Things going 'south' in Mangina'ville

[Canada's #1 Pats Fan]

A short read - check out this link:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/2007/wwhi100307.htm

Couldn't happen to a better organization.

 

[BrianPat]

A short read - check out this link:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/2007/wwhi100307.htm

Couldn't happen to a better organization.

Honestly, I hope they fall apart and are so demoralized when they come to Foxboro they roll over for us. At least we'll be able to play of second stringers sooner.

 

[patsox23]

Absolutely beat the TAR out of the RAT. He deserves everyone unhappiness that occurs in that locker room. Fraud.

 

[Bella*chick]

I honestly do wonder what the final score will be when they come to Foxboro.

 

[patsacolachick]

Karma's a b*tch, isn't it? I would adore it if, after trying to destroy the career of the man who is the reason Mangina is where he is today, Mangina ends up the one destroyed.

 

[theONLYJerseypatsfan]

I honestly do wonder what the final score will be when they come to Foxboro.

The score will be 52-3

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Mangini's demanding and notoriously rigid persona has never endeared himself to many players

Rigid maybe, if it means stubborn and not learning from mistakes, but "demanding"? I don't see it. Maybe he says, "I just rented 'Rocky' for you guys, so go win the football game." I guess that's demanding, in a way...

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Piling on:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/jets-mangini-taking-fire/

Mangini was asked if he spoke over the weekend to his brother-in-law, Mark Shapiro, the general manager of the Cleveland Indians, who are the Yankees’ first-round playoff opponent.

“You know,” Mangini said, “I honestly don’t know, did they get the first spot or did the Red Sox get the first spot?” Told it was the Red Sox, he asked, “And they’re playing?”

Does anyone else get the impression that this guy is just...a ******?

(And that the only way he got the Jets job was riding Belichick's coattails?)

 

[Tunescribe]

A short read - check out this link:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/2007/wwhi100307.htm

Couldn't happen to a better organization.

This is the predictable outcome of Mangina aping BB's style without possessing the substance. He's in over his head and it's coming home to roost

Jets players starting to lose respect for Mangini
Oct. 3, 2007

After weeks of enduring criticism over the Jets' defense's poor performance, head coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer are now feeling the heat for the offense's lack of production from within their own locker room. Although no player has said anything publicly, insiders say that players are growing increasingly irritated with the overly conservative offensive game plan. In Sunday's 17-14 loss to the previously winless Bills, QB Chad Pennington hardly went downfield at all, despite the fact that the Bills were operating with a patchwork secondary befallen by injuries. The current criticisms of the offense couldn't stand in starker contrast to the way it was received last year, the first year of the Mangini regime. In 2006, Schottenheimer had the whole team buzzing about the versatility that the shotgun and no-huddle offenses would bring, and Mangini was lauded for bringing in a coordinator with such an innovative approach to moving the ball. But as Schottenheimer's play-calling is currently being questioned, we hear that Mangini is slowly losing the respect of his players from both a coaching and personal perspective. Mangini's demanding and notoriously rigid persona has never endeared himself to many players, but they were willing to accept it last year because they were winning. Now that they're mired in a 1-3 start, the prevailing thought is that the team needs to right the ship immediately or risk the player-coach rift widening to a dysfunctional level.

 

[Seacoast Fan]

Rigid maybe, if it means stubborn and not learning from mistakes, but "demanding"? I don't see it. Maybe he says, "I just rented 'Rocky' for you guys, so go win the football game." I guess that's demanding, in a way...

Maybe he demands all the jelly donuts and sticky buns from the team's breakfast buffet....

 

[BAM!]

Piling on:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/jets-mangini-taking-fire/



Does anyone else get the impression that this guy is just...a ******?

(And that the only way he got the Jets job was riding Belichick's coattails?)

I guess we now know why BB never commented about whether or not he thinks Mangini is going to be a good HC.

BB's mother taught him well, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

God that almost brought tears of joy to my eyes. Belichick found out the hard way that Bill Belichick can't be Bill Parcells. And Mangini will find out that Eric Mangini can't be Bill Belichick.

 

[njpatsfan]

Ahh ... .the infamous "insiders say" hatchet job story. When the media starts trotting out articles like this - you know blood is in the water, and its dinnertime. Looks like his NY media buddies have turned on him.

Cutting deals with the media is like cutting deals with devil. Live by the sword - die by the sword.

R

 

[cavtroop]

God that almost brought tears of joy to my eyes. Belichick found out the hard way that Bill Belichick can't be Bill Parcells. And Mangini will find out that Eric Mangini can't be Bill Belichick.

interesting comment. Could NYJ be Mangini's Cleveland? Will he go back to being a DC for a bit, before getting a second chance, and succeeding ala Belichick?

I personally don't think so, but back when Belichick was HC of CLE, you'd never have convinced me he was a future HOF coach, either...

 

[Robdude]

I think BB did a respectible job while in Cleveland. He turned the time from a 4-12 (?) record to a 11-5 record and won a playoff game. I never understand why he is criticized for his Cleveland stint. At least on paper he was pretty good. I do admit I did not watch the Browns closely when he was the coach but i did watch the game he beat us in and they were pretty good

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Belichick did fine in Cleveland, he took a 3-13 team to the playoffs a few years later. But he's not the same coach now, he learned from his mistakes and he's reached his potential. We'll see if Mangini can do the same thing.

 

[fourthandmiles]

I was going to ask the Father in Law for his tickets to the Colts game...I think the Jets might be more fun.

Maginia>:bricks:

 

[PATSNUTme]

If you think it's bad now, wait to see all hell break loose if they get thumped by the Giants this weekend.

The Giants have always been my most hated team, but I think I will be a Giants fan this Sunday.

 

[Rob0729]

Let's not forget this one from last week's ProFootball Weekly:

Sept. 28, 2007
Mangini's unwillingness to switch to 4-3 hampering 'D'


Updated as of 11:30 p.m. Sunday Sept. 30

When Eric Mangini was brought on board as head coach of the Jets, he instituted the 3-4 defense, which was so successful during his tenure as Patriots defensive coordinator. The problem is that the Jets’ personnel is far more conducive to running a 4-3 defense. According to daily Jets observers, Mangini’s stubbornness in not allowing more 4-3 looks is hampering a unit that has struggled to date. ILBs Eric Barton and Jonathan Vilma and NT Dewayne Robertson have actually looked better in recent weeks, but nonetheless they’ve collectively struggled in the system. So have OLB Bryan Thomas — who was drafted in the first round in 2002 to play end — and DE Shaun Ellis, although Ellis had a sack in last week’s loss to the Bills. Many NFL teams that are labeled as having 3-4 defenses actually operate with three D-linemen only about 50 percent of the time, whereas the Jets have an additional body on the line only about 10-20 percent of the defensive snaps. The feeling is that until Mangini trades some speed for size, his defense will continue to underachieve — especially against the run.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/default.htm

Mangini has to learn that being a hard ass can work when you are winning, but players will turn on you when things are going bad especially when they feel that part of the reason is because of your coaching style and inflexibility.

 

[Robdude]

Belichick did fine in Cleveland, he took a 3-13 team to the playoffs a few years later. But he's not the same coach now, he learned from his mistakes and he's reached his potential. We'll see if Mangini can do the same thing.

With that I agree, certainly he has gotten better but he was pretty good then and if he had time to grow with the team who knows he might still be there now.

If my memory serve me correctly he lost the job/quit the job because of concerns with the direction of the team and not really because of his coaching abilities. I beleive this is right when the Browns left Cleveland for Baltimore.