Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Bills

[raduray]

My wife's from Cleveland and for once I'll joint her family and cheer for the Brownies. That game will be on TV here on WBZ.

For those confused by my post, if the Ravens lose to Cleveland and then again to the Steelers next week, the Pats would regain the #1 seed. Not likely, but still, on any given Sunday...

 

[shmessy]

For those who are confused about my post, if Cleveland beats Baltimore, NE regains the #1 seed

For those confused by my post, if the Ravens lose to Cleveland and then again to the Steelers next week, the Pats would regain the #1 seed. Not likely, but still, on any given Sunday...

So what you're saying is your first post was wrong and your second post was correcting it?

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[raduray]

So what you're saying is your first post was wrong and your second post was correcting it?

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Yes. I thought I had deleted the first post before posting, but somehow this site doesn't work that way.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I thought he does quite well when Brady had the arm strength.He was key last year down he stretch and earlier this year.

I’m sorry, I just see a direct correlation to Brady’s arm strength basically eliminating the part of the field that Dorsett specializes in.

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Brady's arm strength is fine. Are there any real examples to point to or just your feeling/opinion?

Regarding Dorsett I'm not picking on him but he's been the most wide open WR ever but nothing to show for it through 2 teams?

I think its possible some think he's open when in reality he's not open when he needs to be. He's always had trouble utilizing his speed to work in game. He's a fast guy but again not using that speed in the right ways.

Trust me I'd love to see him stretch the field but a lot has to go right considering he's not going to out muscle anyone for a 50/50 either.

 

[shmessy]

Brady's arm strength is fine. Are there any real examples to point to or just your feeling/opinion?........

-Iceberg on his elbow at the postgame presser
-What was the longest throw he attempted yesterday?

That's just 2 cold hard facts.

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[shmessy]

Regarding Dorsett I'm not picking on him but he's been the most wide open WR ever but nothing to show for it through 2 teams?

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I'm sorry, did you not see the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs. Not to mention the first half of this season.

You're actually going to claim but nothing to show for it through 2 teams?????

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

-Iceberg on his elbow at the postgame presser
-What was the longest throw he attempted yesterday?

That's just 2 cold hard facts.

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I'm sorry, did you not see the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs. Not to mention the first half of this season.

You're actually going to claim but nothing to show for it through 2 teams?????

The fact that he didn't attempt many deep passes could have nothing to do with his arm strength.
There was a conscious effort to get the ball out quick last night. That was classic NEP. Come up with a plan, execution & stick with it.
Also you're ignoring other factors like OL, deep threats etc. Brady can only do so much. If he doesn't have time or legit threats to execute a play why bother?

Again regarding Dorsett all I hear is opinion. I've been watching him here & in Indy on the A22 for years & he's not special in any regard. If he was as wide open as some say he'd be getting the ball. Not Just deep shots but just getting the ball in his hands. He's not nearly as wide open as some make it seem.

This team has been desperately needing to stretch the field. We're not ignoring him, he's just not the player some think he is.

 

[n6249c]

JMO, but it was a mistake to go for it on 4th down on the 40 with a minute to go in the first half.

The Bills had two timeouts left, and it was a defensive battle. No need to take that risk, and give the Bills hope of going into the half tied. We were in control at that point.

The game shifted after that. Bill coached like he had a powerhouse offense.

But that was it for the bad. Great game plan, but next time in that situation they will pin the opponent back and go into the half with a touchdown lead.

Disagree with your first three paragraphs. Don’t disagree with your last one.

Bill coached like he had confidence in his offense. You’re making that a bad thing. If the offense had executed and made their blocks the play would have worked.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Disagree with your first three paragraphs. Don’t disagree with your last one.

Bill coached like he had confidence in his offense. You’re making that a bad thing. If the offense had executed and made their blocks the play would have worked.

It's en vogue to crap on the result of a logical decision and because of the undesired result, conclude the decision was illogical.

 

[n6249c]

It was legal and reportedly both 71 and 73 properly reported as eligible. But supposedly the refs only announced 71 was eligible and failed to inform the defense that 73 (who caught the TD) also reported as eligible which is why BB was steamed.

That’s what I thought happened. And then they couldn’t take it away because the offensive player properly reported so the defense got screwed. BB has a point.

 

[shmessy]

The fact that he didn't attempt many deep passes could have nothing to do with his arm strength.
There was a conscious effort to get the ball out quick last night. That was classic NEP. Come up with a plan, execution & stick with it.
Also you're ignoring other factors like OL, deep threats etc. Brady can only do so much. If he doesn't have time or legit threats to execute a play why bother?

Again regarding Dorsett all I hear is opinion. I've been watching him here & in Indy on the A22 for years & he's not special in any regard. If he was as wide open as some say he'd be getting the ball. Not Just deep shots but just getting the ball in his hands. He's not nearly as wide open as some make it seem.

This team has been desperately needing to stretch the field. We're not ignoring him, he's just not the player some think he is.

Those excuses are now a huge backtrack from Dorsett has given "nothing to show through 2 teams".

Look, you wrote I gave nothing but opinion.

The fact is I gave you 2 cold hard facts and you've answered with nothing but opinion. And yes, your earlier claim shows a remarkable forgetting of what Philip Dorsett did down the stretch last year and for the first part of this season. You may want to erase that from your memory, but the rest of saw it and remember quite well. Dude had 3 big TDs down the stretch for us last year and followed up with 5 already this year. You are inventing this story that he is somehow a nothingburger. He's a piece of the puzzle if Brady can reach him.

It is what it is.

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[n6249c]

It's en vogue to crap on the result of a logical decision and because of the undesired result, conclude the decision was illogical.

Doesn’t even have to be the observed outcome. Hypothetical outcome can suffice. Look at the criticism of taking the penalty on the KO instead of on the 2 point conversion try. Because what if that try failed?

 

[luuked]

Those excuses are now a huge backtrack from Dorsett has given "nothing to show through 2 teams".

Look, you wrote I gave nothing but opinion.

The fact is I gave you 2 cold hard facts and you've answered with nothing but opinion.

It is what it is.

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You didn't give any facts. The absence of any deep throws yesterday is not evidence of Brady being too injured to throw deep. This is just the interpretation you chose because it fits your point.

 

[luuked]

It's en vogue to crap on the result of a logical decision and because of the undesired result, conclude the decision was illogical.

Some will never learn that there is not much point to evaluate the outcome. What you need to evaluate is the process that made you make decision leading to this outcome.

 

[n6249c]

You’re referencing Deatrich Wise Jr. He was ticked off DURING the play, waving his arms over his head while running after the pass in the end zone. He was signaling “That ain’t kosher” from the get-go.

The only question I have is why didn’t Belichick throw the challenge flag if video evidence was so conclusive of the line before the snap. There must’ve been some other reason.

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Not going to win a challenge that depends on the league embarrassing itself.

Basically it came down to the officials screwing up and then having to decide which team was screwed as a result. What are the chances, when the choice is NEP or any other team?

 

[SBLIII]

Dorsett isn't very good and is getting passed by more talented players. has nothing to do with style or QB injury

 

[venecol]

NFL asking Pats for emails and texts in the filming of Bengals coaches backs on the sidelines. This isn't going to end well. What a joke.

 

[n6249c]

Holy cow! This is exactly my point. You're telling the Bills, "Hey, we're going to pass the ball!" You're telling me there's no advantage to keeping them guessing between pass and run???

Apparently not, or not enough, being as how they didn’t stop the pass despite that tip.

So try this thinking. BB knows he’s giving that tip to Buffalo, and decides that the importance of that is less than the advantage to the Pats of taking it on the KO.

Results show that was the case.

 

[n6249c]

I can't disagree with this more. A run from the 1 is much easier than a run from the 2. Down there, every yard is a struggle. We always see runners who fall on the goalline with a run from the 1.

But they weren’t going to run it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Those excuses are now a huge backtrack from Dorsett has given "nothing to show through 2 teams".

Look, you wrote I gave nothing but opinion.

The fact is I gave you 2 cold hard facts and you've answered with nothing but opinion. And yes, your earlier claim shows a remarkable forgetting of what Philip Dorsett did down the stretch last year and for the first part of this season. You may want to erase that from your memory, but the rest of saw it and remember quite well. Dude had 3 big TDs down the stretch for us last year and followed up with 5 already this year. You are inventing this story that he is somehow a nothingburger. He's a piece of the puzzle if Brady can reach him.

It is what it is.

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You're moving all around with these post. I'm not forgetting anything.

You said the guy is wide open. He's not nearly as open as you think despite the fact that he caught a few big TDs last year. He could do that again this year & it changes nothing.

The guy doesn't know how to win throughout the run. Release, in route, top of the route etc He's not winning enough on a consistent basis.

You brought 0 facts to your post & obviously can't judge arm strength bc Brady's is fine. His arm strength was never the problem. Ever.

It's also casual as hell to say we didn't throw deep = Brady's arm isn't there.

He's 1 of 11 guys on the field so there's a huge domino effect in terms of what you can do bc of the other players.

Not sure this has to be said again but NEP had a clear plan last night & executed it very well. Power run with misdirection in the backfield. Quick short/intermediate passes. It was all abt keeping Brady clean, moving the chains & keeping Buffalo guessing with motion & movement.