Book claims that Brady was furious with Kraft after Deflategate.

[SHOWTIME15]

I think Yee was smart.

Yee made the biggest blunder by telling Brady it was ok to destroy his cell phone. He should have told Brady to keep it locked away somewhere, just because you know Goondell was going to use this an excuse to nail him.

 

[Tony2046]

Yee made the biggest blunder by telling Brady it was ok to destroy his cell phone. He should have told Brady to keep it locked away somewhere, just because you know Goondell was going to use this an excuse to nail him.

Yeah that was a bad move. I agree.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yee made the biggest blunder by telling Brady it was ok to destroy his cell phone. He should have told Brady to keep it locked away somewhere, just because you know Goondell was going to use this an excuse to nail him.

The problem was Yee is a sports attorney and at that moment Tom needed a defense attorney. The problem is he didn't know that at that point in time

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The big mystery is why haven't Jastremski and MacNally ever said anything. The obvious answer is somebody paid them for their silence. But who?

I think they threatened to sue the NFL for defamation and the league paid them off.

Fauria talked about this yesterday because he knows one of them, I guess they were forbidden to talk when Fauria explained why I had arrived at my appt and missed the rest of the conversation.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Yee made the biggest blunder by telling Brady it was ok to destroy his cell phone. He should have told Brady to keep it locked away somewhere, just because you know Goondell was going to use this an excuse to nail him.

The biggest blunder was not having an appellate court specialist brief and argue the case before the Second Circuit.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The NFL and Goodell knew it was BS but would never walk it back after going after it so hard. I bet 90% of the current QBs would have taken that deal, that we why TB is TB.

I disagree. I think very few of them would have taken it.

It doesn't take some above and beyond amount of integrity not to take that deal. Even someone without much integrity at all wouldn't take that deal.

Why?

Because taking that deal is admitting that you and your team are cheaters. Even if they don't give a damn about the rest of the organization, I think very few NFL QBs are going to call themselves cheaters. The deal <Ackbar>was a trap!</Ackbar>

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Starting to read the book. It confirms that the Ravens and Colts were in contact with each other prior to the 2014 AFCCG. This whole mess started when Harbaugh got upset at the Pats for running those trick formations where Vereen declared himself ineligible. This led to Brady making that snarky comment after the game that the Ravens should read the rulebook.

In the days leading up to the AFC championship, Ravens assistant head coach and special teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg placed a phone call to his friend Colts head coach Chuck Pagano. Pagano had close ties to the Baltimore organization, having served as the team’s defensive coordinator in 2011. Rosburg informed his former colleague of something rotten in the state of Denmark. The special teams coach believed that within the palace walls of Gillette Stadium there lurked corruption and deceit on a scale that would have inspired William Shakespeare. Rosburg explained that the Ravens had experienced serious issues when they were in kicking or punt situations during their game with the Patriots. Each time, before they lined up a kick, the Ravens were handed new footballs instead of the balls Rosburg and his team had prepared themselves.

“Be careful,” he warned Pagano. That conversation was then relayed to Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan, who pushed it up the chain of command to general manager Ryan Grigson. Sullivan surmised that the problems with the footballs went far beyond the kicking game. “As far as the game balls are concerned, it is well known around the league that after the Patriots game balls are checked by officials and brought out for game usage by the ball boys, the Patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better,” Sullivan wrote in an e-mail. “It would be great if someone would check the air in the game ball as the game goes on so that they don’t get an illegal advantage.”

As the Colts’ coaches prepared their game plan for New England, the Indianapolis front office hatched a plan of its own for the AFC championship. Tom Brady, of course, was oblivious to the cloak-and-dagger operation. He had routed the Colts in one of the most decisive playoff wins of his storied career. After that game, Brady made sure he did not get lured into another controversy and was at his controlled best during the postgame press conference, praising both the Colts and the Patriots’ opponent in the upcoming Super Bowl, the Seattle Seahawks.

 

[Tony2046]

Starting to read the book. It confirms that the Ravens and Colts were in contact with each other prior to the 2014 AFCCG. This whole mess started when Harbaugh got upset at the Pats for running those trick formations where Vareen declared himself ineligible. This led to Brady making that snarky comment after the game that the Ravens should read the rulebook.

The funny thing about that quote is that the NFL handles the kicking balls and not the home team.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The biggest blunder was not having an appellate court specialist brief and argue the case before the Second Circuit.

yeah that was screw-up #2...Kessler thinking he was a good appellate attorney.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Starting to read the book. It confirms that the Ravens and Colts were in contact with each other prior to the 2014 AFCCG. This whole mess started when Harbaugh got upset at the Pats for running those trick formations where Vereen declared himself ineligible. This led to Brady making that snarky comment after the game that the Ravens should read the rulebook.

I’m in the camp that no intentional deflation took place and that any measurements below the limit were due to the ideal gas law. So if this email referencing intentional deflation with a needle is true, I’m a little weirded out. Seems like a really random thing to predict / accuse if it weren’t actually happening.

 

[Tony2046]

I’m in the camp that no intentional deflation took place and that any measurements below the limit were due to the ideal gas law. So if this email referencing intentional deflation with a needle is true, I’m a little weirded out. Seems like a really random thing to predict / accuse if it weren’t actually happening.

The bigger picture is that the NFL never cared about ball pressure.

From the ice bowl to a hot day in Phoenix ball pressures have varied from 8 to 15 psi. The NFL's own ball preparation protocol guarantees that.

Brady's numbers since defamegate have been elite.

It was a witch hunt.

But the NFL got the fan base focused on the Cheatriots and air pressure which according to the Wells report amounted to about 0.3 psi.

Along the way they underestimated Brady's resolve and it became CBA power battle. Article 46.

If something happened there would not have been a reason for Goondell to lie about Brady's appeal testimony among other things to ensure public sentiment was in full force against Brady.

If something happened Exponent would have had much clearer evidence but instead relied on accepted recollections/assumptions except, of course, the one recollection that would have shown no deflation at all. And maybe not had to use misleading pictures of gauges and charts. Which , by the way, was refuted by 21 Doctors of Science in an amicus brief.

Nope nothing happened except for the NFL tripping over itself and resorting to the nuclear option to save face.

The whole thing turned into a huge red f'ing herring. Air pressure never mattered but the NFL used it to punish the Patriots and subsequently a CBA power grab.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I’m in the camp that no intentional deflation took place and that any measurements below the limit were due to the ideal gas law. So if this email referencing intentional deflation with a needle is true, I’m a little weirded out. Seems like a really random thing to predict / accuse if it weren’t actually happening.

I think the email was a result of the Colts believing that the balls in previous Patriots-Colts games losing pressure was the result of the Patriots tampering with them. They, like the rest of the NFL world, were too ignorant of science to understand the balls are going to lose air in cold weather.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I’m in the camp that no intentional deflation took place and that any measurements below the limit were due to the ideal gas law. So if this email referencing intentional deflation with a needle is true, I’m a little weirded out. Seems like a really random thing to predict / accuse if it weren’t actually happening.

There were several emails/texts between Jastremski and McNally I thought (and still do think) were suspicious.

Anyhow,when the Wells report came out and I read it, my gut reaction was:
* Nothing at all happened at the AFCCG — the NFL’s own bought and paid for numbers from Exponent show that.
* However, after that Jets game earlier in the season where the refs pumped up the balls after NE submitted them (and Brady was royally POd by that) I wouldn’t be shocked if Jastremski and McNally cooked up some scheme to measure the balls after the refs were done with then and lower them back to 12.5 (but no lower) if the refs pumped them up from the 12.5 they submitted them at.

 

[LaterGator]

There were several emails/texts between Jastremski and McNally I thought (and still do think) were suspicious.

Anyhow,when the Wells report came out and I read it, my gut reaction was:
* Nothing at all happened at the AFCCG — the NFL’s own bought and paid for numbers from Exponent show that.
* However, after that Jets game earlier in the season where the refs pumped up the balls after NE submitted them (and Brady was royally POd by that) I wouldn’t be shocked if Jastremski and McNally cooked up some scheme to measure the balls after the refs were done with then and lower them back to 12.5 (but no lower) if the refs pumped them up from the 12.5 they submitted them at.

As you may recall Brady specifically told them the balls should be set between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, that and the actual data in the Well's report should have ended it. The balls started at 12.5 just as Brady instructed.

If the NFL cheated and intentionally over-inflated the balls that's a total crock of crooked sh!t.

 

[TB_Helmet]

There were several emails/texts between Jastremski and McNally I thought (and still do think) were suspicious.

Anyhow,when the Wells report came out and I read it, my gut reaction was:
* Nothing at all happened at the AFCCG — the NFL’s own bought and paid for numbers from Exponent show that.
* However, after that Jets game earlier in the season where the refs pumped up the balls after NE submitted them (and Brady was royally POd by that) I wouldn’t be shocked if Jastremski and McNally cooked up some scheme to measure the balls after the refs were done with then and lower them back to 12.5 (but no lower) if the refs pumped them up from the 12.5 they submitted them at.

Yeah, that's plausible. Still, the Jets game was in October, so word would have had to spread, to the point that it was being communicated in emails between rival teams, in a relatively short period of time.

That Jets game messed everything up, from what I understand it was the first time Brady was aware of the inflation rules, since the refs overinflated the balls and between that and the rain, Brady had a bad game. So it led to some weird text messages between the equipment guys that were used against us in the Wells report, and possibly had some other consequences like you suggest.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

@LaterGator I’m not talking about the AFCCG. As I said, no one touched any balls then and Exponent’s own paid for numbers prove it.

I’m talking about earlier in the season. Brady was ripping mad after the refs pumped up the balls in the Jets game after NE submitted them. As I recall, that is something the refs are allowed to do. The refs are allowed to mess with the pressure of the balls to their satisfaction as long as the refs leave them between 12.5 and 13.5.

 

[LaterGator]

@LaterGator I’m not talking about the AFCCG. As I said, no one touched any balls then and Exponent’s own paid for numbers prove it.

I’m talking about earlier in the season. Brady was ripping mad after the refs pumped up the balls in the Jets game after NE submitted them. As I recall, that is something the refs are allowed to do. The refs are allowed to mess with the pressure of the balls to their satisfaction as long as the refs leave them between 12.5 and 13.5.

Yes that's when Brady instructed them the balls should be set at 12.5-13.5. In that game the refs over-inflated some balls to around 16 psi. If they deliberately did that again, it's an indictment on the NFL, not the Patriots.

 

[LaterGator]

I can't recall any suspicious texts between Yaz and McNally, what I've seen is vague references to "deflator" McNally referring to himself and "Dorito ****" what he called Yaz.

But he was called "Bird" by everyone, the Wells report repeatedly called him the "Deflator" despite 99% of the time being called by his nickname "Bird"

Apparently the man flies like a bird while deflating footballs.

 

[Tony2046]

Yeah, that's plausible. Still, the Jets game was in October, so word would have had to spread, to the point that it was being communicated in emails between rival teams, in a relatively short period of time.

That Jets game messed everything up, from what I understand it was the first time Brady was aware of the inflation rules, since the refs overinflated the balls and between that and the rain, Brady had a bad game. So it led to some weird text messages between the equipment guys that were used against us in the Wells report, and possibly had some other consequences like you suggest.

One of those weird messages said 'damn Brady's right the refs ****ed us.....they were supposed to be at 13' hahaha

 

[Tony2046]

I can't recall any suspicious texts between Yaz and McNally, what I've seen is vague references to "deflator" McNally referring to himself and "Dorito ****" what he called Yaz.

But he was called "Bird" by everyone, the Wells report repeatedly called him the "Deflator" despite 99% of the time being called by his nickname "Bird"

Apparently the man flies like a bird while deflating footballs.

Brady thought his name was Burt. haha

It was Dorito Dink.

The single deflator message was in March or May but before the season even started.