Kliff Kingsbury wants to pursue NFL job

[catent]

The issue with the marriage analogy is that it is, as others have pointed out, not particularly accurate.

Just because it's an analogy doesn't mean it's immune to criticism; some analogies are bad.

In coaching, unlike marriage and romantic engagements, there is not a significant other involved whose emotional (and likely financial) well-being depends on the other individual. The consequences of raising a child/children with a single parent pales in comparison to the consequences of hiring a new offensive coordinator to coach individuals playing a game. One does not make a lifelong vow to be an offensive coordinator at USC; one does make such a vow when engaging in a traditional, romantic marriage.

I could point out more inconsistencies and inadequacies of the analogy but the point has been made.

Does it reflect a bit poorly on Kingsbury? Sure, I suppose it shows that he's a tad fickle and perhaps willing to sacrifice some semblance of commitment in order to pursue his own interests. Is it at all similar to one bailing on their spouse soon after getting married? No.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Again it was an analogy. Both are examples of making a commitment and valuing on it.


Regardless of that, my point is USC should not allow him to interview because it’s not in their best interest.

Personally I think it's crap they are denying him the right to interview.

The issue should be business ethics not legalities

 

[luuked]

I'm warming up to Boyer replacing Flores.

???

Based on what ? His success as CB coach ? Should we make Scar the OC if Josh leaves because of his success with the OL ?

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

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Based on what ? His success as CB coach ? Should we make Scar the OC if Josh leaves because of his success with the OL ?

The secondary has been our strength it's more of a passing league.
Also what really made me warm up to the idea is the heap of praise Gilmore gave him for his dominance right now.
Look at how JC Jackson looks like a stud and he's a coach I don't want to lose.
Would I rather have like Vic Fangio absolutely do I think that's in the cards no.
So if Boyer is next man up I'm good

 

[luuked]

He's a passing maverick & the league is literally all about passing efficiency & big plays. There aren't many better.

Now imagine what he could do w the best players in the world, focusing on his specialty.

We would be very lucky to get him.

The real question is whether they could make the marriage of the offense we have been running (and evolving) over the last 15 years work with the way he approaches everything work. Players were signed and drafted because of their perceived fit in it. You have a QB who has been running it for his entire career.

Point being bringing someone in from the outside who has an air raid mindset is also a risk for the Patriots because who knows if the fusion of whats available here and what he brings to the table will work out. Can't disagree that it would be interesting to see and has the potential to be pretty special.

 

[luuked]

Look at how JC Jackson looks like a stud and he's a coach I don't want to lose.

Yes, he has been coaching the CBs pretty well in the last 5 years but how does this make him qualified to run the entire defense ? Some coordinators are just meant to be coordinators and Boyer has fortunately not shown any ambition to be more than that. Just like Fears seems to be absolutely content with his role as a RB coach.

But point taken.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

From a head coaching stand point he was mediocre at Texas tech. His teams weren’t very competitive in terms of competing for big 12 titles. But it’s apples and oranges in comparison to being an offensive coordinator in the nfl

You’re half right and half wrong. You’re right to say you can’t judge him at Texas Tech against schools like Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State. But if you look at Texas Tech before Kingsbury compared to after he got there, you see he did a very bad job.

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t make a good OC in the NFL (or USC), I’m just saying he was not a good college coach.

Honestly neither of you are saying anything here or making a point.

His head coaching record is well documented. That's not why you hire or consider him though. It's irrelevant really.

NFL coaches have been picking his brain & stealing his stuff for years. You look at him bc of the success of his offenses. Bc that's what he'd be running.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Honestly neither of you are saying anything here or making a point.

His head coaching record is well documented. That's not why you hire or consider him though. It's irrelevant really.

NFL coaches have been picking his brain & stealing his stuff for years. You look at him bc of the success of his offenses. Bc that's what he'd be running.

As an example of why record doesn't matter too much, go look at BO'B's last two college jobs. . . .

 

[Ring 6]

Personally I think it's crap they are denying him the right to interview.

The issue should be business ethics not legalities

Where are the ethics in signing a contract and wanting to get out of it 3 weeks later.
How is it in USCs best interest to allow him to interview elsewhere?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Where are the ethics in signing a contract and wanting to get out of it 3 weeks later.
How is it in USCs best interest to allow him to interview elsewhere?

You are not following me. I see it the same way you do.

What Kliff is doing is reneging on the commitment he made to perform in a job at USC. If he in his heart of hearts wanted a pro gig or had an issue with the terms of the contract he never should have taken the job. Bad acting on his part.

My point is why handcuff him and piss him off? It should be a, "Go ahead and talk to them but you are under contract and there will be penalties if you want to get out of it.". That way Kliff gets his name out there and USC can still hold him to his contractual commitment.

With that said employees and employers shoot their way out of contracts all the time. Buyouts, legal precedents, re-negotiations, releases, etc. Sometimes the circumstances make it acceptable. Sometimes not.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

The real question is whether they could make the marriage of the offense we have been running (and evolving) over the last 15 years work with the way he approaches everything work. Players were signed and drafted because of their perceived fit in it. You have a QB who has been running it for his entire career.

Point being bringing someone in from the outside who has an air raid mindset is also a risk for the Patriots because who knows if the fusion of whats available here and what he brings to the table will work out. Can't disagree that it would be interesting to see and has the potential to be pretty special.

Yea this is a bit over blown tbh in regards to KK. He has an extensive knowledge of the EP.

 

[fightingirish595]

Honestly neither of you are saying anything here or making a point.

His head coaching record is well documented. That's not why you hire or consider him though. It's irrelevant really.

NFL coaches have been picking his brain & stealing his stuff for years. You look at him bc of the success of his offenses. Bc that's what he'd be running.

That’s basically what I’m saying

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

As an example of why record doesn't matter too much, go look at BO'B's last two college jobs. . . .

Yea college is a completely different animal. People see a poor/average record, "air raid" & run on those narratives wout any context.

It only makes sense considering where the league is going. A huge opportunity, I'm surprised no one jumped on it. There are maybe a handful of guys better from an offensive standpoint in the college ranks.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Honestly neither of you are saying anything here or making a point.

His head coaching record is well documented. That's not why you hire or consider him though. It's irrelevant really.

NFL coaches have been picking his brain & stealing his stuff for years. You look at him bc of the success of his offenses. Bc that's what he'd be running.

Your point is well taken. But "It's irrelevant really" is over playing your hand. It is not irrelevant - an OC has to manage as well as scheme.

 

[Steve102]

Report: USC is denying NFL teams permission to interview Kliff Kingsbury

But athletic directors are allowed to deny NFL teams permission to interview their coaches and, per Adam Schefter, NFL teams have been told to respect those requests or face consequences.

That League memo goes on further to read "THIS MEANS NEW ENGLAND. We know that Klingsbury is buddies with Tom Brady, and this gives us an opportunity to clamp down on the Patriots organization for no good reason. Because we can. Go Jete!"

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Your point is well taken. But "It's irrelevant really" is over playing your hand. It is not irrelevant - an OC has to manage as well as scheme.

I'm sorry but this makes 0 sense to me. Him managing the (our) offense has 0 to do w previous head coaching record.

 

[Ring 6]

You are not following me. I see it the same way you do.

What Kliff is doing is reneging on the commitment he made to perform in a job at USC. If he in his heart of hearts wanted a pro gig or had an issue with the terms of the contract he never should have taken the job. Bad acting on his part.

My point is why handcuff him and piss him off? It should be a, "Go ahead and talk to them but you are under contract and there will be penalties if you want to get out of it.". That way Kliff gets his name out there and USC can still hold him to his contractual commitment.

With that said employees and employers shoot their way out of contracts all the time. Buyouts, legal precedents, re-negotiations, releases, etc. Sometimes the circumstances make it acceptable. Sometimes not.

But they have the right to prevent him from getting offers by denying the interviews.
We all know he isn’t getting a hc job.
I’m sure when they hired him they weren’t certain it would last mire than a year but he hadn’t even coached for them yet. Why help him leave?
He isn’t asking to buy out his contract, he doesn’t have to. He is asking to check out other jobs and be allowed to stick around and get paid to job search.

 

[fightingirish595]

As an example of why record doesn't matter too much, go look at BO'B's last two college jobs. . . .

He did a phenomenal job at penn state given the circumstances

 

[Uptown]

 

[RobertWeathers]

But they have the right to prevent him from getting offers by denying the interviews.
We all know he isn’t getting a hc job.
I’m sure when they hired him they weren’t certain it would last mire than a year but he hadn’t even coached for them yet. Why help him leave?
He isn’t asking to buy out his contract, he doesn’t have to. He is asking to check out other jobs and be allowed to stick around and get paid to job search.

Yes and if KK had a problem with the" granting of permission" stipulation he never should have signed the deal. hes an idiot for nothing thinking it though or he was being a snake and thought USC would be ok with it and hed sneak off on interviews.

It's not like Kliff is collecting a paycheck and is away from USC. hes still working. If USC believes hes slacking they can fire his ass. They can also push to amend the contract with the conditions of if he wants to interview , fine but they do not have to pay him the rest of the deal if he is fired for just cause. All kinds of ways to satisfy both parties.

Teams grant assistants permission to interview all the time, they interview and come back to their old team. happens all the time. I don't see the big deal.

My point is I hope USC and KK can come to some kind of understanding so the relationship can stay professional and both sides can work together to find a win-win and move forward.

If not USC should just part ways with him and get another OC.