Pats beat Sox again

[Red_Sox_Fan]

No comparison. Wakefield would prove today. It is Rex Sox nation.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

No, it's not all about Boston.

Who cares what 650,000 urban Menino voters think?

The OP did. Personally, I don't, really - just pointing out that his reasoning is fallacious. The fact that we really want something to be true doesn't make it so. All I know for sure is that in my house, we flip to the Sox game only when the Pats game goes to commercial.

more people watch the pats than the red sox, those are the facts you can put your spins on it all day long, the rangers out draw the cowboys to, so does that make the rangers more popular?i dont think so, football is the number one sport in america and it is in boston to, im done

WHOOSH...that's the sound of pretty much everything in this thread going over your head.

(Many thanks to shmessy for letting me bang on this, even though he may not agree)

 

[Rob0729]

I think comparing a regualr season football game and a game in the ALCS is a fair comparison. It is a playoff game. I don't care if it is a best of seven series, it is the playoffs and the conference championships vs. a regular season game. There may be only 16 regular season Patriots games, but at most there are only seven ALCS games and the Red Sox don't play in it every year. Did anyone last season skip the first quarter of the AFC Championship game vs. the Colts because it was only one of four quarters?

The fact of the matter is there is next to no disparity between Red Sox and Patriots fans anymore. The fans who listen to WEEI may skew Red Sox and the old guard of the media definitely skews Red Sox. You got Ryan, The Red Headed Stepchild, Buckley, etc. as the Red Sox media while the Patriots media tend to skew much younger and rely more on the Internet to communicate to fans like Reiss and Tomase.

 

[shmessy]

(Many thanks to shmessy for letting me bang on this, even though he may not agree)

No thanks necessary, man. We don't censor based on opposing views. If everybody always agreed, it would be boring. We delete posts just as much for people we agree with as with people we disagree with.

I disagree with your point of view on this subject, but I haven't seen you resort to namecalling, trolling, etc., so keep on truckin'!

 

[shmessy]

No comparison. Wakefield would prove today. It is Rex Sox nation.

Yeah? How'd that work out for ya?

 

[Tunescribe]

Yeah? How'd that work out for ya?

Notice he said "Rex" Sox nation. I have no idea what that means, but for all we know he could be right. I'm guessing he meant to write "vex" or "vexed," as in being upset when Wakefield coughed up a hairball, as expected. Anyway, with any luck all this nonsense will come to a merciful end Thursday night.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

He said "Rex" Sox nation. I have no idea what that means, but for all we know he's right. Anyway, with any luck all this nonsense will come to a merciful end Thursday night.

"Rex Sox" means "King Sox," which obviously refers to the mutant hybrid of the Red Sox, White Sox, and the Baltimore Black Sox from the old Negro league. He is asserting that this terrifying mutant is the true power behind the U.S. Government, which is a well-established fact.

 

[alamo]

pats did a 60 share sunday, sox did a 50 share friday and saturday, this is for all you people who still believe the media that this is a baseball town, facts are the facts, and the number of games argument is out the window with the playoffs

Facts are facts? You haven't given us the facts. Your post is quite possibly misleading and wrong.

"share" numbers mean nothing when comparing different time periods. Tell us the actual ratings and number of actual viewers! I see you provide no actual proof to back up your numbers. I couldn't find a source for Red Sox numbers from Friday and Saturday.

Don't a lot more people watch TV Friday night than Sunday afternoon? Couldn't more people locally have actually watched the Red Sox than the Patriots, despite what you posted?

I will defer judgement on whether the Patriots are actually the bigger draw until I see the real numbers.

 

[njpatsfan]

You would think that someone that was thrashed on a similar thread LAST week wouldn't show their face THIS week, but I guess hope springs eternal.

Let's look at ticket sales, too, then. Facts are facts, after all.

And your point is ........ ? Every year, the Pittsburgh Pirates have a larger gate than the Pittsburgh Steelers. Does that make Pittsburgh a "Pirates" town ? This is a silly and nonsensical argument.

The "fact" of the matter is simply this: given a Red Sox American League Championship Series game, and a Patriots regular season game in the same weekend, more New England fans watched the Patriots - by a wide margin.

I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but I think that there is no doubt now that the Patriots have far eclipsed the Red Sox as the favorite sons of New England Sports fans.

Now if we could only get the Globe to provide more Patriots coverage and less coverage of Papi's groceries. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

R

 

[ChoWZa]

Facts are facts? You haven't given us the facts. Your post is quite possibly misleading and wrong.

"share" numbers mean nothing when comparing different time periods. Tell us the actual ratings and number of actual viewers! I see you provide no actual proof to back up your numbers. I couldn't find a source for Red Sox numbers from Friday and Saturday.

Don't a lot more people watch TV Friday night than Sunday afternoon? Couldn't more people locally have actually watched the Red Sox than the Patriots, despite what you posted?

I will defer judgement on whether the Patriots are actually the bigger draw until I see the real numbers.

Exactly. Until there are numbers this thread is a hypothetical on IF the Patriots had higher ratings than the Red Sox. Also add in the number of people watching the red sox game on MLB TV.

The underlying issue for patsgo, the same as the last time he posted is that he is a Yankees fan and is trying to prove (without proof) that the Yankees fans are more faithful or "better" fans than the Red Sox fans. He doesn't say that because that would derail the thread.

I will be watching game 5 tomorrow to see if Beckett can bring the series back to Boston.

IF the Red Sox series goes to a game 7 on Sunday and the game airs at the same time as the Patriots then you can compare, but only compare ratings in the New England area. Why factor in how many Dolphins, and Indians fans are watching the game?

In that scenario I will be watching both games, but primarily the red sox because I know its a game the Patriots are going to win big anyway, but then is this even a fair comparison?

If you want to do this right see what percent of the new england area watched the red sox playoff game(not during football) on a non-elimination game vs the percent of yankee fans who watched a yankees playoff game (not during a football game)and a non-elimination game. The numbers will not be skewed by the fact that New England football is much better than New York, or the overall ratings which include opposing teams, or the number of yankees vs red sox fans who do not live in the area. Then your hidden argument may have some merit or value.

 

[zoostation]

No comparison. Wakefield would prove today. It is Rex Sox nation.

Let's go Tribe!

 

[shmessy]

IF the Red Sox series goes to a game 7 on Sunday and the game airs at the same time as the Patriots then you can compare, but only compare ratings in the New England area. Why factor in how many Dolphins, and Indians fans are watching the game?

So you want to compare an ALCS Game 7 versus a mid season NFL game against an 0-6 team? Nice.

Actually we had a head-to-head game night four weeks ago. Pats-Bolts DESTROYED Sox-Yanks (with Clemens vs. Shilling) even in the Boston TV ratings.

If you want to believe the Boston Globe propoganda machine, go ahead. But their active campaign (and, yes, it IS a campaign) is losing steam to the overwhelming big story of the Patriots (although, I'm sure they'll still fight it next week with a myriad of lifestyle stories of how Papelbon's wife folds laundry and packs suitcases for their move back home for the offseason).

 

[Tunescribe]

Let's go Tribe!

Let's all meet at this thread for a Desperate Housewives elimination party Thursday night. :singing: :singing: :singing: :singing:

 

[shmessy]

So you want to compare an ALCS Game 7 versus a mid season NFL game against an 0-6 team? Nice.

Followup: In that case, if the Pats get better ratings that day, it would be as much of an upset if, say, a team with an $80 million payroll beat a team with a $145 million payroll.

Ooops!

 

[Maroney TD]

The Patriots are playing the 6th game of the season against a non-conference opponent. Not that important.

I'm a fan of both teams but lets not be ridiculous. The Pats-Cowboys game was the highest rated regular season game since 1996. Thats nationally, not locally.

The NFL is a lot more popular than MLB for a number of reasons. One is that there are fewer games so you don't miss any. I'm a bigger Sox fan than Pats fan but I don't miss a Pats game while I miss plenty of Sox games. Another is gambling and fantasy football, which is a larger percent than most people think. I'm not doubting that the Pats are more popular than the Sox but I think it has more to do with the overall popularity of the NFL.

 

[Slagathor]

Let's all meet at this thread for a Desperate Housewives elimination party Thursday night. :singing: :singing: :singing: :singing:

I'll bring the trail mix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[shmessy]

I'm a fan of both teams but lets not be ridiculous. The Pats-Cowboys game was the highest rated regular season game since 1996. Thats nationally, not locally.

The NFL is a lot more popular than MLB for a number of reasons. One is that there are fewer games so you don't miss any. I'm a bigger Sox fan than Pats fan but I don't miss a Pats game while I miss plenty of Sox games. Another is gambling and fantasy football, which is a larger percent than most people think. I'm not doubting that the Pats are more popular than the Sox but I think it has more to do with the overall popularity of the NFL.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with 4.5 hour baseball games filled with about 12 minutes of action and 258 minutes of fidgeting and scratching by millionaires with guaranteed contracts?

 

[Maroney TD]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with 4.5 hour baseball games filled with about 12 minutes of action and 258 minutes of fidgeting and scratching by millionaires with guaranteed contracts?

Oh I agree that football is obviously more exciting. Thats what I'm saying about the overall popularity of the NFL vs. MLB. And baseball games usually are in the 3-3.5 hour range.

 

[ChoWZa]

Followup: In that case, if the Pats get better ratings that day, it would be as much of an upset if, say, a team with an $80 million payroll beat a team with a $145 million payroll.

Ooops!

Okay so comparing the ratings of the NFL's two unbeaten teams is a fair comparison? Come on man are you that dense?

You think Dallas and New England were the only ones interested...

Its apples and oranges.

 

[shmessy]

Okay so comparing the ratings of the NFL's two unbeaten teams is a fair comparison? Come on man are you that dense?

You think Dallas and New England were the only ones interested...

Its apples and oranges.

1) Playoffs during primetime television period versus early season game at 4pm on a Sunday. If you know anything about the TV rating business, you'd know there is a big difference.

2) The ratings being noted were the ratings for the BOSTON media market. (The national TV ratings were even more lopsided)

3) The major Boston newspaper, the Boston Globe, continues to actively push their product and shove the Patriots to the side (Shaughnessy, MacMullan AND Ryan are all in Cleveland - - Ryan alone amongst the three columnists took a quick 36 hour sidetrip to Dallas and promptly complained loudly that he had trouble getting out of there on his way back to Cleveland). The Globe makes sure that there is always a 2-1 ratio of Sox to Pats coverage, yet, the new England fans still are enamored with the Pats.

4) So, it's not apples and oranges.........it's apples versus a raisin. And the raisin won.