Patriots Player Departure Josh Gordon Stepping Away?

[oceansizer]

Not a proper moment for us ( fans and supporters ) and the team being in crisis to hear news like this. But for me human and his problems first.

 

[TomPatriot]

Not necessarily.

Dorsett also posted a 6.70 3-cone, and has some short-area quickness skill, too. From what I've observed, Dorsett doesn't possess as much of the deep throw tracking/adjustment ability that Hogan and Gronk do. Patterson, who also has good long speed (4.42) doesn't really, either.

However, Patterson has the ability to use his speed for big YAC on intermediate-range throws. Dorsett may be able to do that, too, at some point.

I haven’t seen enough deep balls to Dorsett to discern his tracking ability. I’d throw to him on a fly pattern once a game to him though and I’d probably have him decoy on 3-4 other plays.

 

[Kontradiction]

It's also a lot different then the quitters out there.

This is a funny post considering that, in your last response to me in this thread, you yourself expressed doubt in this team’s chances to win the Super Bowl. Using your very definition, that makes you a quitter. Or are we ready to revisit that definition now?

 

[maineman209]

Well, I said that just from watching him. In my opinion, he's a lost soul that just doesn't have being a teammate on or off the field in him, as talented as he may have been. Too bad.

There were numerous times that I saw Gordon as enthused as everyone else after a good play (even when he wasn't the one who made it), and smiling/laughing/joking with his teammates on the sideline between offensive possessions. He certainly didn't look like a "lost soul" to me then. Hell, I've seen Brady on the bench sulking or in the grip of the 1000-yard-stare more often than I saw Gordon.

Gordon was clearly getting stronger and quicker through the season, and his catch rate was steadily improving, even beyond his career average.

He was scheduled to be an RFA under the Pats contractual control at the end of the season.

I had no real reason not to project Gordon to be retained by the Pats until the sh it hit the fan yesterday. But then, I tend to be a little better than most folks at refusing to read soap opera melodrama into every gesture or event.

 

[maineman209]

I haven’t seen enough deep balls to Dorsett to discern his tracking ability. I’d throw to him on a fly pattern once a game to him though and I’d probably have him decoy on 3-4 other plays.

Brady tried a couple deep throws to Dorsett early this season - one unwisely into double-coverage that got picked, and one on which Dorsett was able to break double-coverage, but couldn't quite position himself to catch the ball cleanly before a defender caught up and knocked it out of his hands.

Most of the time, it seems to me, that Dorsett has been running shallow crossers against zone and sideline come backs against man (and he's been very effective on those). So, the Pats have established a tendency in how they're using him. Because that tendency has been established, against the right matchup, a double move might now result in a big play.

But, yes, Dorsett's speed should allow him to drag a defender or two with him running one of the deep routes in the levels concept.

 

[Ring 6]

So equate Gordan's issues to snapping bras in PE? Hahaha

No I’m talking about the type of immaturity that prevents people from having personal accountability and accepting rules.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is a funny post considering that, in your last response to me in this thread, you yourself expressed doubt in this team’s chances to win the Super Bowl. Using your very definition, that makes you a quitter. Or are we ready to revisit that definition now?

Please stop. You know I am confident in this teams chances. Never going to be %100. Your just further twisting what I say to avoid what you really said and feel. I will never give up on BB and TB until mathematically eliminated and you've already thrown in the towel with the 2 seed very much alive.

The season is over. That's not crying. That's just calling it like it is.

 

[maineman209]

2 for the useless blob Danny Shelton and 1 for Gordon.

Not sure where you got that.

On March 10, the Pats traded one of their 2019 3rd-rounders for Shelton + a 2018 5th-rounder from the Browns.

On September 17th, the Pats traded a 2019 5th-rounder for Gordon + a 2019 7th-rounder from the Browns.

This isn't that difficult to look up.

 

[Ring 6]

Weed, alcohol and cheating on his girlfriend. He has demons.

So people on drink smoke weed and cheat on girlfriends because if demons? I guess colleges are demonic.
Many people do those things as recreation and for fun. Yes addicts can’t stop themselves because of the horror of the addiction.
Not everyone using weed and alcohol is an addict. In generation in your 20s everyone went out drinking every weekend. Today many kids regularly use weed. They aren’t addicts.
As far as cheating that’s a character thing but a demon.

 

[Kontradiction]

Please stop. You know I am confident in this teams chances. Never going to be %100. Your just further twisting what I say to avoid what you really said and feel. I will never give up on BB and TB until mathematically eliminated and you've already thrown in the towel with the 2 seed very much alive.

Nobody is twisting your words. You expressed doubt in the team’s chances. You just used different words than I did, but the end product is the same. That’s not being confident in the team’s chances at all. It’s why I suspect you didn’t respond to my very reasoned response yesterday. Shall I go ahead and quote that post and break it down? Or do you already see that, using your own definition of the word “quitter” in this thread, you “quit” on your team?

 

[Tony2046]

No I’m talking about the type of immaturity that prevents people from having personal accountability and accepting rules.

I know what you're talking about. I just don't know how you think that applies to Gordan. To me he is clearly battling some kind of demon or demons.

Question, wasn't your argument against signing him about fearing a relapse?

 

[signbabybrady]

Nobody is twisting your words. You expressed doubt in the team’s chances. You just used different words than I did, but the end product is the same. That’s not being confident in the team’s chances at all. It’s why I suspect you didn’t respond to my very reasoned response yesterday. Shall I go ahead and quote that post and break it down? Or do you already see that, using your own definition of the word “quitter” in this thread, you “quit” on your team?

You are doing exactly that but please feel free to quote any posts of mine where you think I quit. But be sure to include your quote just so everyone knows what real quitting is.

The season is over.

 

[Tunescribe]

What if the issues IS immaturity and impulse control?
It would look exactly like it does.

Here's how it works for people like Gordon: It's been reported that he had a traumatic childhood. Someone who experiences serious trauma at a very young age usually suffers impaired brain development that prevents them from having an adult emotional filter later on (hence, what outsiders observe as immaturity and lack of impulse control). Combine that with a genetic predisposition to addiction and it's a recipe for a troubled life. These poor souls engage in substance abuse to escape deep-seated emotional pain and most of the time don't even realize why because their primary (subconscious) drive is to escape the anguish vs. bring it to the surface and heal it. The only solution is heavy duty therapy and the "right" kind of drugs.

 

[Kontradiction]

You are doing exactly that but please feel free to quote any posts of mine where you think I quit. But be sure to include your quote just so everyone knows what real quitting is.

05- Ref didn't call a touchback
06-we were final four team
09-Takes a year after such a significant injury
10-no excuse
11-present we were final four team

Maybe they fall a game or 2 short but coaching and QB give them a great shot at another SB.

The bolded expresses seeds of doubt in the team’s ability to bring home the Lombardi. If there was no doubt, you would say unequivocally that there is no way they WON’T win the Super Bowl. But you couldn’t even bring yourself to do that even when posed with a very simplistic rebuttal from me. There’s a reason for that. The team doesn’t have enough. You know that, even if you won’t outright admit it. So why not put away this dog and pony show of what you think it means to be a true fan (you’re not), let go, admit that this team has some fatal flaws which will more than likely cost the team Lombardi #6, and have a real conversation about this? Or are you going to prove my OP right, dig your heels in, and keep going down this path? I’ve already backed you into a corner with relative ease and caused you to second guess yourself and the team here. I’m not sure what you have left to hold onto in this debate (if you can even call it that). With each successive post in this thread, I’m showing you more and more that, at some point in time long ago, you became a fan of the man in the hoodie first and the laundry second.

 

[Triumph]

Feel sorry? Naaah......but putting in an effort to understand the situations of others is the decent thing.

It’s the same way with @ssholes.....not all of them have the choice

Its not your fault.

 

[signbabybrady]

The bolded expresses seeds of doubt in the team’s ability to bring home the Lombardi. If there was no doubt, you would say unequivocally that there is no way they WON’T win the Super Bowl. But you couldn’t even bring yourself to do that even when posed with a very simplistic rebuttal from me. There’s a reason for that. The team doesn’t have enough. You know that, even if you won’t outright admit it. So why not put away this dog and pony show of what you think it means to be a true fan (you’re not), let go, admit that this team has some fatal flaws which will more than likely cost the team Lombardi #6, and have a real conversation about this? Or are you going to prove my OP right, dig your heels in, and keep going down this path? I’ve already backed you into a corner with relative ease and caused you to second guess yourself and the team here. I’m not sure what you have left to hold onto in this debate (if you can even call it that). With each successive post in this thread, I’m showing you more and more that, at some point in time long ago, you became a fan of the man in the hoodie first and the laundry second.

This is hilarious. You think these 2 things are the same thing.

I said "Maybe they fall a game or 2 short but coaching and QB give them a great shot at another SB."
You said "The season is over. That's not crying. That's just calling it like it is."

You are now going past quitting yourself and are now trolling those who very clearly have not. But feel free to keep digging your hole deeper.

 

[TomPatriot]

Brady tried a couple deep throws to Dorsett early this season - one unwisely into double-coverage that got picked, and one on which Dorsett was able to break double-coverage, but couldn't quite position himself to catch the ball cleanly before a defender caught up and knocked it out of his hands.

Most of the time, it seems to me, that Dorsett has been running shallow crossers against zone and sideline come backs against man (and he's been very effective on those). So, the Pats have established a tendency in how they're using him. Because that tendency has been established, against the right matchup, a double move might now result in a big play.

But, yes, Dorsett's speed should allow him to drag a defender or two with him running one of the deep routes in the levels concept.

It can pull the single high safety in man or Cover 1 and he could torch Cover zero if Brady gets the time to set and plant. Big if, though.

 

[203Pat]

I don’t get the bending over backwards to feel sorry for the guy and make excuses. There are millions of people dealing with the same issues without the money, fame, and support he is given. It sucks but I can’t bring myself to feel sorry for the guy.

 

[maineman209]

It can pull the single high safety in man or Cover 1 and he could torch Cover zero if Brady gets the time to set and plant. Big if, though.

I hear ya. Big chunk pass plays can develop from high-percentage, intermediate-range throws as well as from low-percentage deep throws. I just feel that Patterson and Dorsett are best-suited for the former, while Hogan and Gronk seems to have better success than Patterson or Dorsett on the deep throws that require over-the-shoulder skills (and eyes in the back of the receiver's head).

 

[Kontradiction]

This is hilarious. You think these 2 things are the same thing.

I said "Maybe they fall a game or 2 short but coaching and QB give them a great shot at another SB."
You said "The season is over. That's not crying. That's just calling it like it is."

You are now going past quitting yourself and are now trolling those who very clearly have not. But feel free to keep digging your hole deeper.

They’re both doubt. Doubt is ultimately the reason why you (incorrectly, I might add) cited me as being a quitter. If there isn’t doubt, then why include the word “maybe” in there? What’s your reasoning behind that? Give that some good thought before responding (if you even do). I’m legitimately interested.