giving them a sweep of the Jets, wins over Broncos, Cardinals, Rams, and Chargers.
It would have been hard to win 11-12 games WITH Brady.
Dunno, I am torn....I think the best play is to NOT actively TANK...but at the same time...don't load up on talent...but a lot of developmental players. To get Lawrence, we have to go 3-13 at MINIMUM or hope to god that we end up at 5-11ish....and the #1 pick team already has their franchise QB....
Felger was surprisingly balance on this next one, although he had some facts wrong or ignored them, shocker.
BB's records when Brady didn't start a game for him.
Cleveland: 36-44
NE Pre-Brady: 5-13
Other QB in Brady era: 13-6 (10-5 Cassell, JG 2-0, Brisette 1-1)
So the pre-Brady win percentage is .451
Other QB win percentage in Brady era is .684
Felger actually sided with Bill saying he's the .684 coach in NE after Brady and not the .451 before. I tend to agree with him.
Bill deserves credit for going 10-5 with Cassell as a starter but that's also 5 more loses than the year before not that they were going undefeated again with Brady at the helm.
But the facts are:
2007 to 2008, 179 less points
2007 SOS and SOV .535
2008 SOS .480 123-133
2008 SOV .408 71-103
Schedule really bailed them out. They got smoked by the Chargers and Steelers teams Tom has played really well against.
2016 without Brady
SOS 33-30-1 .523
SOV 26-21-1 .553
That's pretty good. Give Rex credit for a great game plan in the loss.
Total SOS & SOV 2008/16
SOS 156-163-1 .489
SOV 97-124-1 .455
Overall that SOS and SOV are probably about average for teams with winning records.
So the question posed was is Bill the Pre-Brady .451 winning percentage or the with Brady but out .684?
Brady 219-64 .773
Even if you don't discount the 2008 record for being very easy, 2020 schedule on paper is not very easy, that's still .089 less than Brady but I think we would all take that. That's still just under 11 wins on a 16 game season and 11.6 on a 17 game season. If Bill can average 11 wins a year without Tom that's going to be pretty impressive.
I think the big difference Bill and the rest of us are going to discover is 30-11 .731 with Brady vs 1-1 .500 without Brady. That's the biggest anomaly and nobody is every going to equal that. Even some of Brady's losses they were so outgunned because of injuries and he kept them in those games with a chance to win.
So, you're barring trades for draft picks before we might pick?Just for laughs, I checked a 2021 Walter Camp mock draft. I don't project a high win total this year, and not just because Brady left. If we only win 6-7 games and finish up in the high teens for a pick, the only team I could see as QB competition was Jacksonville. Other QB needy teams, Indy, PIT, NO, CHI, will have better records than the Pats. Now Jacksonville does look like the clubhouse winner on this one but Jacksonville is STUPID and might be willing to trade the pick. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Figures don't lie but liars do figureNe careful...a lot of posters here will be very angry and disagree with the actual facts.
Huh?So, you're barring trades for draft picks before we might pick?