Tua Tagovailoa injured today - considered serious

[Patsfanin Philly]

That would be Pat Freiermuth, and I can't imagine why.

Penn State TE Pat Freiermuth draws Rob Gronkowski comparisons

He went to Brooks school and led them to ISL championship, was a man among boys. He's #8 in the video of a high school game...

www.hudl.com/video/2/21176/57de0e2bbd752008cc595cc7

 

[everlong]

All I could think when I saw this injury was Bo Jackson. I hope it's not career ending like that. Yes Bo played some baseball but he was never the same guy. We were all robbed from seeing what he could have been. I hope this kid doesn't suffer the same fate.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The main argument for paying:

—They bring the schools millions of dollars and deserve something, especially when many are broke. Look at the kid from OSU who was suspended for two games for borrowing and paying back money to fly his girlfriend out to the bowl game.

The main argument for NOT paying:

—They’re getting a totally FREE education, which can often be a six figure deal. No student loans for the next 20 years (mine are $962 per month, with hundreds of dollars a month going to interest) is a pretty big deal. Yes, some of these athletes are going to go on to become professional athletes, but most NCAA student athletes don’t end up getting paid as a pro, so the idea of getting a free ride with zero student debt is more appealing than some realize. It’s not like they’re getting nothing in return. 25 grand a year that goes toward school is fairly significant for teenagers/early twenties.

Personally, I can see both sides, but ultimately feel as though they should receive some type of monthly stipend in addition to the free education.

You pretty much summed it up but there is one other aspect not considered. For these athletes, playing the sport is almost a full time job. One of my son's friends got a full lacrosse scholarship to a Division 1 school. After two years he gave it up ( he was a starter) and transferred to another school where he had to take out some loans ( not a lot). Why? He wanted to be a college student and enjoy it. He was practicing and in meeting 40 hours per week in addition to studying and taking a normal class load. Kid played club lacrosse at his new school and enjoyed it..
Kids get a free education but schools get athletes who can't work or they violate NCAA rules.. There has to be a change but I'm not sure what it is....but you're right, give the kids some stipend...

 

[RobertWeathers]

All I could think when I saw this injury was Bo Jackson. I hope it's not career ending like that. Yes Bo played some baseball but he was never the same guy. We were all robbed from seeing what he could have been. I hope this kid doesn't suffer the same fate.

Bo's injury was a sports tragedy.

Can't describe it any other way.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Bo's injury was a sports tragedy.

Can't describe it any other way.

Much like Tony Conigliaro's a generation earlier.....

Youngest guy to lead the league in home tuns and youngest American Leaguer to 100 home runs, local kid who made good....Never really recovered from the beaning and languished in a coma for years after a heart attack in the 1980's....

 

[Triumph]

Once you have started paying college athletes you have opened a Pandoras box. Whats to stop the side hustle to lure the top recruit to your school? Why shouldn't the Right Guard get paid when the star Running Back is? Screw playing the OL or DL when QB,RB, WR and TE is where the money is. Paying college players totally destroys any aspect of a team sport.

Do you actually believe that womens sports will take paying for male sports sitting down?

 

[Triumph]

I am a Gator and I can tell you I had many classes with football players who wouldn't show up half the time or sleep/chilled out when they did. It is a joke like you say.

After their football career is over they have no degree to fall back on.

The NFL player with the real college degree should be the pinnacle to strive for.

 

[bormio]

Bo's injury was a sports tragedy.

Can't describe it any other way.

But Bo’s life has been anything but. What an athlete - good at almost anything he takes up

 

[Triumph]

C'mon you have to know what I mean?

You're buying a #12 Michigan jersey, it's pretty clear who/why you're getting that specific one.

Oscar "Paddy" Lambert ?

 

[RobertWeathers]

But Bo’s life has been anything but. What an athlete - good at almost anything he takes up

He sure has.

I guess now he's an expert-level archer.

 

[bormio]

He sure has.

I guess now he's an expert-level archer.

Bo started “Bo bikes Bama” to raise $ for tornado-damaged communities. Seeing Bo riding a bicycle is quite the image.

 

[DarrylS]

You’re probably right, although much like Belichick, Saban pointed to the importance of practicing the two minute drill before the half and said that Tua wanted to get as many reps as possible.

It’s definitely a call that’s going to be criticized, and perhaps rightfully so, but it’s so darned difficult to go against football geniuses like Belichick or Saban.

Really not questioning what Saban did, was watching this game from a bar with no sound.. I think I saw the back up warming up when they had scored 35 points.. I thought TUA was done for the day, but he back on the field and stuff happened.

 

[primetime]

After their football career is over they have no degree to fall back on.

The NFL player with the real college degree should be the pinnacle to strive for.

Many have degrees, they just didn't do any work to obtain them, and they're usually in fields that aren't practical in any ways. This isn't really their fault; the schedule of a college football player isn't compatible with the schedule of a serious student. Which is the point that's been made throughout the thread.

Frankly the best way to do things would be to totally disentangle the academy from sports altogether, a la European soccer or Major Juniors in hockey (or the Euro route in basketball). Youth teams and academies just make sense versus the weird marriage of "amateur" minor leagues and universities. But the NFL would never go for it it, the NCAA is a free minor league, and football players have no other options unlike guys in other sports, and on top of that football players have the longest wait - hockey, baseball, and basketball players can turn pro at 18. I guess the XFL is trying to be one...

 

[Ring 6]

I suspect that most of us need an arithmetic lesson, but that is for another day.

We need to look at the following and see what is at stake:

the total revenues to Division 1 schools from football, including all sources
annual payment to coaches
other cost of running a football program
the number of Division 1 players

The analysis has been done many time. We can review it in another thread in the offseason, or before if others are interested. It will be obvious that the colleges can easily afford to give players stipends at pay equivalent to part time jobs. Many players cannot afford to go home, or purchase the simplest of necessities. Obviously, this would be possible if they spent time at a part time job instead of funding the entire athletics programs of the schools, and ridiculous salaries for the coaches.

Don’t they have work/study jobs?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Since I hate the NCAA and the hypocrisy of D1 coaching scum, and think that for the big sports “student athlete” is generally a total oxymoron, and am a free market supporter, I want no restrictions on what they can be paid. Make hay while the sun shines! Eff the schools and end their plantation mentality.

Also, no one says the schools have to pay anything. Just completely eliminate the preposterous ban on the athletes’ monetizing their names, likenesses, etc. Let’em sign contracts with Nike, EA, you name it. Way more of advertiser $$ should be going straight to the players instead of lining the pockets of coaches and parasitical school bureaucrats.

 

[Ring 6]

The main argument for paying:

—They bring the schools millions of dollars and deserve something, especially when many are broke. Look at the kid from OSU who was suspended for two games for borrowing and paying back money to fly his girlfriend out to the bowl game.

The main argument for NOT paying:

—They’re getting a totally FREE education, which can often be a six figure deal. No student loans for the next 20 years (mine are $962 per month, with hundreds of dollars a month going to interest) is a pretty big deal. Yes, some of these athletes are going to go on to become professional athletes, but most NCAA student athletes don’t end up getting paid as a pro, so the idea of getting a free ride with zero student debt is more appealing than some realize. It’s not like they’re getting nothing in return. 25 grand a year that goes toward school is fairly significant for teenagers/early twenties.

Personally, I can see both sides, but ultimately feel as though they should receive some type of monthly stipend in addition to the free education.

I think the bigger argument on the against side is the potential for corruption and buying players.

 

[BTTA]

Don’t they have work/study jobs?

Not scholarship athletes. Their schedules are much too full for that. Plus, there is a class system in place for financial aid, and work/study students are at the bottom of it. Athletic departments wouldn't let that happen because it would make recruiting, which is highly competitive, impossible.

 

[Ring 6]

Not scholarship athletes. Their schedules are much too full for that. Plus, there is a class system in place for financial aid, and work/study students are at the bottom of it. Athletic departments wouldn't let that happen because it would make recruiting, which is highly competitive, impossible.

I was under the impression they got no shoe work study jobs. I don’t know. Like in the movie Fast Break where his job was to “turn on” the sprinklers on the football field, that were automatic.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

So what is the point where you take players out ? Is 28-7 enough ? How about 21-7 ?

When it gets to 28-3, it's in the bag.

 

[BTTA]

Since I hate the NCAA and the hypocrisy of D1 coaching scum, and think that for the big sports “student athlete” is generally a total oxymoron, and am a free market supporter, I want no restrictions on what they can be paid. Make hay while the sun shines! Eff the schools and end their plantation mentality.

Also, no one says the schools have to pay anything. Just completely eliminate the preposterous ban on the athletes’ monetizing their names, likenesses, etc. Let’em sign contracts with Nike, EA, you name it. Way more of advertiser $$ should be going straight to the players instead of lining the pockets of coaches and parasitical school bureaucrats.