Numerous Personnel Mistakes since the off season

[50-yard-line]

I yelled at the TV twice last night. This isn't week 2 where he needs to make sure he preserves himself to make it though the year. This is the postseason. Lower your pads and gain an extra yard or two. If you're going to be a plodder then at least fight for the extra yard.

Michel had 4.4/attempt against the Titans. He wasn't the problem the last two weeks.

And I have an awful hard time blaming the RB when he takes the ball at the same moment the defender grabs him, which was most of the year. The OL and predictability killed him this year.

 

[ivanvamp]

Harry sucks. 7 targets only 2 catches. He's a bust.

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Excellent work labeling a guy a bust after his first 7 games in the NFL.

 

[Ladypatsfan]

Maybe we need to hire a GM. BB has lost most of his coaching staff. He can't coach the team by himself and do the Gm job as well. He may need a little help. Like Brady, he is getting old too.

 

[203Pat]

Michel had 4.4/attempt against the Titans. He wasn't the problem the last two weeks.

And I have an awful hard time blaming the RB when he takes the ball at the same moment the defender grabs him, which was most of the year. The OL and predictability killed him this year.

Sadly that was one of his better games all year. That being said I still don’t like him ducking out of bounds instead of fighting for extra yards.

 

[supafly]

Here we go ...the Pat's didn't lowball Humphries. Humphries already committed to Vrabel and the Titans

What are you talking about? They gave an offer and he took TENs offer instead because it was better. Then they upped their offer once he had already committed to the Titans as a last ditch effort. Had they given him a better offer to begin with, he’d have likely taken it.

They lowballed a fair amount of potential free agents like Humphries, Cook, Beasley, etc—which is fine considering that they stuck to their “value system,” and that’s proven to be effective over the years, but that doesn’t change the fact that they underbid on a fair amount of key talent last offseason, and that’s a fact. And stop it with the “here we go” nonsense. It’s been discussed at length numerous times.

 

[supafly]

Was last year's team very good? They got their asses kicked by four non-playoff teams (Jacksonville, Detroit, Tennessee, and Pittsburgh) and also lost the crazy game to Miami. And they allowed 100 more points in 2018 than they did in 2019, while only scoring 16 more points in 2018 than 2019.

What happened was that they just got rolling in the playoffs. They got the #2 seed and a bye despite a *worse* record in 2018 than 2019. If the Pats had that this year, we'd all be gearing up for a home playoff game this coming weekend.

I’m not sure where you’re going with pointing out the fact that they lacked in certain key areas like TE, run blocking, and better play from the WRs (Dorsett caught two TDs in the 2018 postseason), which ultimately led to their success. Last year’s team had better blocking (Devlin), a TE who made “the” key play to win the SB (Gronk), a WR who actually produced (Dorsett), and a RB who was regularly carrying for 100+ yards and who scored 6 touchdowns in the postseason (Michel).

 

[Sicilian]

They had a contingency plan at FB in Johnson. He got hurt as well.

This. Most teams (past Pats teams included) don't even have a backup FB. The fact they had Johnson was a surprise, even to them because he caught on to the NFL much faster than anticipated. They could have carried him as a free 11th PS player all year, but he impressed enough to convince them to carry him in a regular PS instead in case they needed him. People are reaching if they're blaming the Pats for not having a backup FB, when A) They DID, he also got hurt, and B) Almost no one has a backup FB in today's NFL.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

What are you talking about? They gave an offer and he took TENs offer instead because it was better. Then they upped their offer once he had already committed to the Titans as a last ditch effort. Had they given him a better offer to begin with, he’d have likely taken it.

They lowballed a fair amount of potential free agents like Humphries, Cook, Beasley, etc—which is fine considering that they stuck to their “value system,” and that’s proven to be effective over the years, but that doesn’t change the fact that they underbid on a fair amount of key talent last offseason, and that’s a fact. And stop it with the “here we go” nonsense. It’s been discussed at length numerous times.

Wrong. He took Tennessee's offer because, as he himself said later, was in part because of Brady being old. And why don't you prove to me that the Pats "lowballed" him and that was the reason he went with the Titans? I want numbers. And did you ever stop to think the Pats gave him a lower offer because they were tight under the cap this year? Can't sign every free agent for the price they are seeking.

And I'm sorry that Bill did not deliver a SEVENTH super bowl. Shame on him.

 

[supafly]

Wrong. He took Tennessee's offer because, as he himself said later, was in part because of Brady being old. And why don't you prove to me that the Pats "lowballed" him and that was the reason he went with the Titans? I want numbers. And did you ever stop to think the Pats gave him a lower offer because they were tight under the cap this year? Can't sign every free agent for the price they are seeking.

And I'm sorry that Bill did not deliver a SEVENTH super bowl. Shame on him.

I don’t even know what your last two sentences mean or where you’re pulling that from, but I love how you seem to agree that they had to give lower offers because they were “up against the cap,” but then somehow try and refute the idea at the same time.

If the Pats increased their offer to Humphries after he had already agreed with TEN, then isn’t it common sense that their first offer was too low? Humphries himself has stated that he didn’t want to accept their new/better offer once he had agreed with TEN, so he has actually corroborated it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Last off-season was an important one in order to keep Brady if they really wanted him. Since Brady likes to have receivers that are clairvoyants, he will go elsewhere. And I think the feeling is mutual with the young receivers as they cannot relate to a quarterback that is 20 years older than them. They will not be sad to see Brady go as all he did was yell at them on the field.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I don’t even know what your last two sentences mean or where you’re pulling that from, but I love how you seem to agree that they had to give lower offers because they were “up against the cap,” but then somehow try and refute the idea at the same time.

If the Pats increased their offer to Humphries after he had already agreed with TEN, then isn’t it common sense that their first offer was too low? Humphries himself has stated that he didn’t want to accept their new/better offer once he had agreed with TEN, so he has actually corroborated it.

Clearly, you don't know what the definition of "lowball" is. Lowballing someone is to make a deceptively low offer so that they would reject it. Making a lower offer because of budgetary constraints is different. And yes, Humphries said no to us because he already accepted Tennessee's offer, but that is only part of the story. He also said in interviews that Brady's age was a factor. Basically, your argument is that Bill is a cheapskate. And who's to say Tennessee didn't overpay for Humphries? Maybe Bill's offer was right on the money and Vrabel overpaid.

My point in the last sentence was that too many of so-called Pats fans complain about Bill this year, conveniently forgetting that he put together 6 championship teams. It's the same people who criticized Bill after 2017 about how our secondary sucked and that he didn't put any resources into it. Could Bill have done a better job? Sure, but his track record is such that he uses these losses to fix what went wrong so that the team can come back stronger next year.

 

[PatsFan2]

What are you talking about? They gave an offer and he took TENs offer instead because it was better. Then they upped their offer once he had already committed to the Titans as a last ditch effort. Had they given him a better offer to begin with, he’d have likely taken it.

They lowballed a fair amount of potential free agents like Humphries, Cook, Beasley, etc—which is fine considering that they stuck to their “value system,” and that’s proven to be effective over the years, but that doesn’t change the fact that they underbid on a fair amount of key talent last offseason, and that’s a fact. And stop it with the “here we go” nonsense. It’s been discussed at length numerous times.

Jared Cook visited the Patriots First before he was scheduled to visit the Saints. I said to myself if he left here without a contact he will not get by the Saints so said so done dumb move by GM/BB. We could have used his 700yds and 9 TD's at TE. Brady have reasons to be pissed that's why I feel he's not coming back he had absolute hog wash to work with on Offense.

 

[supafly]

Jared Cook visited the Patriots First before he was scheduled to visit the Saints. I said to myself if he left here without a contact he will not get by the Saints so said so done dumb move by GM/BB. We could have used his 700yds and 9 TD's at TE. Brady have reasons to be pissed that's why I feel he's not coming back he had absolute hog wash to work with on Offense.

They swung and missed with a good handful of key free agents, and that’s the point. There’s nothing wrong about discussing this in a thread that’s titled “numerous personnel mistakes since the offseason,” but it’s sure to get some homers’ panties in a bunch.

@TommyBrady12 showed his true colors of douchieness when he called out every poster on the forum for going to “basic” schools such as Boston College or Boston University. Off to ignore he goes.

 

[supafly]

My point in the last sentence was that too many of so-called Pats fans complain about Bill this year, conveniently forgetting that he put together 6 championship teams. It's the same people who criticized Bill after 2017 about how our secondary sucked and that he didn't put any resources into it. Could Bill have done a better job? Sure, but his track record is such that he uses these losses to fix what went wrong so that the team can come back stronger next year.

So, what the hell does that have to do with me or my response in a thread that discusses the mistakes made in the offseason? Since when do I have such a pessimistic viewpoint on the team that you feel a scolding out of left field is in order? We’re literally talking about the mistakes that were made in a thread dedicated to that discussion. If you don’t care for the example, look no further than to guys like Cook, Beasley, or Cobb, and them being tight up against the cap was a decision made by Belichick and the team. No one forced them to keep some of the players they did so that they’d be forced to miss out on others.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Lowballing Humphries, Beasley, Jared Cook, etc. Leaving the cupboard bare at WR, and wasting TWO roster spots at the position with Meyers and Gunner. Not addressing the TE position. Not drafting Chung’s replacement, which cost us on at least two game changing plays. Straying from screens to White. There are lots more.

So, what the hell does that have to do with me or my response in a thread that discusses the mistakes made in the offseason? Since when do I have such a pessimistic viewpoint on the team that you feel a scolding out of left field is in order? We’re literally talking about the mistakes that were made in a thread dedicated to that discussion. If you don’t care for the example, look no further than to guys like Cook, Beasley, or Cobb, and them being tight up against the cap was a decision made by Belichick and the team. No one forced them to keep some of the players they did so that they’d be forced to miss out on others.

Discussing Bill's mistakes is fine. Whining about them like you did in the above post is another thing. It's as if you feel entitled to a 7th Super Bowl.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Lowballing someone is to make a deceptively low offer so that they would reject it.

Yes, but there are cases in which I deal with in negotiations where people lowball to see how desperate the other party is to make a deal. They want to see how much wiggle room there is in coming down in the price.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes, but there are cases in which I deal with in negotiations where people lowball to see how desperate the other party is to make a deal. They want to see how much wiggle room there is in coming down in the price.

I'm fine with that, but the poster was basically saying Bill was too cheap to sign anyone. I have a problem with that.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'm fine with that, but the poster was basically saying Bill was too cheap to sign anyone. I have a problem with that.

I’m guessing where they are coming from is that the Patriots make an offer and set their price. Their standpoint is that player should be grateful he got an offer from an organization like the Pats and take less money.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Out of all the questionable moves made I would love to hear BB's rationale regarding drafting Joejuan Williams at pick 45 & his usage. Talk about a luxury pick.

preseason:

201 snaps
12 targets
3 receptions
39.6 passer rating
0.17 yards per cover snap

regular season:

80 snaps
6 targets
3 receptions
66.0 passer rating
0.60 yards per cover snap (3rd in NFL)

1) Why draft a 6'4" corner in the top half of the 2nd round when you have Gilmore, McCourty & Jackson on the outside while TE is a wasteland?

2) Why draft a 6'4" corner and not put him on TEs while Chung & Brooks are getting owned?

Unlike some recent picks Williams has shown in limited time that he can play. Not sure his path to playing time if they won't play him at SS moving forward.

Besides missing on picks players that may be hits (Winovich, Williams) don't play enough.

 

[ivanvamp]

I’m not sure where you’re going with pointing out the fact that they lacked in certain key areas like TE, run blocking, and better play from the WRs (Dorsett caught two TDs in the 2018 postseason), which ultimately led to their success. Last year’s team had better blocking (Devlin), a TE who made “the” key play to win the SB (Gronk), a WR who actually produced (Dorsett), and a RB who was regularly carrying for 100+ yards and who scored 6 touchdowns in the postseason (Michel).

I'm pointing out that last year's team really wasn't better than this year's team on the whole. The offense was better but the defense was worse. But they put it together when they needed to. This year's team didn't.