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RUMOR? Patriots interest in AJ Green?

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Hooper is definitely better than Izzo or LaCosse. Would also be relatively cheap in terms of prorated salary but who knows if BB thinks he is a fit.

Should be also cheap in terms of draft pick. Doubt he would cost more than a fourth or maybe fifth (essentially what they'd get back as comp pick).

Izzo/Hooper could be a really nice paring in some situations.
 
Eifert looks slower than Old Man Gronk from last year. That guy's just a shell of his old self, taken way too much of a beating.
 
I think I'd prefer Eifert, but I'm not sure. He makes a lot less money, so he could make more sense just for that reason. Plus, we get Harry back soon so TE might be the bigger need.
Anyone know if he's a decent blocker?

We get Harry back? I might take that bet. I think Wynn and Develin are coming back, and the Pats can only activate TWO from the IR list.
 
I can’t see Brady even looking Harry’s way with how little Brady trusts rookies.
 
I never played Madden. I don't bet on games. I don't play fantasy football. I'm such an exciting guy.

Wynn's return goes a long way towards taking care of the OL.

Yeah well uh
 
Not saying you are wrong but except for Brady any contract next year can be more backloaded. With smaller cap hits in the first 2 years. Once again don't think of the cap as we have 55 million to spend next year but use a 2-3 year window.

At some point we will see if BB starts backloading deals given that in 2-3 years there most probably won't be a Brady hit on the cap and Stidham (or whoever else will be starting at that point) won't have nearly as big of a salary.

It is almost the inverse of the advantage teams have with a rookie QB in terms of cap hits.
I don't disagree in principle, BUT the bill ALWAYS comes due in these situations. As it has during our last rather modest buying spree, (McCourty, Hightower, and Gilmore) are reaching "maturity" and is one of the reasons we already had to make a few modest adjustments just to keep our head above water.

Of course you can do it for a mad year or two, but as a model. it's simply not sustainable and just not smart. We are never going to sign all 20 FA's, but right now I find it hard to believe we could do more than 8, unless we let guys like Brady, Thuney, Collins, and McCourty go.

If we keep all of them we would be forced to divest ourselves of our middle class and be a 2 class team like most of the rest of the league, and have to hope our cheap guys are good enough because they will make up the vast majority of our team. Somehow that doesn't sound like the team we've been watching the last 20 years.

I honestly disagree with this. I am not saying get a top tier WR and plug him in Madden-style but getting someone who fits the system and can work inside well (like e.g. Sanders) would definitely improve our offense.

There is a reason why BB went out and despite the risk signed AB (or attempted to get Humphries). They are aware that with Gronk gone they needed someone else that Brady can reliably target in the middle of the field. Right now its only Edelman and White. This would also make life easier for Gordon and Dorsett who seem to be more comfortable on the outside.

Of course the wildcard here is Harry.


What this breaks down to for me is not that we need a WR1 but a reliable target for the MOF.

1. I'm not saying adding a quality WR to the team wouldn't improve the teams overall depth at the position. However the question is to what DEGREE and how urgent the need is. Is the percentage movement of the needle worth the cost for any realistic guy out there? I don't think so.

2. Here's were we disagree on AB - You think BB took the risk to bring him in because he didn't like the WR group. I think he brought AB in because he felt he was just too good a VALUE at the price.

I don't believe BB was expecting AB to break free, but when he did, getting him for a $5MM cap charge this year and $4MM more next in dead charges was well worth the chance to bring in one of the top 3 receivers in the league for a year.

I think Bill thought he was crazy, but not quite THAT crazy and when he had to, he didn't fight Kraft to keep him. Just think about just how much easier it is to follow and root for THIS team, than the one that played in Miami. And while the players might miss the talent, they DON'T miss the drama.

3. And then there is Harry. This IS the million dollar answer to the question.

Why has be been so utter discarded from the minds of Pats fans. He is a kid that was UNIVERSALLY thought of as a first round talent not only at the draft, but all through the first month of TC. Tell me who else would have the same depth of a WR group consisting of Gordon, Edelman Harry Dorsett, and Meyers. Harry might not be able to function in our system at full bore, but neither has any other rookie coming in.

Just look at some of the production that teams are getting under guys like McLaurin, Hardman, and HBrown (just off the top of my head). They might be faster than Harry, but might end up not as good a receiver than him. Personally I believe he completely healthy at this point and busy working on a specific program his coaches have given him. IIRC, he can start practicing next week.

You cannot invest your albeit low first round pick on a WR and not put him into the equation of your WR room, and simply discard him for the next shiny new toy who people seem to forget will ALSO have issues coming into this system and its demanding QB.
 
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Eifert looks slower than Old Man Gronk from last year. That guy's just a shell of his old self, taken way too much of a beating.

Eifert nothing more than a 7th because you know he's going hurt himself putting on his new Uni.
 
We get Harry back? I might take that bet. I think Wynn and Develin are coming back, and the Pats can only activate TWO from the IR list.

FWIW, Reiss had an "I don't know if Develin is coming back...." tweet, which is usually him being coy about how to share inside info. You can add to that the fact that they could have just kept Develin around if the plan was for him to return, so signs point toward Harry/Wynn.
 
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Leave it up to dre kirpatrick to tell bungles management about not trading AJ Green lol. He should worry about being cut for being an absolute bum at corner. The bungles are likely looking at a rebuilding job. You couldn’t even beat the lousy cardinals at home. STFU.
 
I’m a hard pass on green.....old receiver coming off major injury while learning new offense? No thanks
 
At some point we will see if BB starts backloading deals given that in 2-3 years there most probably won't be a Brady hit on the cap and Stidham (or whoever else will be starting at that point) won't have nearly as big of a salary.

It is almost the inverse of the advantage teams have with a rookie QB in terms of cap hits.

Great point. Didn't think of that.
 
I’m a hard pass on green.....old receiver coming off major injury while learning new offense? No thanks

Feel the same way. Too bad for him though because he was a great receiver.
 
On the road, with half the offense nursing an injury (I don't think that's even hyperbole) against a defense more mature Patriot offenses have struggled against. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Beyond that, there is almost nothing another weapon would have done to improve that Buffalo performance. The O was sunk by the OL and that's the unit that will determine how the rest of the season unfolds. If they don't improve significantly, adding a non-elite skill player is like throwing a pine scented air freshener on a mountain of manure.

I agree which is why I stated in my post that if Trent Williams is in play you go for him. However, Snyder sucks so that's not even an option.

I do believe a true blocking TE can help our O-line, especially our run attack which will wear down defenses and open up the pass.
 
I’d say wide receivers matter, considering the lack of adequate WRs cost the Patriots at least one Super Bowl during this run. You know, the year they were counting on that bug-eyed weirdo.
 
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Eifert is a possibility, however I doubt the bengals part with green.
 
Please God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Let me say it AGAIN

1. Next year we are projected to have around $55MM in cap space. In that space we will need to resign or replace TWENTY FA's, including Brady, KVN. Collins, Shelton, Thuney DMcCourty, JJones and 13 other guys who are currently helping the team to a 5-0 record.

2. ANY deal that including these players would necessitate DECREASING that available number even further, not to mention that both players would come with significant cap numbers that would FURTHER decrease that number. Not to mention whatever draft compensation would cost us.

3. And for the umpteenth time, no WR we add will vastly improve our team. First because its a FREAKIN' WR, the most easily replaceable position in the league. 2nd because he how much would a WR be able to impact the offense coming in mid season with a new and vastly different system AND language. Think we are having foul ups NOW! At least now we have a chance to have it improve with time. What chance would a new guy have 2-4 weeks from now.


One thing though, we don't need to resign AJ Green. We can get a 3rd for him via a comp pick in 2021. We just need a top flight rental.....
 
Leave it up to dre kirpatrick to tell bungles management about not trading AJ Green lol. He should worry about being cut for being an absolute bum at corner. The bungles are likely looking at a rebuilding job. You couldn’t even beat the lousy cardinals at home. STFU.
One thing though, we don't need to resign AJ Green. We can get a 3rd for him via a comp pick in 2021. We just need a top flight rental.....
I hope Brady will give the team a sense of when he's planning to retire. Stidham may be the guy eventually, but he won't be ready to play at a high level if Brady retires at the end of this year or next.

If Brady is angling to retire in the next year or two, then short term quality rentals make sense. Otherwise, there is no reason to sell out future drafts for rentals (unless Belichick sees Brady's play deteriorating at such a fast rate that "win now" takes hold).
 
I agree which is why I stated in my post that if Trent Williams is in play you go for him. However, Snyder sucks so that's not even an option.

I do believe a true blocking TE can help our O-line, especially our run attack which will wear down defenses and open up the pass.
The longer this goes on the less this makes any sense at ALL. Wynn can start practicing in 2 weeks, so what do you do with him, and what about next year when you'd have William, Wynn, Cajuste Cannon under contract. n What do you do with his contract demands, or even his existing contract if he'll play under it. A lot more money than we'd want to pay for damaged goods

BTW- what kind of shape is he in? Do you even know when the last time he played? How long would it take for him to get into shape, learn the system, or any of those small details that MIGHT be important. Or are you aware the last time he played in 16 games was 2013.

And oh by the way, we also have to give up a high draft pick or two to have the privilege of Mr Williams company.

Sloppy, sloppy thinking
 
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