Patriots Rumor Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[chasa]

My point is that you cannot separate the Great Coach or Great GM from the decision. Whether you think he was right or wrong it's the way he has always coached and the way he has coached has led this team to an unmatched level of success.

Why didn't Brady miss any snaps after his blow up arguments with McDaniels and O'Brien?

 

[Ring 6]

feel free to go find ANY SINGLE POST where i said Butler did nothing wrong.

From the moment the game ended my stance has been Why was Butler benched, and every follow up has been trying to find ACTUAL answers, while at the same time dealing with trolls like you with your "Sources" and rumors, and the fact that even if everything you say is true, STILL doesn't merit a 100% benching in the superbowl.

i know that's a hard concept for you to understand, that the world isn't black and white, but some of us see shades of grey.

Yes i set you up for another trollish response using 50 shades of grey.

So you accept he did something. You don’t know what. But not knowing what you post that it couldn’t have been worthy of being benched.
That’s a hell of a line you draw. Nothing within the realm of possibility could justify benching a player.

 

[Ring 6]

Why didn't Brady miss any snaps after his blow up arguments with McDaniels and O'Brien?

because Brady didn’t do anything wrong

 

[TheRainMaker]

Too funny. "Sabotaged the game" and " can't admit BB made a mistake" in the same sentence followed with "beyond idiotic". hahaha

My mistake. Eric Rowe deserved to play over Malcolm Butler. Great call.

I wonder if people would be okay if Brady was suddenly benched in the biggest game of the year?

 

[Ring 6]

My mistake. Eric Rowe deserved to play over Malcolm Butler. Great call.

I wonder if people would be okay if Brady was suddenly benched in the biggest game of the year?

You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing Malcolm butler to Tom Brady.

 

[Tony2046]

Why didn't Brady miss any snaps after his blow up arguments with McDaniels and O'Brien?

You're implying that Butler had a blow up at one of the coaches. Is that what happened?

 

[TheRainMaker]

You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing Malcolm butler to Tom Brady.

I knew someone was going to point that out but that was not my intention.

 

[Tony2046]

My mistake. Eric Rowe deserved to play over Malcolm Butler. Great call.

I wonder if people would be okay if Brady was suddenly benched in the biggest game of the year?

Exactly. This is a perfect follow up to your previous post. Where are you going with this??

BB has benched Tom Brady before. Granted it wasn't the Super Bowl but he had a reason then as well.

 

[chasa]

You're implying that Butler had a blow up at one of the coaches. Is that what happened?

thats what someone said apparently.

 

[Tony2046]

thats what someone said apparently.

So we don't know. So how can I compare that to any other situation when I don't know what we're comparing it to?

I do know that when Brady was benched it was based on performance.

 

[chasa]

So we don't know. So how can I compare that to any other situation when I don't know what we're comparing it to?

I do know that when Brady was benched it was based on performance.

i guess we need to start all over from the beginning so that we can get to the truth you said you were going to defend so lets begin.

Why didn't the #2 CB that played 98% of the snaps during the regular season and playoffs get a SINGLE defensive snap in the superbowl that the patriots defense gave up a patriot record number of playoff points? So far we have no tangible evidence that Butler actually did anything while in Minn prepping for the superbowl, and the only logical reason is that BB benched him because he missed a flight.

Tony, do you think Missing a flight warrents being benched for the entire duration of the superbowl, a game in which the patriots were getting gouged on defense?

 

[Ring 6]

i guess we need to start all over from the beginning so that we can get to the truth you said you were going to defend so lets begin.

Why didn't the #2 CB that played 98% of the snaps during the regular season and playoffs get a SINGLE defensive snap in the superbowl that the patriots defense gave up a patriot record number of playoff points? So far we have no tangible evidence that Butler actually did anything while in Minn prepping for the superbowl, and the only logical reason is that BB benched him because he missed a flight.

Tony, do you think Missing a flight warrents being benched for the entire duration of the superbowl, a game in which the patriots were getting gouged on defense?

We have multiple reports that he struggled all
week in practice and assimilating the gameplan and he himself said he wasn’t dialed in all week, as he himself said a patriot is expected to be, by coaches and teammates. We saw his meltdown during the national anthem.
I know you really aren’t looking for answers and you know that the organization will never give details in stuff like this and wouldn’t even if they won 59-0 a d his replacement had 4 picks. I know you are asking BECAUSE we don’t know so you can turn that into your argument that no reason exists.
But when a fan of this team, with the way it has won, sees a player that struggled all year, hears reports that there was consideration of benching him for the afccg, and dismisses poor preparation and what sounds like a weak effort toward preparation on this team as meaningless it just means you don’t care to know the reason and what to bltch.

 

[Tony2046]

i guess we need to start all over from the beginning so that we can get to the truth you said you were going to defend so lets begin.

Why didn't the #2 CB that played 98% of the snaps during the regular season and playoffs get a SINGLE defensive snap in the superbowl that the patriots defense gave up a patriot record number of playoff points? So far we have no tangible evidence that Butler actually did anything while in Minn prepping for the superbowl, and the only logical reason is that BB benched him because he missed a flight.

Tony, do you think Missing a flight warrents being benched for the entire duration of the superbowl, a game in which the patriots were getting gouged on defense?

BB decided to bench Butler for some reason we do not know about. You agree that he must have had a reason don't you?

Your argument is trying to say the reason wasn't good enough but in the same breath you say you don't know what the reason was. You are simply speculating what it could have been.

My argument is that BB has coached the same way for the entire time he has been with the Pats which has led this team to a historic run.

BB had a reason to bench Butler whether you like it or not. But if you have enjoyed the last twenty years of Patriot football you have to accept his coaching style which includes his decision making process.

All this crap about "He sabotaged the game", "his ego blah blah" , "he tarnished his legacy" is a bunch of butthurt whiny bullsh1t.

One last thing, I'm 51 ( I don't know how old you are) and It's been a hell of a ride for all major sports teams over the last twenty years or so. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I don't know if TB and BB will go out on top or crash but whatever happens I will always appreciate the twenty years of being the best team in the league year after year after year.

So Chasa, I say all that respectfully as if we're chatting in a bar and having a few beers. I think you're a good poster and on occasion funny as hell but this stuff seems like BB is being judged in a vacuum when I think we should take the big picture view.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm a big Belichick fan and I'm happy to call Belichick a liar. I think he lies plenty in public! Though I also think his lies are mostly lies of omission or picking words verrrry carefully so that they are technically true but lead one to draw the opposite conclusion from what's really going on. And every now and then there's an outright falsehood, too.

Also:
1) This isn't any different from any other coach.
2) Saying he lies quite a bit is not the same as saying he lies most (or even a lot) of the time.

I chuckle at the people who take Belichick constantly at face value, especially about anything controversial.

Lying to the public was one thing. But now you’re accusing him of lying directly in the faces of his team... multiple times.

 

[signbabybrady]

Lying to the public was one thing. But now you’re accusing him of lying directly in the faces of his team... multiple times.

Grow up. He lied? Really this is your argument now? Grow up.

 

[aluminum seats]

Whether you think he was right or wrong it's the way he has always coached

No, I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think he always would’ve made such a terrible decision. I think things can change over time. He did make mistakes in the past (Welker and Seymour), but this is the first one that cost the Patriots a Super Bowl.

 

[Tony2046]

No, I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think he always would’ve made such a terrible decision. I think things can change over time. He did make mistakes in the past (Welker and Seymour), but this is the first one that cost the Patriots a Super Bowl.

We don't know why he benched Butler or if benching him cost the Patriots a super bowl. We do know he had a reason.

That decision was a product of BB's coaching style or system. He had a reason to bench Butler. Was it because of his performance in practice, something he said, being late or a combination of things? I don't know. I do know it's how he coaches and it has netted the team 8 trips to the Super Bowl resulting in 5 wins and 3 losses.

It's the same coaching style that chose to trade Collins and Jones, bench Tom Brady, not call a timeout at the end of SB 49, and a slew of other things that have been or could have been clickbait fodder in the past. This was no different.

His coaching style, whether we like all of the decisions or not, has led this team on a ridiculous two decade long run. Those decisions, whether we agree with them or not, set a tone for the entire team and for future players who decided to sign here. That tone, that environment and those decisions are the foundation to why they have won or been to so many big games. It's why veterans who want to win a championship come here.

It's not perfect but it is definitely historically great.

You say, "things can change over time". What changed? They just lost in a Super Bowl. They just made it to their 7th straight AFCCG. That's an insane accomplishment. And yes Tom Brady has "covered up some mistakes" or "carried" the team but BB has covered up or carried as well. It has been the perfect tandem.

If it's true that something has changed or "they hate their coach" or "the cliff" or "BB has lost his locker room" stuff is finally becoming true then it's been a hell of a ride but I think there's still more to come. The players they signed this offseason are coming here knowing BB's reputation and they also know that if they fall in line they'll have a chance at a championship. And I'll bet whatever it was that got Butler benched won't be something those players will do.

 

[The Brandon Five]

"Was a big factor" is total crap. Welker was benched for one series.

On which Brady threw a pick.

 

[Kontradiction]

Grow up. He lied? Really this is your argument now? Grow up.

I didn’t say that. You did. Your response when I brought that quote up was to tell me that his words aren’t what he REALLY meant. That literally means he lied to his players. You want me to Venmo you some money for a dictionary so you can figure out what the word “lie” means?

 

[Kontradiction]

BB decided to bench Butler for some reason we do not know about. You agree that he must have had a reason don't you?

Your argument is trying to say the reason wasn't good enough but in the same breath you say you don't know what the reason was. You are simply speculating what it could have been.

My argument is that BB has coached the same way for the entire time he has been with the Pats which has led this team to a historic run.

BB had a reason to bench Butler whether you like it or not. But if you have enjoyed the last twenty years of Patriot football you have to accept his coaching style which includes his decision making process.

All this crap about "He sabotaged the game", "his ego blah blah" , "he tarnished his legacy" is a bunch of butthurt whiny bullsh1t.

One last thing, I'm 51 ( I don't know how old you are) and It's been a hell of a ride for all major sports teams over the last twenty years or so. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I don't know if TB and BB will go out on top or crash but whatever happens I will always appreciate the twenty years of being the best team in the league year after year after year.

So Chasa, I say all that respectfully as if we're chatting in a bar and having a few beers. I think you're a good poster and on occasion funny as hell but this stuff seems like BB is being judged in a vacuum when I think we should take the big picture view.

The only reasons I can see for benching Butler for the entire game and therefore making the entire defense a weakness (since the secondary was the strength) also involve not dressing him at all and possibly booting him off the team. Being sick is not a good reason for benching him the entire game after getting a whole half to digest that your defense was getting picked apart. Missing a flight is not a good reason for benching him the entire game after getting a whole half to digest that your defense was getting picked apart. Getting into a verbal altercation with the coaching staff (especially when Brady has done the same in the past... ON CAMERA) is not a good reason for benching him the entire game after getting a whole half to digest that your defense was getting picked apart. Missing curfew is not a good reason for benching him the entire game after getting a whole half to digest that your defense was getting picked apart. Being drunk and/or smoking a little weed in Minnesota is not a good reason for benching him the entire game after getting a whole half to digest that your defense was getting picked apart.

This is all ESPECIALLY considering the fact that you’re letting the guy go in the offseason. You bench him for a quarter. Maybe a half even. Then you do what you set out to in the NFL. Your ultimate goal as a head coach: win the Super Bowl. You simply cannot do that without fielding your BEST players available, and unless you want to make the argument that Rowe or Bademosi were better than Butler (which I’ll dismantle with ease), Belichick didn’t do that.