Patriots Player Departure Josh Gordon Stepping Away?

[Ring 6]

It's never stopped you before.
That the (ahem) strength of your position has you resorting to name calling now is all the answer anyone requires. Maybe you should just step back and let the adults talk, while you may enjoy endless circular arguments but you really aren't very good at rational debate.

But then you probably just can't resist indulging in your own addiction.

Reminding me why you are on ignore. Thanks

 

[Brewskies]

Weed is not addicting.

I understand that there are people like you are describing I just don’t think Gordon is one of them.
I think Gordon just doesn’t give a ****.
How is he hurting himself?
Are you implying that legalizing weed means people are now hurting themselves?
He simply values the lifestyle more than he values an nfl career. He is not strung out in an alley. He’s having fun smoking weed.

Thanks I understand your point, now. For me it is sad then.

 

[primetime]

That’s all you got?
Nice job deflecting.

Look at you, addicted to the post. You even replied to the guy you have on ignore just to tell him you have him on ignore, which is really sad when you think about it. You can't get enough of it Andy. It's a sickness man. I feel bad for you, but we all got our demons. You gotta get help. Step away from the game.

 

[Steve102]

There are better teams this season than the Pats. Thats just the reality of the situation.

Chiefs vs Bears are my Super Bowl picks.

The Pats need to get back to the drawing board and figure this out. Quit messing with Bradys chemistry with his WRs. I believe that having Almendola back would make a huge difference and so would Deon Lewis.

I struggle with this thought process a lot. We know that the business model for the Pats is to not fall in love with players, unless they are named Tom Brady. Danny has 52 receptions and 509 yards and one lone TD with a 6m cap hit. Last year, he had 61/659/2 TDs, while being an absolute unit in the playoffs. But he's 33, and the business model says they don't pay WRs post 32 who's stat line puts him between Gordon and Hogan for production. So, do you want to throw the business model out because you liked DA? I did too, but their business model has kept them in the Super bowl hunt for 18 years. It's frustrating, to be sure, but their system works.

Check this out:

Chris Hogan, 30 yrsd old, 29 catches/468 yards/3 Tds
Cordarrell Patterson, 27 yrs old, 20 catches/244 yards/3 Tds

Together, they have a cap of 6.4m, with similar production to DA, with more Tds. Add to that the advantage of youth and Patterson's 21 KRs for 633 yards and a TD, and they have more production. DA has not returned a kick this year, while only returning 7 punts. This doesn't account for Patterson's ability to fill in at RB. Certainly, an argument can be made that he was running the ball out of necessity. but that's part of the full package he brings. No one thought that would lose Hill, Michel, and Burkhead all at once. Do you think DA would've been an option at RB? Me either.

I agree with you that Lewis is a big hole, but James White has more than picked up the slack in production, as has Sony Michel. Together, they have more production and less cap money than Lewis.

White: 82 attempts/ 354 rushing yards/4 Tds, receiving: 81/699/6 Td's. Dude should be a pro bowler. 2.4m cap
Michel: 177/765/5 Tds. Pretty much a non factor in the passing game, 1.7m cap
Lewis: 155/512/1 TD, 53/357/1 Td receiving. 4.3 cap

So, together, the cap hit is about the same, and they have a lot more production. The Pats system, while terribly frustrating, works. It would be nice to have these guys hang around forever and let us enjoy their whole career, but the cap is a real thing and that enters into it. The Patriots, more than any other team, are masters of it, and they have managed to stay on top longer than anyone else.

You want to assign blame for them not locking up the 2 or 1 seed by now? Blame TB for bailing out too soon on plays and Gronk for getting old overnight. Hindsight shows that the front office was right to want to deal Gronk with a little tread on the tires. I'll be shocked if he's here next year.

 

[maust]

Reminding me why you are on ignore. Thanks

And yet here you are reading my posts...feeding your own beast.
And it is no one's fault but your own.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Look at you, addicted to the post. You even replied to the guy you have on ignore just to tell him you have him on ignore, which is really sad when you think about it. You can't get enough of it Andy. It's a sickness man. I feel bad for you, but we all got our demons. You gotta get help. Step away from the game.

I see what you did there. Addition, demons. This was low key savage.

 

[Ring 6]

Look at you, addicted to the post. You even replied to the guy you have on ignore just to tell him you have him on ignore, which is really sad when you think about it. You can't get enough of it Andy. It's a sickness man. I feel bad for you, but we all got our demons. You gotta get help. Step away from the game.

So as far as the point we were discussing i guess you give huh?

 

[Patjew]

I can’t believe this thread went off the rails.

 

[maust]

I see what you did there. Addition...

Addition?? There's addition going on here???

 

[Adam Seward]

Just glad I don’t work with Andy.

The guy who calls in his lunch order for pickup at 11am gets translated into wasting his morning thinking about lunch. And the guy who makes friends at work gets translated into a detrimental use of company time for social activities.

I’d hate to know what you think of how I spend my days

 

[Kontradiction]

Hahaha my bad Kontra you're right we have the exact same opinion of this team right now.
I've got a little bit of doubt because you know it's hard to actually win a SB and you've proclaimed the "Season over".

Sure it’s hard to win the Super Bowl. That’s been the case every single year since the advent of the sport. But if you have a complete team going in to the dance, it’s hard not to make them odds on favorites. You’ve had no problems posting such proclamations in the past without any qualifiers. So I’ll ask you again - why did you include “maybe” as a qualifier this time around? When you begin to realize that it’s because you, like everyone else on this forum, has seeds of doubt about this team’s chances to bring home to trophy, you’ll begin to realize (if you haven’t already... and I think it’s pretty clear that you have) that you and I aren’t so far apart on this. The only difference is that I just have the balls to come right out and say it. So congrats. You’re no better than I am. You’ve “quit on the team.”

By the way, genius move making this conversation more about me when it became clear that you couldn’t hold up when it was on football alone.

 

[Kontradiction]

I can’t believe this thread went off the rails.

It went off the rails quicker than Josh Gordon at happy hour.











Too soon?

 

[RobertWeathers]

It went off the rails quicker than Josh Gordon at happy hour.











Too soon?

Nope. Carry on.

 

[primetime]

Just glad I don’t work with Andy.

The guy who calls in his lunch order for pickup at 11am gets translated into wasting his morning thinking about lunch. And the guy who makes friends at work gets translated into a detrimental use of company time for social activities.

I’d hate to know what you think of how I spend my days

It's funny because he spends all his time at work posting on PatsFans.

 

[Patjew]

It went off the rails quicker than Josh Gordon at happy hour.











Too soon?

Yes and keep going.

 

[luuked]

It’s not like he is addicted to heroin. He likes to smoke weed.
Can we stop with the demons and sickness and recognize this is probably just a guy who doesn’t want to follow the rules and have any discipline in his life?
There are many of them working in mini markets and Walmart’s.

You really should read the Ben Baskin SI piece from last year about Gordon. Then maybe you'd calm down with absolutely ridiculous statements like that. But maybe expecting empathy nowadays is too big of an ask.

Also spoiler alert to your "weed is not addicting" angle. He doesn't only have an issue with weed. Which again if you had read anything about his past you'd be aware of. While banished from the NFL he was going on very broad drug benders not limited to weed.

Seeing people belittle and trivialize addictions just sucks.

 

[signbabybrady]

Sure it’s hard to win the Super Bowl. That’s been the case every single year since the advent of the sport. But if you have a complete team going in to the dance, it’s hard not to make them odds on favorites. You’ve had no problems posting such proclamations in the past without any qualifiers. So I’ll ask you again - why did you include “maybe” as a qualifier this time around? When you begin to realize that it’s because you, like everyone else on this forum, has seeds of doubt about this team’s chances to bring home to trophy, you’ll begin to realize (if you haven’t already... and I think it’s pretty clear that you have) that you and I aren’t so far apart on this. The only difference is that I just have the balls to come right out and say it. So congrats. You’re no better than I am. You’ve “quit on the team.”

By the way, genius move making this conversation more about me when it became clear that you couldn’t hold up when it was on football alone.

They have as good a chance to win this year as they have the last decade. I don't know how else to state my confidence in this team.

I didn't make this about you. You did with backwards logic. You are the one simaltaneously proclaiming the season over and stating somehow that only bandwagon fans are the only ones who think we still have a chance.

And you seem to feel the need to proclaim your a football genius or something. I don't feel the need to post such statements I'm comfortable in my knowledge of the game thank you very much for asking though.

 

[tom444]

But then, I tend to be a little better than most folks at refusing to read soap opera melodrama into every gesture or event.

And not as good at reading the reality of a situation.

 

[maineman209]

And not as good at reading the reality of a situation.

Depends on what you think of as "reality."

You "believed" it was reality, but it wasn't until it actually happened.

 

[tom444]

Depends on what you think of as "reality."

You "believed" it was reality, but it wasn't until it actually happened.

And as usual, when it comes to reading other humans I was dead on.