Brady vs Jordan

[Snooky97]

Brady is great and all, but...

Your a jetes fan. Your opinion is irrelevant

 

[JetFan79]

Your a jetes fan. Your opinion is irrelevant

I even took my bias into account, and yeah... just no.

Jordon was and still is iconic around the globe. Hell, just watch the '92 Dream Team in Barcelona video.

No one in sports approaches MJ. Maybe Ali breathes the same air but that's it.

 

[goheels22002]

Brady is better than Jordan not even close.

Brady can't do this:

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady can't do this:

Jordan's not even the best in his sport. Russell is.

 

[Kontradiction]

Brady and it’s not even remotely close. Football is a much tougher sport to win a championship in (let alone 5) than basketball.

 

[tasmlab]

Tom hasn't yet starred in a movie with Bugs Bunny, but he still has time to catch up to MJ:

 

[qbno12]

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady and it’s not even remotely close. Football is a much tougher sport to win a championship in (let alone 5) than basketball.

We agree on something!

 

[mosslost]

A single championship in football is equal to like 3 in basketball.

But one player in basaketball can practically carry a team to a championship. Even an amazing record breaking QB performance (like Brady in SB 52) can fall short.

 

[Kontradiction]

But one player in basaketball can practically carry a team to a championship. Even an amazing record breaking QB performance (like Brady in SB 52) can fall short.

Not sure if you realize this, but you're kind of making his point.

 

[signbabybrady]

But one player in basaketball can practically carry a team to a championship. Even an amazing record breaking QB performance (like Brady in SB 52) can fall short.

That makes Brady's accomplishments more impressive in a sport more geared toward team play no single player has ever had bigger effect than Tom.

 

[mosslost]

Not sure if you realize this, but you're kind of making his point.

Whose point? I am stating that a basketball player can a greater impact on his team's ability to win games and championships than a QB.

There are some crap QBs who have won Super Bowls, (Dilfer, Johnson) and some total greats who never won them (Marino)

Also, Jordan's Bulls would have NEVER won a title without Jordan. They would never sniffed a title.

As much as I love Brady, I believe Belichick, Kraft, and Ernie Adams could have got one or two over 20 years without Brady.

 

[mosslost]

That makes Brady's accomplishments more impressive in a sport more geared toward team play no single player has ever had bigger effect than Tom.

Your reply is one of those times that makes me think we need a "?" for a response button.

How so? is my response to your post.

 

[Kontradiction]

Whose point? I am stating that a basketball player can a greater impact on his team's ability to win games and championships than a QB.

There are some crap QBs who have won Super Bowls, (Dilfer, Johnson) and some total greats who never won them (Marino)

Also, Jordan's Bulls would have NEVER won a title without Jordan. They would never sniffed a title.

As much as I love Brady, I believe Belichick, Kraft, and Ernie Adams could have got one or two over 20 years without Brady.

Your first point is highly debatable. And none of those Pats teams were sniffing a title without Brady. Belichick, as a head coach, didn't sniff a title without Brady, either. So what's your point here?

 

[mosslost]

Your first point is highly debatable. And none of those Pats teams were sniffing a title without Brady. Belichick, as a head coach, didn't sniff a title without Brady, either. So what's your point here?

in 2001, Tom Brady, as clutch as he was in the last drive of SB 36, absolutely was NOT the reason they won their first Super Bowl.

Brady is the GOAT QB. I stand by my thoughts though on Jordan and basketball, and the impact he would have had placed on any team, maybe not immediately, but in his prime pretty quickly.

All you have to do is look at Brady's game last year, verse his game in SB 36. Yes, Brady got Adam in position at the end, but the defense and Belichick won that game. Last year Brady was all world in the SB but was failed by Belichick and the defense.

Do you think Belichick, Kraft, and Ernie Adams would never have sniffed a championship without Brady in the last 19 years? In Brady's career, 14 other teams have won Super Bowls without him on the team.

 

[Brandon Manning]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Finals is a best of 7 series. Meaning, Jordan's Bulls could have an off game or two, yet still win it all. Whereas in Football, we've seen the inferior team (01 Pats, 07 Giants) win it all simply because the juggernaut opponent wasn't at their best on that day. Furthermore, a few great players on one basketball team (Pippeen & Jordan) virtually guarantees/guaranteed a likely trip to the Finals. A few great players on one football team (IE the 10 Patriots with Brady, Hernandez, Gronk, Welker) doesn't even guarantee a trip to the conference title game.

 

[Kontradiction]

in 2001, Tom Brady, as clutch as he was in the last drive of SB 36, absolutely was NOT the reason they won their first Super Bowl.

Yes, both sports are team games. You're correct. Basketball less so than football... which is why it makes what Brady has accomplished even more impressive than what Jordan accomplished. Furthermore, they wouldn't have even been in that Super Bowl were it not for Brady... let alone winning it.

Brady is the GOAT QB. I stand by my thoughts though on Jordan and basketball, and the impact he would have had placed on any team, maybe not immediately, but in his prime pretty quickly.

So would Brady. Brady took a perennial loser that was on the downslope of what Parcells had built and turned them around from a losing record that season to take them to the Super Bowl. Brady would have an immediate impact on whatever team he went to.

All you have to do is look at Brady's game last year, verse his game in SB 36. Yes, Brady got Adam in position at the end, but the defense and Belichick won that game. Last year Brady was all world in the SB but was failed by Belichick and the defense.

Which means that football is a harder sport to win a championship in than basketball. Jordan was also surrounded by some pretty primo talent.

Do you think Belichick, Kraft, and Ernie Adams would never have sniffed a championship without Brady in the last 19 years? In Brady's career, 14 other teams have won Super Bowls without him on the team.

They didn't before him and it wasn't looking good when Brady came in, either. Hell, you could make a very convincing argument that Belichick is likely fired after '02 had Brady not come in the year before.

 

[Froob]

Brady is the undisputed GOAT in football, Jordan isn’t (but he has as good of argument as anybody in basketball, Kareem has a great argument too).

 

[Observer]

Brady because basketball sucks... and is boring.

 

[Plat87]

I don’t remember who wrote it but there was an article a few years back talking about how unfair it was to compare anyone to MJ because his path was so storybook to be almost mythical. Even if you won as much and scored as much, it was impossible to be as epic. Cut from HS team, game winner in NCAA title as freshman, flashy but took his lumps climbing to NBA title, literally globalized the NBA via marketing, 3-peat, retires, comes back like Jesus after trying baseball, fails briefly, 3-peat again while taking the entire league to the woodshed and setting team win record, retires (second time) after nailing (and POSING FOR!) title winning shot. You literally could not write his story, it would defy suspension of disbelief. And he talked **** the ENTIRE time, was the most celebrated athlete of his era, and yet the chip on his shoulder was intact even on the day of his HOF induction. He is INSANE. But goddamn if it wasn’t amazing to watch, and that 10-part 90’s Bulls documentary that was floated around New Years I cannot WAIT to watch, and I can only hope a similar project will someday reveal some of the inner workings of the BB/TB Patriots. It probably wouldn’t be as revealing because those Bulls were the last great sports circus to exist before the dawn of social media and 24/7 sports news.

I think there are comparable story elements for TB for sure...struggles in college to get and keep playing time, Brady 6, the way he got his NFL job and NEVER gave it back likely owes a lot to his college experience, the close games, the comebacks, the personal attacks on him and his franchise that have elevated them to the forefront of the NFL for almost 20 years, his defiance of the normal rules of the game as an aging QB, all of it. He’s also insane, but he has also come across as more of a company man (for Kraft instead of for Nike) and family man, and the ultimate teammate instead of a begrudging one who punches Steve Kerr in the face.

It’s a different thing, but they are undisputably singular as competitors, leaders, and winners in their sport. That’s the main line of similarity, and the main point. No need to compare, just be glad you got to enjoy each in their own right because there will never be another quite the same.

This quote hit the nail on the head, it's apples and oranges and comparing GOATs across sports is pretty useless as you can put forth arguments from each side til the cows come home.

Basketball is also just way too different from football, a basketball player will have to play both sides of the ball (MJ was world class at both offense and defense) it is more comparable to hockey or soccer. Football is more comparable to baseball with all the specialized positions and there being 2 separate squads on the field, an offensive team out there against a defensive team at the same time, although even that is not really similar.

MJ, Gretzky, and Brady are all on the same tier IMO...the undisputed GOATs of their own respective sports.

One thing MJ has over all of them is his global influence, like the poster above me said his legacy and influence is almost mythical...and is looked upon almost as a demigod globally, he is a sports icon that is on a different level along with the futbol/soccer GOATs (Pele, Maradona). Brady obviously has longevity over MJ, dude is 42, in his what 18th year? potentially playing for SIXTH SB in NINE tries...jeeez!