Book claims that Brady was furious with Kraft after Deflategate.

[QuantumMechanic]

This is what I don't get about Kraft. His team is being raked over the coals and he just sits there like "sure, I won't release the numbers to the public." What's the worst that Goodell could have done to him or the team?

Take away more draft choices? Suspend Kraft as an owner for a season? (Like MLB did with Marge Schott). Remember, he could do virtually anything to the NE org (especially if 24 owners agreed) and there's nothing Kraft could do about it. Heck, if Kraft had disobeyed on that Goodell probably would have falsely claimed BB was involved and suspended him.

 

[Koma]

New Book Spills How Tom Brady and the Patriots Made Their Super Bowl Comeback

an excerpt to prove my point..

When then commissioner, Paul Tagliabue, announced his retirement in 2006, Goodell was just one of several candidates being discussed to replace him. Robert Kraft campaigned vigorously on Goodell’s behalf and through a savvy combination of hand holding and arm twisting, convinced his fellow owners to appoint his young protégé as the new commissioner of the most lucrative and important professional sports league in America.

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Not directed at you, Joker, but RayClay disproved this way back in post 42. The authors of this book or their editors couldn't do the research to find out that Kraft backed a different candidate for commissioner and only changed his position when he saw that Goodell had earned overwhelming support.

Plus, this line of thinking makes no sense. The belief is that Goodell was Kraft's protege, his pupil. Kraft was a mentor, a father figure to Goodell. If all of that is true, why does Goodell continually over punish Kraft's team? If their relationship was really what the authors believe, you would see the opposite treatment, like what the Jets, Giants and Steelers enjoy.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Take away more draft choices? Suspend Kraft as an owner for a season? (Like MLB did with Marge Schott). Remember, he could do virtually anything to the NE org (especially if 24 owners agreed) and there's nothing Kraft could do about it. Heck, if Kraft had disobeyed on that Goodell probably would have falsely claimed BB was involved and suspended him.

You could easily leak the numbers through 3rd parties. I think Kraft put the league ahead of his own team.

 

[MagicMarker]

Mike Kensil has been seen. He appeared at the 2018 NFL Draft on Day 3 to announce a pick. He was booed, although the announcers ignored it.

The thing that always gets me is the WORST cheating cases in NFL histories (ones that I think the team that committed them should have to forfeit the game).

1. Atlanta piping in noise when the opposing team had the ball.
2. New York Giants coach Ben McAdoo talking to Eli through the headset after it should have turned off, which could have even been AFTER the ball was snapped.

In the first case, the cost was a fourth round pick (and a GM suspension) and the second a drop of eight spots in the fourth round. What would have the Patriots have received for those?

 

[Joker]

Not directed at you, Joker, but RayClay disproved this way back in post 42. The authors of this book or their editors couldn't do the research to find out that Kraft backed a different candidate for commissioner and only changed his position when he saw that Goodell had earned overwhelming support.

Plus, this line of thinking makes no sense. The belief is that Goodell was Kraft's protege, his pupil. Kraft was a mentor, a father figure to Goodell. If all of that is true, why does Goodell continually over punish Kraft's team? If their relationship was really what the authors believe, you would see the opposite treatment, like what the Jets, Giants and Steelers enjoy.

The "FATHER" to Goodell was LEON HESS, the owner of the New York Jets. THE person who launched Goodell's career at NFL Offices.

 

[DarrylS]

It drives me crazy how sports radio in this town is *****ing about how the farm system is void of talent when this team is on a pace to win 112 games.

Tried again to listen to sportstalk over the weekend.. and some guy was whining about is this team "built" for the offseason?? It seems that the intent of sportstalk is no longer to inform, but to push some whacked out attention seeking host who only wants controversy..

 

[sb1]

Take away more draft choices? Suspend Kraft as an owner for a season? (Like MLB did with Marge Schott). Remember, he could do virtually anything to the NE org (especially if 24 owners agreed) and there's nothing Kraft could do about it. Heck, if Kraft had disobeyed on that Goodell probably would have falsely claimed BB was involved and suspended him.

Yup. I think a season long BB suspension would have been next regardless of his involvement. That’s what they did to the Saints and it was very effective stopping cold a team’s run of dominance.

As for these guys deflating footballs... I did wonder about it and I think in a way it levels with the text messages but it also feels like if they were really doing that they would have told Wells and we would all know. I’m guessing they’re not the brightest bulbs but they’d understand not to mess with the game balls after inspection.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Tried again to listen to sportstalk over the weekend.. and some guy was whining about is this team "built" for the offseason?? It seems that the intent of sportstalk is no longer to inform, but to push some whacked out attention seeking host who only wants controversy..

It's awful.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

As for these guys deflating footballs... I did wonder about it and I think in a way it levels with the text messages but it also feels like if they were really doing that they would have told Wells and we would all know. I’m guessing they’re not the brightest bulbs but they’d understand not to mess with the game balls after inspection.

Given that in a hundred years the NFL never showed any signs of caring about ball pressure and that the league’s own refs at least once broke the the ball pressure rules themselves, and given how much QBs are legally allowed to screw with the balls, I could totally see them thinking that messing with the balls after inspection as long as they remained in the legal range isn’t much different than a team letting the grass grow a bit longer than regulation - something technically illegal but nothing the league had ever cared about or enforced beyond some “come on, don’t make me come over there” letter.

 

[IllegalContact]

Brady was also furious about Jimmy G........whose departure has allowed brady to basically turn into prick

 

[ivanvamp]

Given that in a hundred years the NFL never showed any signs of caring about ball pressure and that the league’s own refs at least once broke the the ball pressure rules themselves, and given how much QBs are legally allowed to screw with the balls, I could totally see them thinking that messing with the balls after inspection as long as they remained in the legal range isn’t much different than a team letting the grass grow a bit longer than regulation - something technically illegal but nothing the league had ever cared about or enforced beyond some “come on, don’t make me come over there” letter.

It will always rankle me to no end that just weeks before the Pats-Colts AFCCG, the Panthers were caught ON TELEVISION tampering with air pressure in the footballs on the sideline during the game in Minnesota, and the NFL cared SOOOO much about it that they sent... a short memo saying, in effect, "Hey guys, just a reminder that you can't do that." But suddenly it was SUCH a big deal when the Patriots "did it" (which, of course, there's literally no evidence they actually DID), that it warranted an investigation, complete with the biggest penalty in NFL history.

Just unbelievable.

 

[brdmaverick]

Wasn't Kraft also later furious with himself for having done that and having been so stupid to think that bowing down to RG would help his QB?

I'm no super duper Robert Kraft defender, but in hindsight everyone, including him, knows it was a screw-up, and everyone other than him knew it was a screw-up RIGHT THEN.

I'm not a Kraft fan, but in a way I can sympathize with the tough situation he was in.

He was caught in the middle and desperately wanted to stay on good terms with the Commish/fellow owners and also Brady/the team/the fans. Instead of deflecting questions or playing it right down the middle, he would constantly flip sides. In his attempt to appease everyone he pissed off everyone instead.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Given that in a hundred years the NFL never showed any signs of caring about ball pressure and that the league’s own refs at least once broke the the ball pressure rules themselves, and given how much QBs are legally allowed to screw with the balls, I could totally see them thinking that messing with the balls after inspection as long as they remained in the legal range isn’t much different than a team letting the grass grow a bit longer than regulation - something technically illegal but nothing the league had ever cared about or enforced beyond some “come on, don’t make me come over there” letter.

I dream about all the Saw-like things I'd do to Ben Dreith if I could go back in time and get him prior to that game...the NFL would find a replacement.

 

[Koma]

1. Atlanta piping in noise when the opposing team had the ball.
2. New York Giants coach Ben McAdoo talking to Eli through the headset after it should have turned off, which could have even been AFTER the ball was snapped.

In the first case, the cost was a fourth round pick (and a GM suspension) and the second a drop of eight spots in the fourth round. What would have the Patriots have received for those?

What's galling about the Giants use of walkie talkies is that, in that same month, Giants sideline personnel used a pressure gauge to determine that the Steelers footballs were under the PSI limit.

The NFL has told everyone that tampering with footballs and the use of electronic devices on the sidelines outside of the rules are two of the worst transgressions a football team can commit. These acts compromise the ideas of fair play, a level playing field and the very integrity of the game. In December of 2016, one team was guilty of both of those offenses within a couple of weeks.

The total punishment for the Giants for these violations was a $150K fine for the team, a $50k fine for the head coach and their 4th round pick dropped from pick 130 to pick 140. As a bonus, these incidents are almost never mentioned in the media and, even though they took place less than 2 years ago, are largely forgotten. I guess if John Mara had been a better friend and mentor to Goodell, his team would have really gotten punished

 

[lancerman]

You’re missing my point. I already said nothing happened in the AFCCG. The Wells report data on the balls proves nothing was done to those balls.

But that doesn’t make Jastremski and McNally sound any less shady in general. I’m with @PatsWickedPissah — I will not be surprised to find out one day that J&M were deflating balls back down to 12.5. (Which they did not do at the AFCCG because that time the refs left them at 12.5).

I’ve always maintained the most likely scenario is that Brady chewed them out after the refs botched the Jets game and to cover their ass they decided to let a little air out after the inspection with no intention of going below the limit but they were incompetent and did a shoddy job

 

[Joker]

I’ve always maintained the most likely scenario is that Brady chewed them out after the refs botched the Jets game and to cover their ass they decided to let a little air out after the inspection with no intention of going below the limit but they were incompetent and did a shoddy job

Oh..I see...so the ref's completely incompetent use of the gauges means nothing, eh? Nice afternoon, Felger.Why not throw the ol' "phone" red herring out there too while you're at it.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I’ve always maintained the most likely scenario is that Brady chewed them out after the refs botched the Jets game and to cover their ass they decided to let a little air out after the inspection with no intention of going below the limit but they were incompetent and did a shoddy job

There's no reason to conclude they did "a shoddy job" (if they in fact did anything at all). The only game there are measurements for -- the 2014 AFCCG -- conclusively proves nothing was done to the balls in that game. The in-game balls measured exactly where PV=nkT said they should be.
Even if they were (illegally) bringing balls back down to 12.5 PSI they didn't need to do anything in the 2014 AFCCG because the refs left the balls at the 12.5 that NE submitted them at.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

What's galling about the Giants use of walkie talkies is that, in that same month, Giants sideline personnel used a pressure gauge to determine that the Steelers footballs were under the PSI limit.

The NFL has told everyone that tampering with footballs and the use of electronic devices on the sidelines outside of the rules are two of the worst transgressions a football team can commit. These acts compromise the ideas of fair play, a level playing field and the very integrity of the game. In December of 2016, one team was guilty of both of those offenses within a couple of weeks.

The total punishment for the Giants for these violations was a $150K fine for the team, a $50k fine for the head coach and their 4th round pick dropped from pick 130 to pick 140. As a bonus, these incidents are almost never mentioned in the media and, even though they took place less than 2 years ago, are largely forgotten. I guess if John Mara had been a better friend and mentor to Goodell, his team would have really gotten punished

Slapped on the wrist, and no one's ever heard about it.

Just like Tagliabue and the Broncos.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It will always rankle me to no end that just weeks before the Pats-Colts AFCCG, the Panthers were caught ON TELEVISION tampering with air pressure in the footballs on the sideline during the game in Minnesota, and the NFL cared SOOOO much about it that they sent... a short memo saying, in effect, "Hey guys, just a reminder that you can't do that." But suddenly it was SUCH a big deal when the Patriots "did it" (which, of course, there's literally no evidence they actually DID), that it warranted an investigation, complete with the biggest penalty in NFL history.

Just unbelievable.

It became a big deal after Bob Kravitz carefully crafted his tweet as if the Pats committed a crime. Once it went viral, the Pats were screwed and caused the NFL to overreact once again.

Kravitz ended up apologizing for the way he handled it. Chris Mortenson did the same.

 

[The Brandon Five]

It became a big deal after Bob Kravitz carefully crafted his tweet as if the Pats committed a crime. Once it went viral, the Pats were screwed and caused the NFL to overreact once again.

Kravitz ended up apologizing for the way he handled it. Chris Mortenson did the same.

When did Mort apologize?