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As far as me adding Slater to the final 6, he will always be included there, and pretty much always make the team.

That makes 5 other TRUE WRs making the team, which doesn’t always happen. Sometimes B.B. has only 4 WR’s and Slater. I think this year he does 5 WRs plus Slater, just a hunch due to injury history.
 
Serious question to those enjoying this thread, because I think it serves as an interesting pivot point in terms of WR roster evaluation:

Given Mitchell's injury history, why does he make sense if the team can't be certain that his knee is 100% good to go and with no likelihood of an issue coming up for (seemingly) the millionth time?
 
Serious question to those enjoying this thread, because I think it serves as an interesting pivot point in terms of WR roster evaluation:

Given Mitchell's injury history, why does he make sense if the team can't be certain that his knee is 100% good to go and with no likelihood of an issue coming up for (seemingly) the millionth time?

I definitely think his extensive injury history factors into his reliability moving forward. You bring up a good question (even though I'm rooting for him to succeed). Working in his favor, however, is that Mitchell's latest knee injury was a direct hit to his knee and not lingering issues with recovery. That seems to make a difference, as long as it's healed properly. He's had royally bad luck, but we can speculate his play and availability may not suffer long term from this most recent injury.
 
I'm just gonna say it -- Mitchell's on the bubble. Not through any fault of his own, but you can't give a roster spot to Mitchell if you're really giving a roster spot to the guy who will replace Mitchell in week 2 after the cutdowns when you have nobody left ti fill the empty space but practice squad wideouts and a collection of castoffs and leftover free agents

If he continues to have health issues, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if room was made for a player who can actually stay on the field. It's the risk we took when BB drafted the guy, and he helped us to a Superbowl, but if his durability concerns are going to play out valid, BB's not going to spend a lot of time living in denial.

I'll go a little further. The odds are substantially higher that Phillip dorsett breaks camp with the blue and silver than Mitchell. Mitchell's going to go into training camp with a monkey on his back, especially because his knee issues are on the verge of becoming officially chronic. He's going to have to go above and beyond to show that he's healthy and ready to go, if he doesn't. and BB can find 5 other WRs he likes, don't be surprised if he's traded or cut.
 
I'm just gonna say it -- Mitchell's on the bubble. Not through any fault of his own, but you can't give a roster spot to Mitchell if you're really giving a roster spot to the guy who will replace Mitchell in week 2 after the cutdowns when you have nobody left ti fill the empty space but practice squad wideouts and a collection of castoffs and leftover free agents

If he continues to have health issues, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if room was made for a player who can actually stay on the field. It's the risk we took when BB drafted the guy, and he helped us to a Superbowl, but if his durability concerns are going to play out valid, BB's not going to spend a lot of time living in denial.

I'll go a little further. The odds are substantially higher that Phillip dorsett breaks camp with the blue and silver than Mitchell. Mitchell's going to go into training camp with a monkey on his back, especially because his knee issues are on the verge of becoming officially chronic. He's going to have to go above and beyond to show that he's healthy and ready to go, if he doesn't. and BB can find 5 other WRs he likes, don't be surprised if he's traded or cut.

Depends on how that knee holds up. It's a train wreck with a massive history behind it. But I think that if the knee holds up through TC and preseason, he has himself a roster spot.
 
Serious question to those enjoying this thread, because I think it serves as an interesting pivot point in terms of WR roster evaluation:

Given Mitchell's injury history, why does he make sense if the team can't be certain that his knee is 100% good to go and with no likelihood of an issue coming up for (seemingly) the millionth time?
I think he would make a good PUP candidate. They can always take him off active if it looks like things are not progressing with other guys. Or they can reserve PUP him if others are performing and they have 6 weeks to let it shake out.

Odds are something is happening in 10 games before that time comes.
 
Depends on how that knee holds up. It's a train wreck with a massive history behind it. But I think that if the knee holds up through TC and preseason, he has himself a roster spot.
Too big an if. The NFL is a competitive marketplace of talent. I know Mitchell's good when healthy, but we're competing for a title every year. We're going to experience enough attrition without inviting it.

Mitchell's a smart kid with good character and he was a great receiver when healthy. If anyone can make it back it'll be a man like that. But pencilling Mitchell in as a lock is absurd right now.

BTW -- do not be surprised if Dorsett successfully transforms himself into a special teamer this year. I think he's got all the talent and attributes he needs to succeed on special teams, and personally feel like the only reason it wasn't tried last year is because he was brought in after the special teams assignments were more or less settled.
 
I'd say the only two locks are Edleman and Hogan. Right now, if Mitchell is healthy, i think he's going to make it, but that's a "big" if. I'd lean toward Matthews, Patterson and Berrios.

Let's be honest, Britt really showed nothing last year and Dorsett didn't do anything to stand out either.

I'm not including Slater in this group either as he's a lock, but don't consider him a wr. Either way, this should be a competitive training camp...hoping Berrios shows us something this spring!!!
 
Too big an if. The NFL is a competitive marketplace of talent. I know Mitchell's good when healthy, but we're competing for a title every year. We're going to experience enough attrition without inviting it.

Mitchell's a smart kid with good character and he was a great receiver when healthy. If anyone can make it back it'll be a man like that. But pencilling Mitchell in as a lock is absurd right now.

I don't think many consider Mitchell to be a lock.

BTW -- do not be surprised if Dorsett successfully transforms himself into a special teamer this year. I think he's got all the talent and attributes he needs to succeed on special teams, and personally feel like the only reason it wasn't tried last year is because he was brought in after the special teams assignments were more or less settled.

I'd be very surprised since, even going back to his days at St. Thomas Aquinas, he's not had experience in any of the ST units.
 
If we could figure this out, we could simply skip Training Camp.
As always an injury will hobble one of the likeliest contendahs and somebody sneaks onto the 53 who will be a binkie of mine, getting me excited and then go on to contribute little if anything to the quest. Rinse & repeat each season.

Yep. There will be an injury or two (or more) that will whittle down the competition. Someone will have a bad camp. Someone else will have a great camp. Nobody has a clue who will fit in each of these categories. I assume Hogan and Edelman are, if healthy, the moral locks. After that....it really is too tough to call. Not a bad problem to have, of course.
 
All of these fine gentlemen have displayed different levels of quickness in the past.
At this point in time, each of them must remain healthy and learn the play book.
 
For me, Patterson is the 3rd most likely WR to make the 53 (I don't count Slater).

We need a kick returner. He's the best. He also is capable of a couple of catches a game (as he has int he past), all that we need from our #3 wide receiver.

AND, Patterson doesn't even need to perform as the #3 WR. Another WR will be active, and yet another possibly inactive.

I would be very comfortable with Edelman, Hogan and Patterson, PLUS whoever else makes themselves indispensable.

The others will compete for who will fills the other 2-3 roster spots plus 1-2 on the Practice Squad. And I think this competition is wide open, with health playing a major part in the decision-making: Matthews, Mitchell, Dorsett, Britt, Berrios, McCarran, Hollister. My best guess for the next most likely is Matthews.
 
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I don't see us cutting Matthews before the season starts. Even if he's the 5th, inactive WR, he would still have the potential of becoming a major contributor before the season ended. IMHO, we have the luxury of being able to start with Edelman, Hogan, Patterson and one of the others (Mitchell, Dorsett, or Britt).

I agree on Matthews, was gonna put him on my list of locks. But coming off an injury, and learning a new (tough to learn) offense, I didn’t make him a lock, but you notice I do have him being a winner of the battle at WR. Before last year, he was averaging 75 catches and 800+ yards his previous 3 seasons in Philly. He can also play the slot. IF he can learn the system and gain Brady’s trust, he might repeat his numbers from Philly. ALWAYS liked Jordan Matthews, way back to his college days.

Now playing Devil’s Advocate, IF Matthews doesn’t make it, he’s an easy cut with a 1 year contract at minimal money.
 
Pretty much guaranteed:
-Edelman
-Hogan
-Matthews

Most likely:
-Slater
-Patterson
-Britt

In danger:
-Mitchell
-Dorsett
-Berrios

I think only one of the last 3 make it if any. However I view both Slater and Patterson as ST guys more than anything so I can see a lineup of Edelman, Hogan, Matthews, Britt, Mitchell as the primary WR's. With Slater and Patterson being mostly depth at the position and being involved in some gadget plays.
 
Releasing my 1st "53" tomorrow. Patterson is making the team imo. Bill traded for him. He's head & shoulders above any other returner in the league by almost 1,800 yards since coming into the league & in any other important stat. Bill has wants production from that spot.
 
Nice idea to pass the time in May, but this thread is at least 3+ months too early.

As of now, I’d have Edelman and Hogan as locks, with Matthews/Mitchell coming next. Guys like Dorsett and Britt have shown nothing.
 
Way too early to discuss anything reasonably.

But if we are in the realm of fantasy then I'd say that Hogan might have the inside track but is not necessarily a lock.
 
Dorsett had no OTA's or Camp with the Pats in which to learn the offense. And yet, from the BYE through two playoff games, he caught 10 of 13 targets (77% catch rate) for 159 yards (15.9 YPC), which includes 2 of 3 tgts for 50 yards in the playoffs. Dorsett also averaged 55% of the offensive snaps in the second half of the regular season, and played 66% of the snaps in the Superbowl, presumably, at least in part, because he'd become such an excellent downfield blocker.

I'm not saying that Dorsett is anything like Jabar Gaffney v2.0, but claiming the opposite extreme - that "he showed nothing" - just seems unrealistic, given the circumstances of the season and the passing targets who were already ahead of him on the depth chart (Gronk and three exceptional pass-catching RBs, in addition to three WRs).

Britt didn't even join the team until week 14. So, no OTAs, no Camp, and only three weeks of the regular season in which to pick up the offense. "He showed nothing", and yet the Pats picked up his option for 2018.

It seems as if folks are willfully forgetting the fact that the Pats history over the past 18 season is littered with the corpses of WRs who did have the training benefit of OTAs and Camp, but are now disdainful of Dorsett and Britt because neither of them instantly became notable contributors.

I just don't get this.
 
Dorsett had no OTA's or Camp with the Pats in which to learn the offense. And yet, from the BYE through two playoff games, he caught 10 of 13 targets (77% catch rate) for 159 yards (15.9 YPC), which includes 2 of 3 tgts for 50 yards in the playoffs. Dorsett also averaged 55% of the offensive snaps in the second half of the regular season, and played 66% of the snaps in the Superbowl, presumably, at least in part, because he'd become such an excellent downfield blocker.

I'm not saying that Dorsett is anything like Jabar Gaffney v2.0, but claiming the opposite extreme - that "he showed nothing" - just seems unrealistic, given the circumstances of the season and the passing targets who were already ahead of him on the depth chart (Gronk and three exceptional pass-catching RBs, in addition to three WRs).

Britt didn't even join the team until week 14. So, no OTAs, no Camp, and only three weeks of the regular season in which to pick up the offense. "He showed nothing", and yet the Pats picked up his option for 2018.

It seems as if folks are willfully forgetting the fact that the Pats history over the past 18 season is littered with the corpses of WRs who did have the training benefit of OTAs and Camp, but are now disdainful of Dorsett and Britt because neither of them instantly became notable contributors.

I just don't get this.
So, we should praise Dorsett for getting targeted approx. once per game after the bye week during a time when Edelman, Hogan, and Mitchell (top 3 wide receivers heading into the summer) were all sidelined with injuries? That sounds like quite the stretch. It’s the Michael Floyd argument all over again. There were no other real options at the position, so the player saw more snaps and yet even then, hardly saw many targets.

If we’re being honest, Dorsett has been quite underwhelming throughout most of his career, and certainly didn’t do much while he was here in 2017. That’s pretty much a fact, or so I thought. One would think they’d have utilized his speed on screens, shallow crossers, Jet sweeps, etc a lot more. He was most likely out there due to designed schemes and positional personnel, especially since he was basically a decoy. Much like the legend of Michael Floyd, good for him for doing his job and throwing some blocks downfield like all of the other New England WRs not named Brandin Cooks. I’m not sure that changes the idea that he really didn’t do too much in a full season of playing WR, though.

If he and Britt rise to the top of a crowded WR grouping that basically has 3/5 spots filled (one of Mitchell or Matthews), then all the better. In the meantime, most of the expectations are likely to be lower with both of them. I’m hoping that you’re right and that Dorsett will master more of the playbook with a full offseason, but having Edelman, Hogan, and either Mitchell/Matthews all healthy and ahead of him on the depth chart is going to mean that he has his work cut out for him, and barring injury, he’ll have the usual 20-25 catch production that we see from a WR4. And in this scenario, one of Mitchell/Matthews doesn’t make the team, which is no sure thing since Mitchell has more knowledge of our system and Matthews has actually produced in the NFL, has excellent size at 6’3”, and can play both inside/outside.

Belichick went out and traded for Cordarrelle Patterson for a reason, and he actually plays an important role on special teams. Britt may be cheap camp competition to help the CBs learn against bigger/physical guys, and he may be something of injury insurance which is obviously important, but where do you see a washed up Britt fitting in the depth chart, here? I’m not sure why it would be a controversial statement to suggest that Britt and Dorsett are probably on the outside looking in, but injuries often seem to solve these battles, which is why it’s much too early to even have some of these discussions. In the meantime, we seem to view the battles a bit differently on this one, so perhaps you’re right and one or both make the squad.
 
Releasing my 1st "53" tomorrow. Patterson is making the team imo. Bill traded for him. He's head & shoulders above any other returner in the league by almost 1,800 yards since coming into the league & in any other important stat. Bill has wants production from that spot.
Pretty much guaranteed:
-Edelman
-Hogan
-Matthews

Most likely:
-Slater
-Patterson
-Britt

In danger:
-Mitchell
-Dorsett
-Berrios

I think only one of the last 3 make it if any. However I view both Slater and Patterson as ST guys more than anything so I can see a lineup of Edelman, Hogan, Matthews, Britt, Mitchell as the primary WR's. With Slater and Patterson being mostly depth at the position and being involved in some gadget plays.
It’s even possible that Patterson gets the STOP designation like Slater, thus opening up another spot on the WR chart. If that’s the case, we could see a guy like Dorsett or Britt (or even both) sneak onto the roster.

Then again, it may be just as likely that they keep 4 “real” receivers, which is sometimes the case, particularly with a guy like Patterson as a ST only player who has potential to play more WR snaps, and a guy like Berrios/McCarron as a practice squader. This would likely be the way to go and would ring true even more if Matthews makes it, because he’s got RZ potential with his size and offers good versatility in where he can line up and produce in case of injury to another player. Of course, this scenario is basically just keeping 5 WRs with the idea that Patterson won’t be contributing much on offense, and that Matthews’ versatility earns him a spot.
 
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