The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

[captain insano]

I've read your posts. You are a troll.

lol you sound like jack bauer. hes a clown to.

 

[jimnance]

kiss my ass. i dont like the trade. thats not trolling you idiot. hes a potentional DUI and a mental case. he cant even show up to meetings on time.

Pot/kettle?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

GFY **** for brains lol. clown.

Wow, captain insano shows no mercy.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Not expecting too mich first week or two. Just see him getting acclimated to the team and playbook.

Really interested to see how he works out with Brady. Don’t think he’s had a super accurate qb in his tenure and just wonder how his crazy take it to the house style blends with Brady’s timing.

Like the move and think it’s worth the risk and 5th round price.

 

[primetime]

As someone pointed out on Twitter, the Pats have traded their 5th every year since 2011......the latest being for Patterson in the spring.

I mean, I guess you could draft Tyreek Hill in the 5th round, and then we could've been fans of a guy who choked out his pregnant girlfriend - far, far worse than anything Gordon's ever done.

 

[SVN]

As someone on reddit pointed out , if this works out
"So you may give up a 5th that's closer to a 6th. But you can get back a 7th that's closer to a 6th."

 

[BradyFTW!]

I knew someone would ***** about a conditional 5th for a potential gramebreaking WR.

You need more sunshine in your life....or troll somewhere else.

Agreed, the Patriots' 5th round picks in the last decade:

JaWhaun Bentley
Joe Cardona
Marcus Cannon
Lee Smith
Zoltan Mesko
George Bussey

The jury's still out on Bentley, but of the others Cannon is the only one you wouldn't give up with zero hesitation for a shot at Gordon's upside, and he was only even available there because he dropped a ton and missed a year on account of having cancer.

Given the level of talent that's generally available in the 5th round, trading that pick for the chance to get a useful version of Gordon is pretty obviously a good call.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

kiss my ass. i dont like the trade. thats not trolling you idiot. hes a potentional DUI and a mental case. he cant even show up to meetings on time.

If he ends up sticking in NE, the Browns get a 5th round pick.

If he can’t beat the drug habit, the Patriots get a 7th round pick back.

Expect the Pats to draft near the end of round 5, the Browns to draft near the beginning of Round 7.

That means NE is getting test drive on Gordon which, if it fails, will cost them about 35 spots on the 3rd day of the draft.

The part of the draft that trends toward being a complete crap shoot anyway.

The price was negligible.

 

[RobertWeathers]

GFY **** for brains lol. clown.

You were easy to sucker in. I called you out and you fell for it.

I look forward to @Ross12 banning your trolling ***

 

[primetime]

Never said he was washed up. I am simply curious how far removed he is from his 2013 form. As far as the TD in week one... i don't know what you're talking about. He gets the outside sure, but he never got even a half step of separation up the field. Let alone a step and a half. He MAY have had separation on other plays, but i didn't get to watch the game. I would be curious if we could find a video showing all his routes for that game and how he did.

That's all the separation you get in the NFL unless the coverage breaks down. The guys you're playing against aren't high schoolers.

 

[JetFan79]

This dude was an all-pro...in 2013!

It’s been a full five years. His skill level is unlikely to be anything near what it once was. His confidence, focus, and commitment are clearly never coming back.

The optimism here reminds me of the Albert Haynesworth signing. Total dud who should have conceivably been able to return to his dominant form, under the right environment, but he isn’t going to.

Move on.

Last week...



Skill: ✔

Have you changed your opinion of Gordon in the last couple hours?

 

[PatsfanTN]

Lol, 5th round pick was worth it just for this:

Browns to Cut Josh Gordon (Traded to Pats)

 

[captain insano]

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[BradyFTW!]

Last point in this tweet is interesting - apparently it was supposed to be a 6th rounder, but the Pats don't have one. So no one else was willing to go for more than a 6th, it looks like.

 

[Hyped]

Never said he was washed up. I am simply curious how far removed he is from his 2013 form. As far as the TD in week one... i don't know what you're talking about. He gets the outside sure, but he never got even a half step of separation up the field. Let alone a step and a half. He MAY have had separation on other plays, but i didn't get to watch the game. I would be curious if we could find a video showing all his routes for that game and how he did.

I do think we can question how much straight line speed is there at this point. He had a good game last season vs Pitt but on the one really big play he makes when he gets behind people we can't really tell if he out ran his guy or if it was a break down in coverage. Also while you criticize Kizer it is worth noting Tom Brady couldn't have thrown that one big pass any better than Kizer did. Even bad QBs can make a few amazing passes or have a few amazing games.

in 2017 he got 18 catches for 335 yards but it took 42 targets to do it. Is that on the QB or was he not getting open a lot? I have no idea honestly.

I am not saying he can't potentially be good. I am certainly not saying he is washed up. I'm saying I don't know how good he will be. He almost certainly won't be prime Josh Gordon. I think he will give the Patriots something. I just don't know what yet and i'm not going to get my hopes up.

To put it purely as a statistical thing how many yards can we expect out of him? 300? 500? 800? 1200? I don't have any idea. I hope a lot but I just don't know how much is there at this point.

First...let's just ASSUME he plays all year without getting suspended or whatever...

Secondly, let's ASSUME he gets about 40-45 reps a game...

I think the floor is at least 45 catches, 600 yards, and 5 TD's over the final 14 games....with about 5 targets per game...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agreed, the Patriots' 5th round picks in the last decade:

JaWhaun Bentley
Joe Cardona
Marcus Cannon
Lee Smith
Zoltan Mesko
George Bussey

The jury's still out on Bentley, but of the others Cannon is the only one you wouldn't give up with zero hesitation for a shot at Gordon's upside, and he was only even available there because he dropped a ton and missed a year on account of having cancer.

Given the level of talent that's generally available in the 5th round, trading that pick for the chance to get a useful version of Gordon is pretty obviously a good call.

I can see busting BBs chops for an unconditional 5th on a burn out. But if Josh doesn't play 10 games they are covered.

Its a no-brainer.

 

[captain insano]

If he ends up sticking in NE, the Browns get a 5th round pick.

If he can’t beat the drug habit, the Patriots get a 7th round pick back.

Expect the Pats to draft near the end of round 5, the Browns to draft near the beginning of Round 7.

That means NE is getting test drive on Gordon which, if it fails, will cost them about 35 spots on the 3rd day of the draft.

The part of the draft that trends toward being a complete crap shoot anyway.

The price was negligible.

ok. thanks

 

[RobertWeathers]

Last point in this tweet is interesting - apparently it was supposed to be a 6th rounder, but the Pats don't have one. So no one else was willing to go for more than a 6th, it looks like.

The market was understandably soft for Josh. Pats were desperate. It is what it is

 

[BradyFTW!]

why waste the pick at all?

Why assume it's wasted? There's risk either way: if keep the pick and use it, odds are you're getting a guy who may not be good enough to make your roster, and almost certainly won't ever be a player of any note. If you use the pick on Gordon, there's a good chance he won't turn into much of a contributor.

It's an odds game either way, if there's even a 10% chance that Gordon plays to his potential you make the trade, because his potential is so much better than the expected career value of a 5th round pick.

 

[Flash]

Let's not worry about all the drug issues. If it happens, it happens, we get a 7th round back, he leaves the team by the end of the season and hopefully gets the help he needs, we all move on. Low risk, high reward move.

I'm more worried about whether he can learn the playbooks quick enough to help us sooner than later. People make a lot of exaggerated comparisons to Moss but Moss was a smart football guy. I don't want Gordon to become a Chad Ochocinco.