Tom Brady: an honest take

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I guess i'm feeling like, if Brady had his arsenal from early on (all year) and still played like the entire season i'd probably be willing to accept he's probably on his last stand. There's plenty of variables that preclude me from saying "He's done." Give him another season, get some DECENT players in roles that were subpar this year, and if it still looks like ****, then approach him about retirement. I keep the goat another year, this wasnt 2015 Peyton for christ's sake.

 

[Flash]

I don't think people realize that Tom Brady is turning 43 in 2020. "But he was playing hurt" excuse doesn't work as well when you realize that, yeah, players over 40 years of age tend to get hurt more often. How many players in all of professional sports are over 40 years of age? Vinatieri, Brady, Brees, Vince Carter...and that's about it. Yeah, there is a reason for that, because 40 years old players can't keep up with players in their 20s.

I'm fine with Brady playing for us for another season, but it is crucial that Belichick finds our next franchise QB ASAP if we want to keep the dynasty going.

 

[Ladypatsfan]

I hope they advise him to retire.

 

[Angelpats]

I haven't checked. Are there any QBs with a 53.1 QBR and an injured throwing arm in the playoffs this year besides Brady?

I still like our chances. Defense will need to step up.

Not with this set of TEs/WRs. Patriots needed every edge. Today, they fell flat on their faces.
Phins focus on Julian (plus he is hurt), game over.

The Defense wasn't very good today either.

Patriots won't make it deep into the playoffs. That's for sure....

That’s a wonderful outlook you have for our team. It will be an uphill climb but imagine if they pull it off. It’s 28-3 all over again.

 

[Biffins]

With the completion of today's game, Tom's QBR this season will rest right around 88. In each of the last four seasons, starting with the suspension shortened season of 2016, Tom's QBR has declined. Tom's career average QBR is 97. He barely hit that last season and fell well below this season. Tom Brady will be 43 years old at the start of next season. If I'm BB, he doesn't get re-signed. I try to talk him into retiring as a Pat. He is playing well below Tom Brady averages now. He is no longer worth the investment. You can blame the offense all you want, but the steady 4-year decline is undebatable. It's not just QBR.. it's pretty much every stat that matters. They're all at 4 year lows this year. It's time to move on.

Brady QBR
2010 - 111. NFL MVP
2011 - 105.6
2012 - 98.7
2013 - 87.3

Dec 29th 2013
With the completion of today's game, Tom's QBR this season will rest right around 87. In each of the last four seasons, Tom's QBR has declined. Tom's career average QBR is 90. Tom Brady will be 38 years old at the start of next season. If I'm BB, he doesn't get re-signed. I try to talk him into retiring as a Pat. He is playing well below Tom Brady averages now. He is no longer worth the investment. You can blame the offense all you want, but the steady 4-year decline is undebatable. It's not just QBR.. it's pretty much every stat that matters. They're all at 4 year lows this year. It's time to move on.

Brady QBR
2014 - 97.4. Won SB. SB MVP
2015 - 102.2
2016 - 112.2. Won SB. SB MVP.
2017 - 102.8. NFL MVP
2018 - 97.7. Won SB.

You fail.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Would be nice to see the 2019 Pats celebrate the 50th anniversary of the 1969 Celtics.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What the hell happened to Edelman today?

Played sparingly. Think they wanted him to sit the whole game but had him active in case game was close. Edelman is in really, really rough shape physically by all reports.

The offense played pretty well considering they didn’t have Edelman for most snaps and the Dolphins drives were so long. The defense was just inexcusably bad. I think this was a lot like the Houston game. The excessive blitzing either works or it doesn’t. If it clearly isn’t working, don’t do it. Same thing with Gilmore on Parker and Hopkins vs. Houston. There’s a lot of stubbornness that needs to occur for thndedense tomplay that consistently poorly against the Dolphins.

 

[Chevrolet]

I don't think people realize that Tom Brady is turning 43 in 2020. "But he was playing hurt" excuse doesn't work as well when you realize that, yeah, players over 40 years of age tend to get hurt more often. How many players in all of professional sports are over 40 years of age? Vinatieri, Brady, Brees, Vince Carter...and that's about it. Yeah, there is a reason for that, because 40 years old players can't keep up with players in their 20s.

I'm fine with Brady playing for us for another season, but it is crucial that Belichick finds our next franchise QB ASAP if we want to keep the dynasty going.

At some point this team needs another approach to team building. For Brady to play next year that is 30 million off the cap and maybe another first round playoff exit.
Sometime we need to reload this roster with talented and young players. Can not keep putting it off for just one more year. This Brady nonsense that he can play until he is 47 is just that non sense.

The top teams in this league for the most part have rebuilt their identity after they realized their QB situation was going nowhere.


1) Ravens - moved on from Flacco, drafted LJ and rebuilt entire offense around him
2) Chiefs- moved on from Alex Smith- drafted Mahomes and rebuilt their offense and defense
3) Titans- moved on from Mariotta and gambled with Tannehill
4) Houston- never had a good QB so they had nothing to move on from
5) San Francisco- JG


If your quarterback is on the downside and going down (Brady) decisiveness and planning for future is the fastest way to get back to the top.

I think both Brady and BB will realize its time for both to move on

 

[TBR]

Pretty damn obvious that between Brady's elbow injury (allegedly quite painful), the poor WRs and TEs, shaky OL and inconsistent running game -- that he's not suddenly some scrub QB who the Pats should move on from because he's fallen off a cliff.

A healthy Brady and some competent off-season moves will result in everything being just fine.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

His. Throwing. Arm. Is. Injured.

what part of this do people not understand?

Kinda not understanding why he's playing if it's affecting him that much

 

[Biffins]

At some point this team needs another approach to team building. For Brady to play next year that is 30 million off the cap and maybe another first round playoff exit.
Sometime we need to reload this roster with talented and young players. Can not keep putting it off for just one more year. This Brady nonsense that he can play until he is 47 is just that non sense.

The top teams in this league for the most part have rebuilt their identity after they realized their QB situation was going nowhere.


1) Ravens - moved on from Flacco, drafted LJ and rebuilt entire offense around him
2) Chiefs- moved on from Alex Smith- drafted Mahomes and rebuilt their offense and defense
3) Titans- moved on from Mariotta and gambled with Tannehill
4) Houston- never had a good QB so they had nothing to move on from
5) San Francisco- JG


If your quarterback is on the downside and going down (Brady) decisiveness and planning for future is the fastest way to get back to the top.

I think both Brady and BB will realize its time for both to move on

There is an assumption that there's an incredible QB on the cheap waiting in the draft that will be on a cheap deal for a few years giving you a window to win a trophy.

Oh wait....... that's every NFL team's dream.

By cherry picking those that succeeded you have an extreme case of success bias. Every NFL team thinks they will pick that franchise QB in the draft next year on the cheap. It's nonsense. It's hit-and-miss. We got incredibly lucky with Brady. If we had any idea how good he was, we would have taken him first round.

As for Brady's cap hit, first of all that number has not been determined. Secondly Brady has famously avoided letting his cap hits get too high and has repeatedly taken below market contracts. So please, stop with this nonsense. There aren't 25 people in the world that can do this job competently. It's why all teams then pay massively to hold on to the ones they find.

 

[Chevrolet]

Pretty damn obvious that between Brady's elbow injury (allegedly quite painful), the poor WRs and TEs, shaky OL and inconsistent running game -- that he's not suddenly some scrub QB who the Pats should move on from because he's fallen off a cliff.

A healthy Brady and some competent off-season moves will result in everything being just fine.

Why is it assumed that a soon to be 43 year old will simply shake off his elbow problems and not have additional injuries next year. He is not superhuman and there is a reason why no one has played well beyond 40.

It is rose colored glasses to assume that TB will simply return to previous form when his elbow feels better.

 

[Biffins]

I'm not there yet. I think Tom is hurt. He certainly won't overpay for his svcs

Maybe Kraft shouldn't overpay for BB's services. At what point does the GM/Coach take the responsibility for the pathetic play especially when it's obviously due to roster construction.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Maybe Kraft shouldn't overpay for BB's services. At what point does the GM/Coach take the responsibility for the pathetic play especially when it's obviously due to roster construction.

Stop. Without BB leading this team they are 8-8. Is that what you want?

 

[Chevrolet]

There is an assumption that there's an incredible QB on the cheap waiting in the draft that will be on a cheap deal for a few years giving you a window to win a trophy.

Oh wait....... that's every NFL team's dream.

By cherry picking those that succeeded you have an extreme case of success bias. Every NFL team thinks they will pick that franchise QB in the draft next year on the cheap. It's nonsense. It's hit-and-miss. We got incredibly lucky with Brady. If we had any idea how good he was, we would have taken him first round.

As for Brady's cap hit, first of all that number has not been determined. Secondly Brady has famously avoided letting his cap hits get too high and has repeatedly taken below market contracts. So please, stop with this nonsense. Their aren't 25 people in the world that can do this job competently. It's why all teams then pay massively to hold on to the ones they find.

Not assuming there is a quick solution to replacing TB. Being realistic that it may be necessary to have 2-3 years of sub 8-8 play in order to get back to the point where this team can legitimately challenge for more SB's
I am accepting the reality of the situation. TB's QBR has decreased for 5 straight years. He has not had elbow injuries in all those years. The slope is going downward consistently for him. To ignore a trend like that and pretend that as a 43 year old he can perform like a superhuman because he drinks 800 gallons of water a day gets massages, does Pilates and avoids strawberries does not make sense.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Tom will be back.

But I would highly assume it’s under the pretense that the offense is completely loaded up.

And quite frankly, he deserve his say on the offensive personnel decisions, especially after the cluster that happened this season.

 

[mosi]

Kinda not understanding why he's playing if it's affecting him that much

Because he is Tom fcking Brady.

 

[scott99]

Pretty damn obvious that between Brady's elbow injury (allegedly quite painful), the poor WRs and TEs, shaky OL and inconsistent running game -- that he's not suddenly some scrub QB who the Pats should move on from because he's fallen off a cliff.

A healthy Brady and some competent off-season moves will result in everything being just fine.

Ok, I’ll give you this year as far as injury, but how do you explain 2018’s decline ?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Because he is Tom fcking Brady.

That's cool and all but Tom "hurt elbow" Brady has been pretty bad

 

[Gronk]

I'm fine with Brady playing for us for another season, but it is crucial that Belichick finds our next franchise QB ASAP if we want to keep the dynasty going.

I think this idea - that if they just find the correct next QB that the dynasty will just continue unabated because it will - is a false premise to start from. There are a number of really really good QBs, now and in the past, who have only been to a single SB or sometimes never even sniffed one. Nobody is taking this over and going to the SB every other year (on average). There are a ton of other things that went right over 20 years, and Tom got/gave them a jumpstart by winning right out of the gate in ‘01. Believing singularly that just getting a new QB is all that stands between them and another dominant decade seems a bit far-fetched.

I think everyone here still wants the team to be good and compete at a high level post-Brady. A new QB is obviously an important step to whatever is next, but Brady’s prime was Belichick’s prime too. If we’re being totally honest, Brady isn’t the only one starting to show signs of slipping.