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Not a fan of Cousins but if he is available at the mid level exception I think he is worth the risk. The East is there for the taking and if for some crazy reason Cousins returned to his peak form the C's would have a real chance at the finals. 80% chance it does not work but w/o him they seem destined for no better than a 2nd round exit.

As Ken mentioned, the league's stars currently gravitate towards a handful of teams, none of whom is the Celtics. The C's are more like a small market team in baseball and need to take the occasional calculated risk if they want to win it all.
 
While it would make me extremely happy for the Lakers to have mortgaged their future FOREVER it probably isn't true, because the NBA doesn't work that way.

Here's the problem. Draft choices are no longer as valuable as FA's. Too many of the best picks are 19 years old coming into the league. They get drafted to bad teams and because they are so young that the team that drafts them rarely gets to see the fruits of their labors.

They are more or less "farm teams" for the so called "destination franchises". They develop those great talents until they are just 24 or 25, and THEN they are free to to "take their talents" to wherever for 35MM/yr

What use is it for NO to grab this year's top talent, when in just 5 years he too can just bail and head to LA, or NY, or whatever half dozen franchises are considered cool at the time. It is hard to field a competitive 30 team league with 82 regular season games PLUS an interminable playoff schedule, when only only 2 or 3 teams have a reasonable chance to succeed. Why buy a ticket if you are a fan of one of the 28 teams left.

So if you are LA, who cares if you never have a draft pick again. Let other teams develop YOUR players for you, because you can get them eventually anyway AND without the inherent downside risk that comes with every draft pick.

Sad but true.
That's why the haul the Thunder got is less than it seems. Most of these picks will be in the 20's and essentially worthless. The only valuable pick they got is the Miami pick, if it turns out to be #1.
 
See, I think Westbrook would be a very tough fit for the Lakers. He's a chucker rather than a shooter, and he's a ball dominant player. Historically, Lebron needs shooters who aren't ball dominant, or who are at least willing to let LeBron be the center of the wheel. There would have to be significant changes in playing style to get that group to work, IMO.
Totally agree.LBJ shows his best effort when he is operating with a ball in his hands likewise Westbrook.That would be a conflict of interest for sure. However IMO from the marketing perspective that move would compensate the loss of Kawhi.It is LA.
 
Totally agree.LBJ shows his best effort when he is operating with a ball in his hands likewise Westbrook.That would be a conflict of interest for sure. However IMO from the marketing perspective that move would compensate the loss of Kawhi.It is LA.
They had better do something because if they don't pull a rabbit out of the hat, they are doomed to become an afterthought in their OWN building.

GOD that would make me very happy. Right now the Lakers have an aging and increasingly injury prone LBJ, a young coming into his prime, BUT injury prone AD, a solid Kyle Kuzma.....and TEN empty roster spots. :eek: Maybe NOW ESPN will put the foot on the Laker-hype train for just a bit.

It has pissed me off that a team who hasn't sniffed the PLAYOFFS for 6 years was on the lips of virtually EVERY ass kisser on the ESPN roster. Now the thought of them not even being the best team in their building....and dropping fast brings chills to this young man's heart. It's like a Don Nelson 3 bounce buzzer beater. YESSSSS!
 
Comments:

a.) The Thunder won that deal by a mile, but I don't blame the Clippers for doing it. From their POV, it was for Leonard & George.

b.) Here's a run down of the Thunder's haul:

2021 first round from Heat (who just signed Butler and will have a lot of cap space next year, so by 2021..this is a pick in the teens/20's)
2022 first round from the Clippers (that is 3 drafts away, by then Leonard will be going into his final year and PG would have hit FA by then)
2023 first round from the Heat (protected for 1-14, I think it will convey as I see the Heat picking in the teens/20's)
2023 first round swap w/ the Clips (I think the Thunder will swap)
2024 first round from the Clippers (4 drafts away....Clippers could be a dumpster fire by then)
2025 first round swap w/ the Clips (I think the Thunder will swap)

Danilo Gallinari (22M, final year)
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (3M, 3 years left...team option in year 2 & 3)

All of that just for PG = a steal. No way were the Thunder getting to the conference finals with PG anyway.

c.) The WC is stacked! And unlike many...I still see the Warriors as contenders. A run down:

Warriors - Still have Curry, Russell, and Green. With Klay in 2020.
Nuggets - Jokic, Murray, Millsap.
Blazers - Dame and C.J.
Rockets - Harden and CP3.
Jazz - Mitchell, Conley, Bogdanovic, and Gobert.
Clippers - Leonard, George, and Beverly.
Lakers - James and Davis.
Spurs - Rozan and Aldridge.
Mavs - Doncic and Porzingis.

Just to name a few......I think I like the Clippers/Jazz/Nuggets/Warriors the best....
 
Barring injury they’ll be good the next 4 years

Yes....barring injury.....and barring one diva turning off another diva....

One of those 2 is going to have to cover a 2 at most times and Ivica Zubac is there 5 ..... which isn’t the end of the world, but Leonard and George are going to spend the entire season working hard at both ends

I predict their Achilles heel will be defensive rebounding....not much length on that team
 
Can’t think of his name but that Center they stole from the lakers last year looks decent.

Zubac.....when a team sucks, all kinds of guys start to look good.....poor mans zeller
 
While it would make me extremely happy for the Lakers to have mortgaged their future FOREVER it probably isn't true, because the NBA doesn't work that way.

Here's the problem. Draft choices are no longer as valuable as FA's. Too many of the best picks are 19 years old coming into the league. They get drafted to bad teams and because they are so young that the team that drafts them rarely gets to see the fruits of their labors.

They are more or less "farm teams" for the so called "destination franchises". They develop those great talents until they are just 24 or 25, and THEN they are free to to "take their talents" to wherever for 35MM/yr

What use is it for NO to grab this year's top talent, when in just 5 years he too can just bail and head to LA, or NY, or whatever half dozen franchises are considered cool at the time. It is hard to field a competitive 30 team league with 82 regular season games PLUS an interminable playoff schedule, when only only 2 or 3 teams have a reasonable chance to succeed. Why buy a ticket if you are a fan of one of the 28 teams left.

So if you are LA, who cares if you never have a draft pick again. Let other teams develop YOUR players for you, because you can get them eventually anyway AND without the inherent downside risk that comes with every draft pick.

Sad but true.

Exposes you much more to injury......you lose one guy and you’re done
 
Kawhi and PG to the Clippers is the best result.
 
Never.Westbrook is not a companion to anybody who seriously think about a championship. Harden,Durant and even George seemed to be familiar with that fact. I do not know who is worse Irving or Westbrook. Both are arogant and selfish thinking only about their superego and stats. I suggest Knicks to grab Westbrick, at least they will have their "star".

I'm sorry, but comparing Irving to Westbrook is just laughable. Perhaps you have only read about him instead of frequently watching Westbrook over the years. They are polar opposites in many ways.

The primary way is that Irving QUIT ON HIS TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. Everyone saw that against the Bucks.

If you watch Westbrook, not only would he never quit on his team, he never quits on plays. I can't think of anyone who goes 100% all of the time like Westbrook, it is remarkable how he never seems to get tired on the court despite his frantic pace.

Although their games were much different, the player that I think Westbrook resembles most is Kobe Bryant (who was never my favorite type of player because he suffered from many of the same deficiencies that Westbrook does). Westbrook has never reached Kobe's level of team achievement, and his talent may be a bit less, but not that much. After all, Westbrook won the NBA regular season MVP award only two years back in 2017, he has been the scoring champion twice, and he has been on the All NBA first team twice, second team five times, and third team one time.

Let's look at Kobe's mind set:
  • A killer, always out to kill the enemy at all costs.
  • Never left anything out on the court (at least until he got old).
  • Always thought HE was the best person to achieve victory, regardless of how great his teammates were.
  • Always wanted to take the last shot.
  • Occasionally pissed off his teammates.
With the possible exception of the last bullet (Kobe pissed off his teammates 100x more than Westbrook) that could completely describe Westbrook. He will kill himself on the floor to get victory, but he always thinks he the best player on the floor and too often thinks he should take the last shot, even when he plays with someone like Durant or George.

Of course, their games are completely different. Kobe was much more skilled, a better passer, probably a better defender when he wanted to be, and a vastly better shooter and shot selector. Westbrook is much stronger and prone to initiating collisions, probably faster, more determined, and probably more athletic. The shooting is the main problem, if he was a better shooter he would have probably won many MVPs.

Sorry for the long defense. I actually would not want Westbrook on the Celtics. And, he is about to turn 31 and his type of hyper-athletic game is unlikely to age well.

However, he would never, ever, ever quit on his teammates or stop killing himself trying to win the game in any game, let alone a playoff game. He is the anti-Irving IMHO.
 
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I'm sorry, but comparing Irving to Westbrook is just laughable. Perhaps you have only read about him instead of frequently watching Westbrook over the years. They are polar opposites in many ways.

The primary way is that Irving QUIT ON HIS TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. Everyone saw that against the Bucks.

If you watch Westbrook, not only would he never quit on his team, he never quits on plays. I can't think of anyone who goes 100% all of the time like Westbrook, it is remarkable how he never seems to get tired on the court despite his frantic pace.

Although their games were much different, the player that I think Westbrook resembles most is Kobe Bryant (who was never my favorite type of player because he suffered from many of the same deficiencies that Westbrook does). Westbrook has never reached Kobe's level of team achievement, and his talent may be a bit less, but not that much. After all, Westbrook won the NBA regular season MVP award only two years back in 2017, he has been the scoring champion twice, and he has been on the All NBA first team twice, second team five times, and third team one time.

Let's look at Kobe's mind set:
  • A killer, always out to kill the enemy at all costs.
  • Never left anything out on the court (at least until he got old).
  • Always thought HE was the best person to achieve victory, regardless of how great his teammates were.
  • Always wanted to take the last shot.
  • Occasionally pissed off his teammates.
With the possible exception of the last bullet (Kobe pissed off his teammates 100x more than Westbrook) that could completely describe Westbrook. He will kill himself on the floor to get victory, but he always thinks he the best player on the floor and too often thinks he should take the last shot, even when he plays with someone like Durant or George.

Of course, their games are completely different. Kobe was much more skilled, a better passer, probably a better defender when he wanted to be, and a vastly better shooter and shot selector. Westbrook is much stronger and prone to initiating collisions, probably faster, more determined, and probably more athletic. The shooting is the main problem, if he was a better shooter he would have probably won many MVPs.

Sorry for the long defense. I actually would not want Westbrook on the Celtics. And, he is about to turn 31 and his type of hyper-athletic game is unlikely to age well.

However, he would never, ever, ever quit on his teammates in any game, let alone a playoff game. He is the anti-Irving IMHO.
You forgot to add that he's the biggest flopper (by far) in the league.
 
You forgot to add that he's the biggest flopper (by far) in the league.

Maybe he has that title after Manu retired from the Spurs. Manu's flopping was really performance art, practically ballet. ;)
 
I'm sorry, but comparing Irving to Westbrook is just laughable. Perhaps you have only read about him instead of frequently watching Westbrook over the years. They are polar opposites in many ways.

The primary way is that Irving QUIT ON HIS TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS. Everyone saw that against the Bucks.

If you watch Westbrook, not only would he never quit on his team, he never quits on plays. I can't think of anyone who goes 100% all of the time like Westbrook, it is remarkable how he never seems to get tired on the court despite his frantic pace.

Although their games were much different, the player that I think Westbrook resembles most is Kobe Bryant (who was never my favorite type of player because he suffered from many of the same deficiencies that Westbrook does). Westbrook has never reached Kobe's level of team achievement, and his talent may be a bit less, but not that much. After all, Westbrook won the NBA regular season MVP award only two years back in 2017, he has been the scoring champion twice, and he has been on the All NBA first team twice, second team five times, and third team one time.

Let's look at Kobe's mind set:
  • A killer, always out to kill the enemy at all costs.
  • Never left anything out on the court (at least until he got old).
  • Always thought HE was the best person to achieve victory, regardless of how great his teammates were.
  • Always wanted to take the last shot.
  • Occasionally pissed off his teammates.
With the possible exception of the last bullet (Kobe pissed off his teammates 100x more than Westbrook) that could completely describe Westbrook. He will kill himself on the floor to get victory, but he always thinks he the best player on the floor and too often thinks he should take the last shot, even when he plays with someone like Durant or George.

Of course, their games are completely different. Kobe was much more skilled, a better passer, probably a better defender when he wanted to be, and a vastly better shooter and shot selector. Westbrook is much stronger and prone to initiating collisions, probably faster, more determined, and probably more athletic. The shooting is the main problem, if he was a better shooter he would have probably won many MVPs.

Sorry for the long defense. I actually would not want Westbrook on the Celtics. And, he is about to turn 31 and his type of hyper-athletic game is unlikely to age well.

However, he would never, ever, ever quit on his teammates or stop killing himself trying to win the game in any game, let alone a playoff game. He is the anti-Irving IMHO.
Ok.I am not talking about Westbrook as a "cancer" in the locker room or being unfriendly like Irving seems to be. What is his biggest advantage - ambition and eagerness to win at all cost very often turns out to be his nightmare. I've been watching OKC games regularly and trust me there is nothing more frustrating than Russ wants to be a hero at the end of the 4th quarter. And that is what I am talking about - he makes bad decisions and feeds his ego that is why very often OKC lost many games.Of course it could be a consequence of lack of support but it does not change the fact - Russ is selfish and I am afraid it will not change at all even if he changes the surrounding IMO. Do not get me wrong,he is a great player as a unit but basketball is a team effort.
 
It has pissed me off that a team who hasn't sniffed the PLAYOFFS for 6 years was on the lips of virtually EVERY ass kisser on the ESPN roster. Now the thought of them not even being the best team in their building....and dropping fast brings chills to this young man's heart. It's like a Don Nelson 3 bounce buzzer beater. YESSSSS!

I bet you remember the 60's and the media would hype the Lakers as the next World Champions! Then, in the early 70's, there was a tv special stating "there back". Back from what, losing to the Celtics? Of course, they did not win a championship as the Celtics with a red head won the championship. Ok, I'm still pissed about the slight.
 
Not a fan of Cousins but if he is available at the mid level exception I think he is worth the risk. The East is there for the taking and if for some crazy reason Cousins returned to his peak form the C's would have a real chance at the finals. 80% chance it does not work but w/o him they seem destined for no better than a 2nd round exit.

As Ken mentioned, the league's stars currently gravitate towards a handful of teams, none of whom is the Celtics. The C's are more like a small market team in baseball and need to take the occasional calculated risk if they want to win it all.
They haven't got a mid-level exception.
 
Yes....barring injury.....and barring one diva turning off another diva....

One of those 2 is going to have to cover a 2 at most times and Ivica Zubac is there 5 ..... which isn’t the end of the world, but Leonard and George are going to spend the entire season working hard at both ends

I predict their Achilles heel will be defensive rebounding....not much length on that team

I get it that they are weak at the 5 spot but they still finished 8th in the league in defensive rebounding last season. Sub out Danilo and Shae G-A for PG and Kawhi who have similar length at the 2-3 how much worse will they be next season (when you’ve upgraded your athleticism at both positions?)

Going off track record they should actually be improved defensively. Offensively there’s no debate.
 
Just read whey Boogie signed with the Lakers and they re-signed Rondo for two years. That team has two years for a championship with LeBron.
 


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