Thursday Night Football: Vikings vs Rams

[iapatsfan]

Well, you said it yourself, they're both overpaid. The difference is that one guy is in the back end of his contract and the other guy is overpaid in year 1 of his deal. That's how you end up with cap problems quickly.

It would be great if Cooks is still here. But we landed a 1st round pick for a guy in the last year of his deal. That isn't something that happens all the time in the NFL, and that can't be treated as if we dumped a 25 year old for a late rounder.

How do you define cap problems? We are up against the cap with no talent to show for it.

To answer a previous question, I would have parted ways with McCourty two years ago. He's not impactful, and he's obnoxious. He makes $12 million, and he would be overpaid at $2 million.

Has Cooks been overpaid for 1/4 of this season? I can make the case that Chris Hogan has.

 

[fnordcircle]

We are up against the cap with no talent to show for it.

lmfao

 

[iapatsfan]

lmfao

Brady
Gilmore
Flowers
Gronk

The end.

 

[supafly]

Brady
Gilmore
Flowers
Gronk

The end.

The argument would be that the Pats are a more balanced team. Basically, they’re a bunch of *middle* guys from the old “Blades of Steel” hockey game, whereas the LA Rams are a combo of skinny (stars) and fat (worthless JAGs).

So far, the Rams look better, but the hope is that things will even themselves out as the season progresses. To take it one step further, the Rams currently hold an advantage by having a franchise QB on his rookie deal. Whether or not they’ll be able to stay relevant in a couple of years is anyone’s guess. There’s no doubt that recent injuries and poor drafting have hurt the NEP, but we’ve seen them bounce back from that before during the next season.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Brady
Gilmore
Flowers
Gronk

The end.

Clearly our team isn't playing well right now, but if that is your list of the talent on the team, it's pointless to waste my time and debate with you. I'm out.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The argument would be that the Pats are a more balanced team. Basically, they’re a bunch of *middle* guys from the old “Blades of Steel” hockey game, whereas the LA Rams are a combo of skinny (stars) and fat (worthless JAGs).

So far, the Rams look better, but the hope is that things will even themselves out as the season progresses. To take it one step further, the Rams currently hold an advantage by having a franchise QB on his rookie deal. Whether or not they’ll be able to stay relevant in a couple of years is anyone’s guess. There’s no doubt that recent injuries and poor drafting have hurt the NEP, but we’ve seen them bounce back from that before during the next season.

I'm not really reading-following the thread but you get two likes for the Blades Of Steel reference. I wouldn't win every game but I'd sure beat the tar out of my brother every single fight. I'd jam on the button causing flurry of punches my loudmouth brother couldn't even handle. Awesome

 

[supafly]

I'm not really reading-following the thread but you get two likes for the Blades Of Steel reference. I wouldn't win every game but I'd sure beat the tar out of my brother every single fight. I'd jam on the button causing flurry of punches my loudmouth brother couldn't even handle. Awesome

Ha. I’m not even sure how much this actually applies, but it kind of sounded like it made sense in my head when I typed it.

I can hear the start screen/beginning of the game in my head with that robotic voice—“Blades...Of...Steel,” and then some type of noise like it may have been ice scraping or sticks smashing. Good times.

 

[luuked]

To answer a previous question, I would have parted ways with McCourty two years ago. He's not impactful, and he's obnoxious. He makes $12 million, and he would be overpaid at $2 million.

Go watch golf or something simple that does not cause your brain to spew up garbage like this. It seriously hurts to read idiotic stuff like this every time your name shows up.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Like the current state of our defense, this post of yours is garbage.

You could’ve sad we shouldn’t have offered McCourty a contract at all but saying I would’ve cut him two years ago? That’s a 16 million dollar cap hit right there.

And again with Chris Hogan? He’s the last year of his 3 year 12 million deal. He earned that deal just off his playoff performances alone.

How do you define cap problems? We are up against the cap with no talent to show for it.

To answer a previous question, I would have parted ways with McCourty two years ago. He's not impactful, and he's obnoxious. He makes $12 million, and he would be overpaid at $2 million.

Has Cooks been overpaid for 1/4 of this season? I can make the case that Chris Hogan has.

 

[borg]

As much as I disliked Belichick's off-season, the Cooks trade was good. And necessary.

He's an elite deep threat, but not quite an elite WR that's worth more than $11-12M.

Maybe he would've impressed more in other areas if he had a 2nd season here.

Elite deep threat?
No question he has speed but….
Can't beat the press at the LOS
Can't win 50/50 balls ….
Two requirements IMO for #1 WRs….which Cooks is now being paid to be
I suspect it took BB about 11 seconds to agree to trade away Cooks and recoup his #1 from the prior year.
Short Term: Pats take a step backwards by subtracting a very good target
Long Term: Two steps forward….gained cap space to spend + LT control of #1 draft talent

 

[Kontradiction]

It’s so funny that the Vikings have finally found a halfway decent QB and now their defense has fallen apart at the seams. Anthony Barr covering Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods in man to man with no help? Lmfaooooo. They could use Everson Griffen but unfortunately for them, he’s gone (as Captain Willard would say about Colonel Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now”) totally insane and sounds like he may have issues with possible CTE. That defense ****ting the bed like that late in the season last year was not an aberration. They’re falling apart.

With that said, that was the most entertaining TNF game I’ve ever seen. Usually that product is utter **** but that was a damn good game.

 

[Uptown]

Rams razor thin defensive depth is being tested. They'll survive as long as the offense can score but lose some of those parts and they'll be in trouble.

Very top heavy.

 

[Uptown]

 

[pats_premi]

With Ram’s very expensive defense allowing 31 points, I guess shouldn’t be too dispointed with the Patriots defense struggles.

 

[luuked]

With Ram’s very expensive defense allowing 31 points, I guess shouldn’t be too dispointed with the Patriots defense struggles.

 

[Kontradiction]

Exhibit A on why a lot of us can't take him seriously.

 

[luuked]

Exhibit A on why a lot of us can't take him seriously.

I don't care much for when he tries to expose the hypocrisy and panic of the doom and gloomers. I think it is tacky as the win/loss record each season does it well by itself.

That being said I hope we can agree that when he boils it down to his X/O breakdowns he should be taken seriously. Or not ?

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't care much for when he tries to expose the hypocrisy and panic of the doom and gloomers. I think it is tacky as the win/loss record each season does it well by itself.

That being said I hope we can agree that when he boils it down to his X/O breakdowns he should be taken seriously. Or not ?

Absolutely. I actually wish he would do it more often. But when one's opinion is either all doom and gloom or all rainbows and unicorns, it lowers the value that I put on their opinion. Chatham left the realm of the regular, every day homer a long time ago.

 

[IllegalContact]

The argument would be that the Pats are a more balanced team. Basically, they’re a bunch of *middle* guys from the old “Blades of Steel” hockey game, whereas the LA Rams are a combo of skinny (stars) and fat (worthless JAGs).

So far, the Rams look better, but the hope is that things will even themselves out as the season progresses. To take it one step further, the Rams currently hold an advantage by having a franchise QB on his rookie deal. Whether or not they’ll be able to stay relevant in a couple of years is anyone’s guess. There’s no doubt that recent injuries and poor drafting have hurt the NEP, but we’ve seen them bounce back from that before during the next season.

I like their chances better in a couple of years than a team with a 41 year old QB with nothing behind him

 

[mcmurtry86]

The argument would be that the Pats are a more balanced team. Basically, they’re a bunch of *middle* guys from the old “Blades of Steel” hockey game, whereas the LA Rams are a combo of skinny (stars) and fat (worthless JAGs).

So far, the Rams look better, but the hope is that things will even themselves out as the season progresses. To take it one step further, the Rams currently hold an advantage by having a franchise QB on his rookie deal. Whether or not they’ll be able to stay relevant in a couple of years is anyone’s guess. There’s no doubt that recent injuries and poor drafting have hurt the NEP, but we’ve seen them bounce back from that before during the next season.

Yes, the Pats have typically been successful because their roster has a deep “second tier” of players. However, I would argue that this year’s roster, unlike most other Belichick ones, is quite top heavy. Take the top 4 guys (Brady, Gronk, Gilmore, Flowers) out of the picture and compare the Patriots roster from player 5-53 to the same 5 through 53 of other rosters. How many teams are the Pats definitely better than? I’d say not very many. They’re outright bad at too position groupings and at best mediocre at the others. Having “name” players like Shelton, Patterson, Clayborn etc doesn’t mean this guys are good (they haven’t been). The roster is significantly weaker man for man after the top 5 guys than we have seen in a decade or two. It’s a bad roster with a handful of great players at key positions. Having Brady, Gronk and Belichick should be enough to carry a mediocre to below average roster to a winning season but not a strong playoff run.

People are kidding themselves if they think this roster is anywhere close to the usual talent level the Pats have.