NBA Draft - Trades - Free Agents

[Patsfanin Philly]

Kawhi probably wasn't going to join them unless they did pulled off the PG13 trade. SO it amounts to a bunch of picks for George and Kawhi playing out his career there. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

When is the next time an LA time will have a first round draft pick????

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Patrick Beverley
Landry Shamet
Paul George
Kawhi Leonard
Harrell

With Harkless and Lou Will coming off the bench?

Not many "bigs"

 

[oceansizer]

Apparently Thunder might want to trade Westbrook, any takers my fellow Celtics fans?

Never.Westbrook is not a companion to anybody who seriously think about a championship. Harden,Durant and even George seemed to be familiar with that fact. I do not know who is worse Irving or Westbrook. Both are arogant and selfish thinking only about their superego and stats. I suggest Knicks to grab Westbrick, at least they will have their "star".

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

When is the next time an LA time will have a first round draft pick????

2026 from the looks of it.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I just can’t get these “win now” trades. I was shocked by what LA gave away for Davis: number 2 pick Ingram, Hart, number 2 pick Ball, and three number 1 picks, including #4 overall. Wow!! It mortgages the Lakers entire future. I can’t say I am sad about it, but really dumb and shortsighted IMHO.

But this George trade seems even more shortsighted. 5 number one draft picks, two by Miami, plus two possible number one pick swaps?? Plus the very promising Alexander and Gallinari?? Talk about “win now”. The Clippers will be very good for the next few years, but by mortgaging their future this way they are in for a crash. It dwarfs the Boston heist of the New Jersey picks for Garnett and Pierce.

I’ve mostly liked what the Clippers have been doing since when Balmer took over as owner, but this really surprises me.

The way the trade reads is they gave all those picks/players for George but in reality they were trading for George and Kawhi. And unlike the lakers who also traded away their depth for AD and another max slot the clippers are still very deep with Beverly/Lou Williams and company.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Patrick Beverley
Landry Shamet
Paul George
Kawhi Leonard
Harrell

With Harkless and Lou Will coming off the bench?

Not many "bigs"

Can’t think of his name but that Center they stole from the lakers last year looks decent.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Glad the lakers didn't build a superteam. West now has 4 teams all with legit title chances.

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[Ras-IR Dowling]

Kawhi probably wasn't going to join them unless they did pulled off the PG13 trade. SO it amounts to a bunch of picks for George and Kawhi playing out his career there. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

And those picks should mostly be late 1s.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Can’t think of his name but that Center they stole from the lakers last year looks decent.

Edit: Ivica Zubac.

 

[oceansizer]

And those picks should mostly be late 1s.

Assuming rebuilding process in the OKC they are going to have their own picks alongside with obtained from the trade.Mark my words - Westbrook will be traded as well.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Assuming rebuilding process in the OKC they are going to have their own picks alongside with obtained from the trade.Mark my words - Westbrook will be traded as well.

Oh don’t get me wrong OKC made out great in this deal. Send Russell to the Knicks and start over (circa 10 plus years ago when they drafted KD Russ and Harden).

 

[Joey007]

Wow. The NBA will be really competitive next season. I’m ready for it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Assuming rebuilding process in the OKC they are going to have their own picks alongside with obtained from the trade.Mark my words - Westbrook will be traded as well.

But the question on that becomes:

Where's Westbrook a good fit?

 

[Deus Irae]

The East, off the top of my head, and at this moment:

1. Clearly above the rest (Milwaukee, Philly).
2. Should be competing in the next tier (Indiana, Brooklyn, Boston, Toronto?)
3. Third tier unless lightning strikes (Detroit, Orlando, Miami, Hawks, Bulls)
4. Bottom dwellers (The rest)

 

[oceansizer]

But the question on that becomes:

Where's Westbrook a good fit?

It is hard to discuss about Westbrook as a good fit because you know - I think Westbrook will never change his attitude. But realistically Lakers and Knicks would be interested in the trade. NY have lost FA so far so they need a "star" immediately. Lakers can be mad because they have lost the chance to bring Kawhi and obviously they have a big hole at PG position.

 

[goheels22002]

Yes

Only if he can stay on the court through the playoffs. Boogie Cousins has averaged fewer that 32 games/season over the last three seasons. If he could be had for mid-level exception, it would be worth a shot. But what chance is there that he'll be available when it matters most? I'd prefer that the Cs bring back Marcus Morris.

 

[patfanken]

I just can’t get these “win now” trades. I was shocked by what LA gave away for Davis: number 2 pick Ingram, Hart, number 2 pick Ball, and three number 1 picks, including #4 overall. Wow!! It mortgages the Lakers entire future. I can’t say I am sad about it, but really dumb and shortsighted IMHO.

But this George trade seems even more shortsighted. 5 number one draft picks, two by Miami, plus two possible number one pick swaps?? Plus the very promising Alexander and Gallinari?? Talk about “win now”. The Clippers will be very good for the next few years, but by mortgaging their future this way they are in for a crash. It dwarfs the Boston heist of the New Jersey picks for Garnett and Pierce.

I’ve mostly liked what the Clippers have been doing since when Balmer took over as owner, but this really surprises me.

While it would make me extremely happy for the Lakers to have mortgaged their future FOREVER it probably isn't true, because the NBA doesn't work that way.

Here's the problem. Draft choices are no longer as valuable as FA's. Too many of the best picks are 19 years old coming into the league. They get drafted to bad teams and because they are so young that the team that drafts them rarely gets to see the fruits of their labors.

They are more or less "farm teams" for the so called "destination franchises". They develop those great talents until they are just 24 or 25, and THEN they are free to to "take their talents" to wherever for 35MM/yr

What use is it for NO to grab this year's top talent, when in just 5 years he too can just bail and head to LA, or NY, or whatever half dozen franchises are considered cool at the time. It is hard to field a competitive 30 team league with 82 regular season games PLUS an interminable playoff schedule, when only only 2 or 3 teams have a reasonable chance to succeed. Why buy a ticket if you are a fan of one of the 28 teams left.

So if you are LA, who cares if you never have a draft pick again. Let other teams develop YOUR players for you, because you can get them eventually anyway AND without the inherent downside risk that comes with every draft pick.

Sad but true.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

It is hard to discuss about Westbrook as a good fit because you know - I think Westbrook will never change his attitude. But realistically Lakers and Knicks would be interested in the trade. NY have lost FA so far so they need a "star" immediately. Lakers can be mad because they have lost the chance to bring Kawhi and obviously they have a big hole at PG position.

But like Insano pointed out, I just don’t know what the Lakers can offer in addition to Kuzma to entice the thunder. I’d imagine if NY came calling it would be Dennis Smith plus future 1s that LA doesnt have.

 

[Deus Irae]

It is hard to discuss about Westbrook as a good fit because you know - I think Westbrook will never change his attitude. But realistically Lakers and Knicks would be interested in the trade. NY have lost FA so far so they need a "star" immediately. Lakers can be mad because they have lost the chance to bring Kawhi and obviously they have a big hole at PG position.

See, I think Westbrook would be a very tough fit for the Lakers. He's a chucker rather than a shooter, and he's a ball dominant player. Historically, Lebron needs shooters who aren't ball dominant, or who are at least willing to let LeBron be the center of the wheel. There would have to be significant changes in playing style to get that group to work, IMO.

 

[Deus Irae]

Only if he can stay on the court through the playoffs. Boogie Cousins has averaged fewer that 32 games/season over the last three seasons. If he could be had for mid-level exception, it would be worth a shot. But what chance is there that he'll be available when it matters most? I'd prefer that the Cs bring back Marcus Morris.

Durability, conditioning, effort and attitude... all are legit concerns with Cousins, though his attitude seems to have improved some during his last two NBA stops. But when it comes down to who's better between Canter and Cousins, it's still Cousins. And, when you add the question about who's got the better upside, it's Cousins by about a thousand miles.

But any way you slice it, and any way you rank those two, the Celtics need another big. If they can get a guy with Cousins' talent, for small money and with the commensurate ability to cut him loose should he become too much of a problem, that's something they should at least seriously consider.

Anthony Davis isn't coming, after all.