Patriots activate WR N'Keal Harry off IR

[Ring 6]

i hear you, but I see it differently. Last year, by necessity, they changed up and went heavy running to win it all. Excellent move by the coaching staff.

this year’s formula, IMO, is « the defense will win the game - so don’t screw it up ». Therefore, I want low risk plays and the ball should go to the most trustworthy players. At this point, I see it like this :

1. Edelman
2. White

Then, after those two options, they can run it, they can chuck it to Dorsett at times, and then anything Sanu & Harry can do is awesome. As long as they learn the playbook, get TB’s trust, and make a few key plays, this team can go all the way.

We will have to disagree. I am not seeing any of that.
Last year they threw as much as ever but had playoff games where they ran successfully so the running game got more play. I did not see a philosophical change.

I do agree that IN SITUATIONS WHERE the defense is dominating you obviously play safer football, but I disagree that it’s a game plan for the offense to rely on the defense. Early in games we are aggressive and if games are close I think we will continue to be.

finally regardless of whether you want to throw short inside the numbers you still have to play your outside the numbers threat or else you beg them to take away what you want to do.

Ultimately I guess we will see.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't want to overanalyze Brady's words, but all that seems a bit cynical/negative of him to say. None of what Brady said is objectively untrue, but the tone and choice of words seems fairly cynical.

To harp on all the time Harry has missed and then flip things back to him, by essentially saying, 'we're here to help but you've gotta figure this sh*t out on your own, kid' isn't exactly uplifting or inspiring. Not a single mention of any improvement or positive steps Brady has seen from Harry.

Brady presents himself (especially over the past 5'ish years) as an enlightened, uplifting, positive person. Wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of that when discussing his rookie WRs. He had similarly unsavory words when discussing Meyers and Gunner earlier this season.

For whatever reason Brady seems to have some low-key, simmering resentment for rookie WRs. He seems to come across as more positive when discussing newcomers who are veterans, like Gordon, Sanu, and AB, for instance.

To me it sounds like a good message for a veteran leader to send to a young player who missed half the season.
Happy you are here, but you are behind and need to work your butt off.

 

[venecol]

Each play has progressions based upon the pre snap read.
If the first option is open, he gets the ball.
If not he goes to option 2, etc.
he isn’t watching all 5 receivers and deciding who to throw to, the play call dictates where you go.
If McDaniels sends in plays all day where WrX is always the 4th or 5th read he isnt getting that ball much.

Ummm, I think you just proved the point in my original post. Thanks

 

[catent]

To me it sounds like a good message for a veteran leader to send to a young player who missed half the season.
Happy you are here, but you are behind and need to work your butt off.

Yeah, I guess. But it's not like Harry missed half the season because of his own doing - he got injured, which is entirely out of his hands.

By that same token, Brady could choose to present similar messages when discussing newly added veteran WRs, yet he tends to take a more optimistic tone in those instances.

Don't think Brady was out of line by any means, but his tone and choice of words when discussing rookie WRs is noticeable when contrasted to him discussing veteran newcomers.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Gunner should be inactive and both Meyers/Harry active. Pats need to spread the field and clobber these black birds to submission. Enough of the ***** footing around.

Jules can handle the punt returns in this one. Need as many weapons on offense as possible.

 

[Ring 6]

Ummm, I think you just proved the point in my original post. Thanks

Not sure why you would think that. It is possible for a QB to refuse to throw the ball to a player but I’ve never seen Tom Brady do that. And everything I’ve ever seen Brady do is follow his progressions.
doing your job and executing the play isn’t a prima Dona, which you inexplicably called the GOAT.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, I guess. But it's not like Harry missed half the season because of his own doing - he got injured, which is entirely out of his hands.

By that same token, Brady could choose to present similar messages when discussing newly added veteran WRs, yet he tends to take a more optimistic tone in those instances.

Don't think Brady was out of line by any means, but his tone and choice of words when discussing rookie WRs is noticeable when contrasted to him discussing veteran newcomers.

I think it should be.
If you are the leader of whatever you do, would you communicate the exact same way to a new employee with a great track record and years of experience as you would to a new hire hot shot with no experience?

And above all we are talking about offhand remarks on a press conference which probably represents about 1% of Brady’s communication with Harry.
I think sometimes we are so curious to u defat we what goes on inside that we pretend the small nugget we get represents a lot more than it really does.

 

[patfanken]

This news was fully expected and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Phil Perry had an interesting take on the Pats WR group. He opined that if you take a close look at it, the WR group is now probably the most talented group on the offensive side of the ball. Given all the disruption, movement, and anxiety we've had at that position this season, that is a surprising and IRONIC. Perry thinks that because the WR group is now so talented, we will see much more 4 wide/spread formations coming from the Pats for the rest of the year.

It was an interesting take IMHO. It's also one I think is valid. Without the 2 fullbacks we lost, and lack of talent AND blocking at TE, it will be hard to line up and run a power running attack like we were able to do last season even IF we get Wynn back and fix the rest of the OL

So what do the Pats do in situations like this. They work with the talent that they have. So instead of being a predominately power run/play action team. They will be more 4 wide/draw team that uses their RBs as receivers more than runners, and runs will come off of passing looks rather than passes come off of run looks.

That is what will make this game with the Ravens that much more interesting, since their respective offenses would be polar opposites of each other.

 

[BobDigital]

No, Brady should request that Harry be active and Meyers inactive, so that Harry doesn't get frozen out.

Then when we are in a set that requires WR's, Brady should request that Harry be in the game, while we sit Edelman or Sanu or Dorsett.

Really?

Folks can do the analysis. The vast majority of our sets require 2 or 3 WR's. I want us to ALMOST always use our top 3 wideouts. When we need 4 or 5 receivers, my general preference would be White and Watson.

Meyers has got lots of reps because of injuries. I suppose folks want harry instead, so that he can develop and Meyers can veg out on the inactive bench.

I'm not saying they should force the ball to Harry, but give him some looks, particularly after the bye. If he doesn't get many looks this game that's fine. Beating Baltimore at this point is just too important. It give the Patriots a 3 game lead on nearly everyone in the AFC with just 7 games left to play.

That being said, seeing what Harry can do and getting him on the same page with Brady is bigger than 1 game. It is about getting this offense as good as it can get for the playoffs. Harry and Sanu are 2 guys who can help take this offense to a level we haven't seen yet this year IF they can get it going with Brady. To do that you need in game experience together not just practice.

 

[venecol]

Not sure why you would think that. It is possible for a QB to refuse to throw the ball to a player but I’ve never seen Tom Brady do that. And everything I’ve ever seen Brady do is follow his progressions.
doing your job and executing the play isn’t a proms Dona, which you inexplicably called the GOAT.

Listen, I didn't come to this forum to argue. OK?
You obviously missed my point entirely, so we'll just have to disagree. OK?
I'm not interested in trying to win some online argument just to look cool in front of the rest of the forum. Capisci?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Don't want to overanalyze Brady's words, but all that seems a bit cynical/negative of him to say. None of what Brady said is objectively untrue, but the tone and choice of words seems fairly cynical.

To harp on all the time Harry has missed and then flip things back to him, by essentially saying, 'we're here to help but you've gotta figure this sh*t out on your own, kid' isn't exactly uplifting or inspiring. Not a single mention of any improvement or positive steps Brady has seen from Harry.

Brady’s beginning to develop Marinoism/Gooberism in his old age

 

[SBLIII]

Yeah, I guess. But it's not like Harry missed half the season because of his own doing - he got injured, which is entirely out of his hands.

By that same token, Brady could choose to present similar messages when discussing newly added veteran WRs, yet he tends to take a more optimistic tone in those instances.

Don't think Brady was out of line by any means, but his tone and choice of words when discussing rookie WRs is noticeable when contrasted to him discussing veteran newcomers.

Very good observation.

 

[Hyped]

 

[Ring 6]

This news was fully expected and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Phil Perry had an interesting take on the Pats WR group. He opined that if you take a close look at it, the WR group is now probably the most talented group on the offensive side of the ball. Given all the disruption, movement, and anxiety we've had at that position this season, that is a surprising and IRONIC. Perry thinks that because the WR group is now so talented, we will see much more 4 wide/spread formations coming from the Pats for the rest of the year.

It was an interesting take IMHO. It's also one I think is valid. Without the 2 fullbacks we lost, and lack of talent AND blocking at TE, it will be hard to line up and run a power running attack like we were able to do last season even IF we get Wynn back and fix the rest of the OL

So what do the Pats do in situations like this. They work with the talent that they have. So instead of being a predominately power run/play action team. They will be more 4 wide/draw team that uses their RBs as receivers more than runners, and runs will come off of passing looks rather than passes come off of run looks.

That is what will make this game with the Ravens that much more interesting, since their respective offenses would be polar opposites of each other.

I think you may start to see a lot more spread formations to RUN from.
The OL is struggling to run block. The TEs have struggled. There is no FB. Michel has many times been trapped in the backfield and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a RB get tackled by multiple players more often. He is running against a brick wall way too often.
When you play big you make the defense play big. This version of the patriots can’t win those battles often enough.
If you spread the field, lighten the box and make the play more reliant on 2 blocks than 4 you open things up. Your RB will often have to beat a man but much less often have no where to go.
We have started using Michel as a receiver and I think this may be what we evolve to. And I don’t mean 100% of the time but I’d we run 4 wide 25-30 times a game and run out of it 10-15 I think we would have a lot of success

 

[Ring 6]

Listen, I didn't come to this forum to argue. OK?
You obviously missed my point entirely, so we'll just have to disagree. OK?
I'm not interested in trying to win some online argument just to look cool in front of the rest of the forum. Capisci?

Sounds good to me.
I was just trying to get on the same page, but if it’s going to result in arguing, I agree it’s time to move on.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brady’s beginning to develop Marinoism/Gooberism in his old age

Next thing you know he'll ***** if he doesn't make the early bird prime rib special at 430pm.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Not sure why you would think that. It is possible for a QB to refuse to throw the ball to a player but I’ve never seen Tom Brady do that. And everything I’ve ever seen Brady do is follow his progressions.
doing your job and executing the play isn’t a proms Dona, which you inexplicably called the GOAT.

Brady absolutely has had streaks of forcing the ball to certain players particularly post-Moss. And if you’re forcing the ball you are refusing to throw to a player and are not going through the progressions.

And let’s not forget that on the SB52 game-ending strip sack he had White wide open for an easy first down but chose to hold onto it to go to a more covered receiver downfield.

 

[venecol]

This news was fully expected and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Phil Perry had an interesting take on the Pats WR group. He opined that if you take a close look at it, the WR group is now probably the most talented group on the offensive side of the ball. Given all the disruption, movement, and anxiety we've had at that position this season, that is a surprising and IRONIC. Perry thinks that because the WR group is now so talented, we will see much more 4 wide/spread formations coming from the Pats for the rest of the year.

It was an interesting take IMHO. It's also one I think is valid. Without the 2 fullbacks we lost, and lack of talent AND blocking at TE, it will be hard to line up and run a power running attack like we were able to do last season even IF we get Wynn back and fix the rest of the OL

So what do the Pats do in situations like this. They work with the talent that they have. So instead of being a predominately power run/play action team. They will be more 4 wide/draw team that uses their RBs as receivers more than runners, and runs will come off of passing looks rather than passes come off of run looks.

That is what will make this game with the Ravens that much more interesting, since their respective offenses would be polar opposites of each other.

Phil Perry is a Barry White wannabe, what does he know about football?

 

[SBLIII]

Phil Perry is a Barry White wannabe, what does he know about football?

That's a compliment to Phil perry

 

[PatsWSB47]

Why does it always take so long for Brady to get in tune with his receivers? Sanders played 9 days after being traded to SF and balled out. Drake just arrived at Arizona and also balled out (162 yds from scrimmage).

WTF is it about Brady that he's so F picky. He doesn't seem to take advantage of players natural talents, but rather things need to fit into a prescribed play/role. How many times have we seen receivers wide open that TB doesn't even look at.

I love Tom and get that he's the Goat and all, but GD he sometimes seems like a prima donna.

Maybe because the Brady prescribed role play style gets him to a superbowl 5 times more often than the next best teams do using the natural ability style?