2018 Training Camp Thread - Days 4 & 5 (7/29-30/18)

[TheRainMaker]

According to Danny Shelton the team got 2 nights off because of this catch, which is why they went nuts. (Good for BB for giving Wynn another shot.)

I'd rather hear him being the reason for two nights off because he stuffed the RB's.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I'd rather hear him being the reason for two nights off because he stuffed the RB's.

Well usually this is a tradition in a BB TC...a rather large player attempts to catch a punt so the guys get a night or two off. Wilfork is an example of someone who has done it in the past. This time it was Wynn.

Shelton was asked after practice why they went nuts and he said they got 2 nights off.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Well usually this is a tradition in a BB TC...a rather large player attempts to catch a punt so the guys get a night or two off. Wilfork is an example of someone who has done it in the past. This time it was Wynn.

Shelton was asked after practice why they went nuts and he said they got 2 nights off.

Frankly this is the first time I ever heard of someone failing in this situation. I think Belichick offered the redo because he wasn't prepared for that contingency!

 

[bormio]

Frankly this is the first time I ever heard of someone failing in this situation. I think Belichick offered the redo because he wasn't prepared for that contingency!

Naw, it is the new, kinder, gentler BB for 2018.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The issue really was BB and Lombardi royally ****ing up on Hicks and then having to settle for Branch. Yes it worked out for 2016 and we got a title out of it so this makes it all relative but screwing up the evaluation of his market and the contract offer (per Lombardi on the Ringer) really was one of the bigger roster building blunders.

Horrible post. Re-read your last sentence again and research Hicks's 2nd contract w CHI

 

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[SHOWTIME15]

I'd rather hear him being the reason for two nights off because he stuffed the RB's.

Bill likes to pick on one of the o-linemen every year for this. He’s done it to Light and Seabass in the past. However, they didn’t drop the ball.

 

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somebody out there is publishing this thread..

 

[long distance]

if you want a clear, open, informative, straightforward answer from BB . all you have to do is ask the right question..

 

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Dawson as projected..

 

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[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

 

[TheRainMaker]

somebody out there is publishing this thread..

I don’t know about that. 2002 was the worst I’ve seen.

 

[NormZauchin]

I’m sorry, I thought this was America.

Well, it's becoming Latin America.

 

[signbabybrady]

Frankly this is the first time I ever heard of someone failing in this situation. I think Belichick offered the redo because he wasn't prepared for that contingency!

Jules was helping prep Wynn for the first attempt and after the drop Jules started running around pleading for the second try. He got the crowd behind him too but even still pretty sure you're right that Bill wanted to give them the day off. Tomorrow was already listed as closed to the public.

 

[supafly]

somebody out there is publishing this thread..

Some of the media members have been known to borrow some of our ideas from time to time.

 

[ralmat55]

When the DL is a sieve, a legitimate threat to run tends to make everyone else on the defense hesitate, including pass-rushers and mmbers of the secondary. The RPO was specifically designed to create and exploit that hesitation.

When that run-D deficient defense also has lmited personnel at LB capable of both coverage and run-D, it's only logical to compensate by using predominantly safeties in the secondary to help out against the run.

In the Superbowl, Foles and the Eagles coaches used their RPO run threat perfectly against a defense that simply didn't have the personnel anywhere on the roster who were capable of dealing with it effectively. There were no substitutions or adjustments available that would have made any difference.

This is the very last time I'll be addressing the subject. I'm on to 2018.

Such a dismissive last paragraph. “Mr. Football” has spoken, so it’s on to 2018.

The vaunted RPO was not the reason Clement beat Jordan Richards like a drum on the wheel route at the end of the 1st half. It was not the reason Nelson Algolar got so much separation on P. Chung that he was able to catch poorly thrown passes by Foles. The RPO doesn’t explain why our FS was left in single coverage against their All-Pro TE. We’d all laugh with derision if some team tried matching their FS on Gronk man to man all game long.

“When the DL is a sieve”, it only accentuates the need to play pass defenders who can actually match up physically with the player they are covering so the safeties can cheat up to play the run. You see RPOs are basically play action with the QB not under center. There’s nothing new under the football sun. Same basic principles apply: get some penetration from your front 4 and play with discipline behind it.

This was not the game for the big nickel. It was a game to match up your 3 best CBs against their 3 wide outs, to match your underrated SS against their TE, and let your captain and best defensive center fielder use his range, instincts and tackling skills to cover over the top while also trying to stop 20 yard runs from turning into 4o yard runs.

 

[supafly]

This was not the game for the big nickel. It was a game to match up your 3 best CBs against their 3 wide outs, to match your underrated SS against their TE, and let your captain and best defensive center fielder use his range, instincts and tackling skills to cover over the top while also trying to stop 20 yard runs from turning into 4o yard runs.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, Kenneth, but Belichick started the season against KC with the same exact big nickel scheme. Even after watching it fail miserably against their RPO attack, he went back to it in the biggest game of the year, so he must have felt that there was a good reason to go back to it.

I think he was concerned with their ability to run the ball down NE’s throats, which they ended up doing in both games, anyway.

 

[luuked]

It's possible that the Pats woefully underbid the Bears. It's also possible that Hicks knew where his best fit was, and wouldn't have stayed with the Pats, even with a matching offer.

And both possibilities could be true simultaneously.

I am just going on what Lombardi said after the 2016 SB on one of the Ringer podcasts. He made it certainly sound like BB & him felt they underestimated the market and then essentially had to rely on Branch or stand there empty handed.

I tried to find the portion of the podcast for a bit but it has been a while and none of it is annotated so you gonna have to believe me on that.

All this being said I understand the other dynamics that were in play with the guy who drafted him for the Saints working for the Bears when they grabbed him in FA promising a better scheme fit. But ultimately money talks.