Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Bills

[RobertWeathers]

only 3 snaps for Dorsett yesterday. Seems like Meyers and Harry have surpassed him.

Harry looks better each week. He will be our secret weapon in the playoffs if he is fully comfortable. Just get the ball in the guys hands. He has that "gronk" type ability of being hard to tackle where guys are just bouncing off him trying to bring him down. He had a couple plays like that yesterday where a short gain turned into a large one because guys couldnt bring him down.

I'd still like to see Harry with some EZ targets. Maybe Josh is saving that card

 

[jah]

You’re referencing Deatrich Wise Jr. He was ticked off DURING the play, waving his arms over his head while running after the pass in the end zone. He was signaling “That ain’t kosher” from the get-go.

The only question I have is why didn’t Belichick throw the challenge flag if video evidence was so conclusive of the line before the snap. There must’ve been some other reason.

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Is that even challengeable? It falls into the realm of challenging a penalty/non penalty call.

 

[RIpats88]

I'd still like to see Harry with some EZ targets. Maybe Josh is saving that card

Yeah, I am surprised we havent seen more of the plays they ran for Josh gordon in the endzone to let him use his size/strength to either go up and get it or draw a Pass interference.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah, I am surprised we havent seen more of the plays they ran for Josh gordon in the endzone to let him use his size/strength to either go up and get it or draw a Pass interference.

Harry is a freaking beast.

Release the Kraken.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Sanu - D

1 Did not extend his arms out to pick up the 1st down on 3rd. Nevermind not running the route deep enough.
2 Did not block at all on the Harry sweep losing 1 yard on 4th. No effort.
3.Later in the game he did something stupid too. I dont recall what it was.

In trying to find a few good things he did in an overall rough game:

1)didn’t muff any punts. Scared the crap out of me on that high bounce but he caught it.
2)3rd and long catch to set up folks 51 yrdr.

That’s all I got.

 

[shmessy]

Is that even challengeable? It falls into the realm of challenging a penalty/non penalty call.

That’s why I asked. I’m not sure. However, it would be something that is not subjective, but completely objective on a replay.

 

[RIpats88]

sounds like the coaching staff really made it hard on Harry and he has responded positively. Which is a good sign. Means the guy is coachable, and we already see his physical talents.

 

[shmessy]

I've been banging the commitment to the run drum much of the season. However, the trick with commitment to the run is getting enough out of it to not make it a likely wasted down. You can't commit to the run when it means a lot of 3rd and 7s. Today, the median run (i.e., your typical play, not average - which gets skewed by those 18 and 25-yard gems) was 4.0 ypc (excluding kneeldowns). That's the result of good blocking, hard running, and a good scheme and play mix. Nobody is going to commit to the run when assignments are getting missed or the defense is ready and making stops, and the typical run gets you 2 ypc. The offensive line made major steps this game, and Elandon Roberts has arrived. He may not have figured out when to chip a DLman on his way through the hole like Devlin, but his guy is not making the tackle.

That last sentence is a great point! People don’t fully appreciate that effective blocking is more about TIMING than just brute strength.

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[RobertWeathers]

sounds like the coaching staff really made it hard on Harry and he has responded positively. Which is a good sign. Means the guy is coachable, and we already see his physical talents.

Not only coachable but coachable here.

Playing WR here is like free climbing.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

That’s why I asked. I’m not sure. However, it would be something that is not subjective, but completely onjective on a replay.

But what are you challenging? If both those Bills linemen reported to the refs the Bills didn’t do anything wrong. And 71 definitely did and it’s hard to imagine 73 didn’t. Since he was the one who scored the TD there’s no way the officials wouldn’t have thrown a flag if he hadn’t reported because as soon as they saw a 73 score they would have asked each other if he reported.

Actually that reminds me - since it was a score (let alone being in the last 2 min of a half) it was unchallengeable anyways.

 

[shmessy]

This post is just racist. Do better.

I agree and @Ian has been contacted about it.

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[shmessy]

JMO, but it was a mistake to go for it on 4th down on the 40 with a minute to go in the first half.

The Bills had two timeouts left, and it was a defensive battle. No need to take that risk, and give the Bills hope of going into the half tied. We were in control at that point.

The game shifted after that. Bill coached like he had a powerhouse offense.

But that was it for the bad. Great game plan, but next time in that situation they will pin the opponent back and go into the half with a touchdown lead.

I would agree if the Pats had an average D. IIRC, Buffalalo got the ball on their 40 with under a minute to go. Bb had confidence in his D in that situation and I hope he will going forward also. Just one play bad screwup by Gilmore and DMac who said in his postggame presser that he came back to the sideline saying”My bad fellas, we aren’t calling that coverage again”. So I’d call that one a rare outlier.

 

[shmessy]

Not only coachable but coachable here.

Playing WR here is like free climbing.

That is as good an analogy as I’ve seen.

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[1960Pats]

Was Gilmore even targeted today or did the Bills wisely stay away from him?

That's the final stage of being a shutdown corner, when they don't even try to go at you.

They targeted him for the long bomb to Brown.

 

[shmessy]

That defense gave up 24 points and 414 yards to a struggling offense. Buffalo was fortunate to hang around because their D couldn’t get off the field and they often got beat up at the LOS.

I’d also love to see the ToP stat from last night. Around the start of the 4th I began texting friends how the Buff D all had their hands on their hips between plays. They were gassed. The Pats were definitely using the SB 51 strategy to keep their D on the field as long as possible. Along with possible arm strength issues, that may also be a reason we did not see an in-air pass of over 15 yards at anytime from Brady last night.

Those punishing runs up the practice hill behind the stadium that BB tortures the team with becomes their greatest weapon late in the season.


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[Kontradiction]

You’re referencing Deatrich Wise Jr. He was ticked off DURING the play, waving his arms over his head while running after the pass in the end zone. He was signaling “That ain’t kosher” from the get-go.

The only question I have is why didn’t Belichick throw the challenge flag if video evidence was so conclusive of the line before the snap. There must’ve been some other reason.

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Because spot calls are the hardest ones to get overturned. As we saw a few weeks ago, it’s usually a waste of a challenge.

 

[TomPatriot]

Games go that way. Sometimes you're ready for what's thrown at you; sometimes you aren't. The Bills D looked way better than the Pats did against the Ravens in the first half, but couldn't hold-up in the 2nd half after giving-up a big play. They were competitive though.

While it's true that the Pats offense has been struggling, they played great yesterday. They made plays against a tough defense, going 50% on third down, fourth down, and in the red zone. You'd like them to be able to do better than that, but that was enough to dominate ToP and, with the defense making a big stop at the end, to overcome two TOs to win. The Bills aren't elite, but I count them among the 5 playoff caliber teams in the AFC playoffs capable of beating anyone.

I think the Bills are really good, a top 5 AFC team. But the score was closer than it should have been because the Pats offense was much better than the Bills D. Biggest difference compared to the game in Buffalo was smashed mouth football, some old style Giants football: keep the ball, beat them up in the box, wear them out. The Bills D was exhausted on the last drive, resulting in two missed arm tackles on Burkhead’s TD run.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is as good an analogy as I’ve seen.

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If the WR doesn't study the beta, go up the same crag and use the same cracks as the lead does and doesn't fight or use their brain they are left to die.

 

[TomPatriot]

I’d also love to see the ToP stat from last night. Around the start of the 4th I began texting friends how the Buff D all had their hands on their hips between plays. They were gassed. The Pats were definitely using the SB 51 strategy to keep their D on the field as long as possible.
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TOP was 39-21. Buffalo D was on the field for 68 plays, Pats D played 49.

To see how right you are watch the two missed tackles on the Burkhead TD.

 

[shmessy]

Sal Maiorana (@salmaiorana) | Twitter

The salt in his tweets...

Thanks for that. I just read his stream and I found him a very good read. He is quite a negative emoter about his team, but he went to great lengths to explain why before and during the game. He is actually very self-aware, so I can respect that. My dm favorite post of his was:
“His knee is broken, his brains are scrambled, and of course Edelman makes the big play. It’s exhausting.”

We do take #11 for granted here. There will never be another player quite like him.
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