Tua Tagovailoa injured today - considered serious

[RobertWeathers]

He went to Brooks school and led them to ISL championship, was a man among boys. He's #8 in the video of a high school game...

www.hudl.com/video/2/21176/57de0e2bbd752008cc595cc7

I played against his dad in NH HS basketball. They won the state championship his Sr year. I was a year behind. He could light it up. Scored 44 vs us

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Since I hate the NCAA and the hypocrisy of D1 coaching scum, and think that for the big sports “student athlete” is generally a total oxymoron, and am a free market supporter, I want no restrictions on what they can be paid. Make hay while the sun shines! Eff the schools and end their plantation mentality.

Also, no one says the schools have to pay anything. Just completely eliminate the preposterous ban on the athletes’ monetizing their names, likenesses, etc. Let’em sign contracts with Nike, EA, you name it. Way more of advertiser $$ should be going straight to the players instead of lining the pockets of coaches and parasitical school bureaucrats.

For a while I've had no issue with players being able to make money off their name but I also recognize how fast that would be abused. Recruiting would instantly become nothing more than which school's boosters could pay you the most to be in a commercial or make an appearence or something. The power schools would only get more powerful.

 

[Triumph]

Many have degrees, they just didn't do any work to obtain them, and they're usually in fields that aren't practical in any ways.

That is the reason why I stated "real degrees"

This isn't really their fault;

Yes, it is, but I get that casting blame elsewhere and refusing to take responsibility for ones own failures is en vogue in this day and age.

the schedule of a college football player isn't compatible with the schedule of a serious student. Which is the point that's been made throughout the thread.

Andrew Luck graduated with a degree from Stanford in architectural design. Richard Sherman graduated with a degree in communication. They must have been on a different schedule than all the players who fail to obtain "real degrees" There it is again in case you have forgot.

 

[borg]

OT:
Years ago, a relative of mine dated a football player at UCLA. Scholarship athletes were all given a NCAA-approved campus job to have spending money.
The job: to turn the campus sprinklers on and off daily.
Note: Campus sprinklers were on timers

Another relative is currently at a D1 school that is part of a major football conference. This relative’s roommate is dating an O lineman who always has cash. During pillow talk he claimed to his girlfriend that the school gives him $10k each year.
He’s not a starter.

 

[mikey m]

Let them earn money outside of "school" by marketing themselves.

That's as American as it gets.

Only took 4 seconds to think abt.

Ahhh downgraded your position to a defensible one. Respect. I agree.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

When it gets to 28-3, it's in the bag.

Oklahoma says to Baylor, " hold my beer".....and yes that was the score last night before Hurts turned it on....

 

[TN patriot fan]

I suspect that most of us need an arithmetic lesson, but that is for another day.

We need to look at the following and see what is at stake:

the total revenues to Division 1 schools from football, including all sources
annual payment to coaches
other cost of running a football program
the number of Division 1 players

The analysis has been done many time. We can review it in another thread in the offseason, or before if others are interested. It will be obvious that the colleges can easily afford to give players stipends at pay equivalent to part time jobs. Many players cannot afford to go home, or purchase the simplest of necessities. Obviously, this would be possible if they spent time at a part time job instead of funding the entire athletics programs of the schools, and ridiculous salaries for the coaches.

So it's worth nothing the fact that they already get a free education, and by virtue of such emerge from college in better shape financially than probably 99% of the rest of Americans? What do you think the average student loan debt is now?

Athletes also get advantages while in school that the rest of the country can only dream about. Free tutors, gourmet food, medical staff that would bankrupt the rest of us since we would have to pay for it, etc. What about the inherent advantages that the ones who don't go on to play their sport professionally enjoy when they go to look for a job, i.e. contacts and nepotism the like of which would make the 99% of us who didn't have that puke if we knew the extent of it?

Every other college student in America works a part-time or multiple part-time jobs, or sometimes a full-time job like I did for my final degree, in addition to going to school just in an attempt to lessen somewhat the mountain of student loan debt they have to accumulate to get the degree. This whole players-are-being-shafted narrative is just a lie.

The other argument made for paying players is that the schools are making a killing and cutting the players out of having a slice of the pie. The last I checked, there are a lot more nonprofit universities with big football programs than there are private ones. Most of the power schools walk a thin line every year with budget despite how much they take in. Many college coaches are paid too much; and they're paid peanuts compared to what the average back-up player in the NFL makes. All that gourmet food and free tutoring and trainers etc. doesn't come for free - it gets paid for by the money those programs take in.

Have you ever seen photos of Alabama's football training facility? What do you think paid for all that ridiculous opulence? How much every month do you think the school is still paying for that building? Would the athletes be happy with having a doublewide trailer for their training facility in exchange for getting paid? Because the money has to come from somewhere. If hundreds of millions a year suddenly has to go to paying the players, that money won't just magically appear in new revenue.

Bottom line: college athletes, especially football players, get to live on a level while they're in school that most Americans will never even experience for one day, much less four years. They get a degree for free that costs the rest of us anywhere between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands depending on how good of an institution we try to attend. They get advantages for the rest of their lives in forging a career that 99% of the rest of the country can't even dream of. I think in sum, that's enough.

It's terrible what happened to Tua, and I pray that he will be completely healed and still have a great career. Even if he never plays again he has already had a better life, and will have a better life, than most.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think the bigger argument on the against side is the potential for corruption and buying players.

They already do in a way. College recruiting stories are fascinating.

 

[Ring 6]

They already do in a way. College recruiting stories are fascinating.

Right but at least they can try to monitor investigate and penalize. If you allow them to directly pay players it would seem the abuses would be more severe and unchecked.

 

[pheenix11]

This is just sad. One of those injuries that just makes you uncomfortable even hearing about it. Absolutely brutal.

Hope the kid recovers as well as he can.

 

[primetime]

Andrew Luck graduated with a degree from Stanford in architectural design. Richard Sherman graduated with a degree in communication. They must have been on a different schedule than all the players who fail to obtain "real degrees" There it is again in case you have forgot.

Finding a couple exceptions and stating they should be the rule is asinine. Bill Gates dropped out of college, should we tell people to drop out in the expectation of becoming Bill Gates?

 

[primetime]

I don't know how anyone could argue that it's not stupid as **** that you have to go to college for three years to play in the NFL. Even if you're narrowly against paying college athletes, the fact that there's no alternative path like there is with basketball or hockey is dumb as hell. With all the handwringing about educations, you'd think people would have more respect for the academy than that.

 

[BelichickFan]

I suspect that most of us need an arithmetic lesson, but that is for another day.

We need to look at the following and see what is at stake:

the total revenues to Division 1 schools from football, including all sources
annual payment to coaches
other cost of running a football program
the number of Division 1 players

Your argument has a huge flaw. "From football".

You are correct if you just factor in the two money making sports. Other than men's basketball and football they're money losers. But sport and gender equality will mandate that "payments" will be equal. That will lead to cancellation of many sports. So you will end up cancelling many sports to satisfy the few that are worthy of being paid. Not a good solution. The only workable solution is to let players go pro any time they want (no 3 year rule). That would really hurt college football and hurt a lot of careers (players going pro way before they're ready) but the other solutions aren't realistic. Go ahead, do the math.

 

[Ring 6]

Finding a couple exceptions and stating they should be the rule is asinine. Bill Gates dropped out of college, should we tell people to drop out in the expectation of becoming Bill Gates?

But we certainly should diminish the implicit necessity of going to college. I would estimate 80% of people who go to college only go because it’s a prerequisite to getting a better job, which college has zero impact on the ability to do.

 

[fightingirish595]

C'mon you have to know what I mean?

You're buying a #12 Michigan jersey, it's pretty clear who/why you're getting that specific one.

Your post said w/their last name on it. So my post was in reference to that.
The name changes everything.

 

[primetime]

But we certainly should diminish the implicit necessity of going to college. I would estimate 80% of people who go to college only go because it’s a prerequisite to getting a better job, which college has zero impact on the ability to do.

...yeah, I mean I posted about that above. Forcing football players to go to college for three years to play in the NFL is stupid as hell, not just because of the pay issue but because it devalues the academy.

I think there's value in a higher education, obviously, but I would've gotten more out of it at 28 than I did at 18, and I think everyone would get more out of it if they put it off.

 

[PlanB]

if you allow athletes to derive income from endorsements, who will negotiate the contracts? The 19 year old kid or Mom and Uncle Mike, none of whom probably have any experience in this arena. Is it the university, agents, ???

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

C'mon you have to know what I mean?

You're buying a #12 Michigan jersey, it's pretty clear who/why you're getting that specific one.

Brady wore #10 at Michigan

 

[Ring 6]

...yeah, I mean I posted about that above. Forcing football players to go to college for three years to play in the NFL is stupid as hell, not just because of the pay issue but because it devalues the academy.

I think there's value in a higher education, obviously, but I would've gotten more out of it at 28 than I did at 18, and I think everyone would get more out of it if they put it off.

I’m not just talking about football players. we Have reached a point where it’s assumed that you must go to college to get a good job, and the vast majority of people learn nothing in college that helps them be better at their job (obviously specialized areas are direct preparation to a career but that is a small percentage)
There are many areas of study that simply don’t lead to careers, or do for only a small proportion of students.
We have created a multi billion dollar industry that has kids pay up to 200,000 to get a history degree because it’s perceived they have to have a degree. 4 years of work would teach them an awful lot more that would make them successful.

 

[primetime]

I’m not just talking about football players. we Have reached a point where it’s assumed that you must go to college to get a good job, and the vast majority of people learn nothing in college that helps them be better at their job (obviously specialized areas are direct preparation to a career but that is a small percentage)
There are many areas of study that simply don’t lead to careers, or do for only a small proportion of students.
We have created a multi billion dollar industry that has kids pay up to 200,000 to get a history degree because it’s perceived they have to have a degree. 4 years of work would teach them an awful lot more that would make them successful.

Andy, I know you can't pass up an argument but the post you quoted here was agreeing with you, but attempting to stay reasonably on-topic in the football forum.