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Considering we hung in there throughout, I'd say a little better play from those two and Malcolm on the field could have made a major impact. Enough to win? Perhaps not. But enough not to look like hot garbage.

We've won meaningful games with Troy Brown and Julian Edelman playing corner. Football is won in the trenches.

IMO our corners were not that bad as much as Foles had all day to throw and they ran it down our throats. Danny Shelton was the first off season move made for a reason.
 
4597 responses later and the speculation on why Butler was benched has not subsided, partially driven by the mediots on the radio who hope for the demise of the Pats over this or any issue.. affectionately referred to as , "The Borges Syndrome".

Heard something on the radio last week by some caller who "knew a guy" about how Butler was confronted by Steve Belichick and Butler allegedly pushed him and had to be held back. Because Butler pushed Steve B., BB had to respond more forcefully because it was his son. If I had the patience would have called them on this stupidity, but why bother as anyone with a scintilla of knowledge about how BB runs the ship if he was disciplined for pushing a coach, it would make no difference if it was Steve B. or an intern trainer.. always go back to BB's comments on Lawrence Taylor when they set a different standard for different players on the Giants and how that grew to a controversy between Parcells and BB...

Tired of the f...ing stupidity over this whole issue the Butler BS has been beaten to death.. we lost that Superbowl, and instead of focusing on alleged bad decisions by BB and staff, maybe need to look at other things.. such as missed calls by the refs and bad plays by the 22 players on the field.
 
If I assumed this to be 100% true (while obviously dumb on Butler's part) Belichick didn't have to tie it into the Super Bowl.

Regardless, the story keeps expanding every time I come back to this thread. It's impossible to keep up. Various claims aren't adding up either.
The BB Jr / Malcolm beef came out right after the SB. All SBB and the caller did was bring it up again.
 
As is usually the case, let's cut through the mostly useless word salad and get back to the topic at hand.

I’m educated enough to know the difference between “that guy has no reason to lie” and “I accept everything he says as biblical truth”. Clearly you are not.
You disagreed with:
He told a story.
I asked if he felt his source was reliable
He said yes
I said he has no reason to lie

So you have launched into an insult spewing, loss of personal control attack over me saying he teusts his source and I think he is being honest when he says that.

Not sure where the jump to your trip off the reservation cane from.

Again, this isn't that difficult. You're trying to be willfully obtuse here instead of just admitting the obvious. The thought process is simple:

"I see no reason for you to lie" = just simply accepting what he's saying as the truth. There is no difference. If you truly weren't accepting what he was saying as the truth, you'd be taking the same stance as I am. The "I hope you're right, but we need further clarification stance".

Didn’t go over my head, I said he has no reason to lie, and your panties got bunched.
Never said his story proved anything just that he trusts his source and there is no reason for him to lie. See critical thinking involves thinking and thinking involves paying attention to what you are reading. Better luck next time.

This coming from the guy that constructed the straw man that I was calling SBB a liar. This is comedy gold.

No they don’t. And it’s not belichicks responsibility to air dirty laundry in fact if he did people would be up in arms that no free agent will ever come here.

It's not airing dirty laundry at all. Vrabel and Belichick are close. One would think that Vrabel and the Titans at least asked why Butler was benched. If what SBB said was true, that would give any team pause prior to offering the guy a $60M contract. That doesn't mean they still wouldn't have done it, but that's a hell of an investment for a guy that decided to get drunk and high and toss verbal barbs at the head coach's son in the lead-up to the biggest game of the year.

No THINKING is the basis of critical thinking. Taking a nugget out of a complex issue and asking if the person has faith in their source and concluding they have no reason to lie, is a step along the process of critical thinking.
Apparently you think knowing no facts and dismissing any out if hsnd without considering the factors of their validity is critical thinking which is what leads to you being you.

No, what leads to me being me is recognizing that I don't know SBB from a hole in the wall and wanting to seek further clarification on what he said from multiple sources instead of taking his word at face value because I like the sound of what he's saying. The former is thinking critically. The latter is what you did and now you're trying to squirm your way out of it while getting absolutely hammered in the process.

Typos when posting from a phone is not a sign of education.

Not just the typos, but your general butchering of the English language as well. I post from a phone most of the time and my posts don't read like a 4 year old with autism.

Confirmation bias lol. I am the guy in this board who least accepts the common misconceptions.

When said reports are beneficial to the team, sure. This thread is a great example of that.

Your entire posting. I said I see no reason for him to lie and you turned into Richard Simmons at an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, this doesn't work. I need a quote and a link from this thread where I called him a liar. Hell, it shouldn't be that hard. You only need to go back two or three pages where he dropped that nugget. Otherwise, should we just assume that you have nothing on that front and that insinuation was nothing more than your usual straw-manning?

My argument is based upon what I said that you went all 11 year old girl on.
The pint remains this discussion had always been about my comment that when he says he trusts his source I see no reason why he would lie.
You have gone in every direction except explaining why you think he would.

Horrific reading comprehension once again. Let me spell it out for you, since you're a bit slow on the uptake again today:

Not knowing SBB and wanting further clarification or proof on what he's saying from other sources =/= me thinking that he's lying. Honestly, Andy, when you need to begin to construct logical fallacies in order to have an argument, you might want to do some soul searching.

You embarrassed yourself. I’m just cleaning up the mess.

Not really. I laughed at your lack of logic and use of confirmation bias and you got butthurt. Then you made a mess as a result. It's a typical AndyJohnson pissing contest thread-killer.

Of course. Media had agendas. Haven’t you noticed that? I introduce you to John tomase and Chris Mortensen.
What reason would this poster have to lie?

Of course they do. People have agendas in general. News at 11. That still doesn't explain why you would think that the general media member (this includes the good ones that have reported negative things about the team in the past) would have a reason to lie while citing unnamed sources when they have to put their name and face behind the report while accepting a faceless name's word on a message board as absolute truth while "not seeing that he has a reason to lie". It's a complete and utter failure in logic.

It’s what you do.

So you have nothing on that front either, then. Got it. I figured that would be the case since the sentence read as if you had a grand mal seizure as you were typing it.

That’s a load of crap. Personal attacks are your calling card.

After I've been attacked? Sure. Especially after a *****y, passive-aggressive one that you started this convo with. You crying about it now is high comedy, though.



And with that im done. There is no point in taking this any further, what happened is obvious.

Lmfao. Sure you are. But yeah, what happened is obvious. You exercised some hardcore confirmation bias, I thought it was funny, and you got butthurt and decided to write a doctoral thesis about it with mostly useless logical fallacies, passive-aggressive ad hominem, and word salad. Just another day at the office, I suppose.
 
As is usually the case, let's cut through the mostly useless word salad and get back to the topic at hand.



Again, this isn't that difficult. You're trying to be willfully obtuse here instead of just admitting the obvious. The thought process is simple:

"I see no reason for you to lie" = just simply accepting what he's saying as the truth. There is no difference. If you truly weren't accepting what he was saying as the truth, you'd be taking the same stance as I am. The "I hope you're right, but we need further clarification stance".
100% wrong.
I asked him if he trusted his source, he explained, I said he has no reason to lie.

But here we go with your games.
You are trying to tell me I meant something different than what I said I meant.
There is one solitary fact here. I know what I meant and you didn’t.
Arguing that you know I mean sometimes different than I really do is why I see no point in discussing anything with you.

As far as the rest of your post it is self serving drivel. I have no interest in listening to a douchebag act like a douchebag or respond to it. It’s not why I come here so I will just put you on ignore and you can go act like a tough guy insulting someone else, who will likely also be much more intelligent than you, so you can write long blathering posts trying to make yourself look smart. I’m done with your crap.
 
100% wrong.
I asked him if he trusted his source, he explained, I said he has no reason to lie.

But here we go with your games.
You are trying to tell me I meant something different than what I said I meant.
There is one solitary fact here. I know what I meant and you didn’t.
Arguing that you know I mean sometimes different than I really do is why I see no point in discussing anything with you.

As far as the rest of your post it is self serving drivel. I have no interest in listening to a douchebag act like a douchebag or respond to it. It’s not why I come here so I will just put you on ignore and you can go act like a tough guy insulting someone else, who will likely also be much more intelligent than you, so you can write long blathering posts trying to make yourself look smart. I’m done with your crap.
Thought you were “done”? Big loss. I’m not sure how I’ll be able to sleep tonight, actually. Football is lyfe.
 
Thought you were “done”? Big loss. I’m not sure how I’ll be able to sleep tonight, actually. Football is lyfe.
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That's a badge of honor. I'm still going to quote you in threads on posts that I don't like and you'll look real weak and wimpy when you don't respond to me and I'll look like probably the toughest of the tough guys on the forum. That's what I do. That's my business.



Au revoir, Andy. May you enjoy a forum where nobody calls you out.
 
We couldn't disagree more. Because it's the super bowl makes it that much more important not to do stupid stuff and that much more important for discipline if needed.
Yeah and how did that work out
 
This rumor raises two questions: why was Stephen B. the one who supposedly confronted Butler? He was not his HC, DC or even his position coach as Josh Boyer was the CB coach and Stephen B. coached the Safeties.

And when did Butler supposedly miss practice being drunk and high? The Pats traveled to Minneapolis on Monday without Butler. There was no practice on Tuesday just media commitments of which Butler did participate. On Wednesday, Butler was listed as a “limited participant “ and was present according to the pool reporter. Thursday and Friday he was listed as a “full participant. Saturday was a walk-through, photo session, and family time for the players and coaches.

No offense to anyone, but I don’t believe this rumor.
 
This rumor raises two questions: why was Stephen B. the one who supposedly confronted Butler? He was not his HC, DC or even his position coach as Josh Boyer was the CB coach and Stephen B. coached the Safeties.

And when did Butler supposedly miss practice being drunk and high? The Pats traveled to Minneapolis on Monday without Butler. There was no practice on Tuesday just media commitments of which Butler did participate. On Wednesday, Butler was listed as a “limited participant “ and was present according to the pool reporter. Thursday and Friday he was listed as a “full participant. Saturday was a walk-through, photo session, and family time for the players and coaches.

No offense to anyone, but I don’t believe this rumor.

1. I never said he missed practice drunk and high. He missed because he was sick or faking sick. When they checked on him instead of being in bed he was drunk and high. I assume this was later in the day and not immediately after practice. This would have been the week they were still in Foxboro.

2. I don't know why it was Steve and not Josh. I assume their jobs have a lot of overlap.
 
Yeah and how did that work out
That outcome doesn't entirely lie with Butler. But I can assure you that the outcome of the five wins would have been different if Bill just let everyone party instead of game prep.
 
I believe this as well. I heard something like two days after the game. What I heard is pretty close to identical to what your saying.

I’ve believed it since then because the whole mathematical situation unravels without some major thing.
 
So then Steve Belichick is the reason the Pats didn't play a healthy Butler and thus lost the Super Bowl for the Patriots?
 
The story was they went to check on him after he missed practice suooosedly sick and he was wasted. If that were the case no way I play him if I’m the coach.

You've been peddling this garbage without evidence since the first hour after the loss. Stop it.
If this happened it would have been Wed that he was physically at practice (confirmed he was physically there) but watching on sidelines. If true then WHY did they let him fully practice all day Thursday and Friday with the starting unit before the Super Bowl??? Your crazy logic makes no sense.
 
You've been peddling this garbage without evidence since the first hour after the loss. Stop it.
If this happened it would have been Wed that he was physically at practice (confirmed he was physically there) but watching on sidelines. If true then WHY did they let him fully practice all day Thursday and Friday with the starting unit before the Super Bowl??? Your crazy logic makes no sense.

I think if this scenario played out it would have happened on Sunday am.
 
You've been peddling this garbage without evidence since the first hour after the loss. Stop it.
This is the first time I says this because it’s the first time signvabybrady posted it as I do from his source.
In the post you quoted I was clarifying what Sbb’s story was.
No need to get yourself all worked up.


If this happened it would have been Wed that he was physically at practice (confirmed he was physically there) but watching on sidelines.
As the story I am referring to, sbbs source, it happened before they left for Minnesota so no nit Wednesday.


If true then WHY did they let him fully practice all day Thursday and Friday with the starting unit before the Super Bowl??? Your crazy logic makes no sense.
I have no idea. Sbb said a source told him this and said his source was reliable and I gave no reason to think he is lying.

My personal opinion is that whatever happened had him duengraded to cb3 and his pre game meltdown (which we saw part of at the national anthem) caused B.B. to feel he was unprepared to play.

By the way there were many sources that says he didn’t practice with the starters.

You and I have no idea what really happened. But it would be insane to believe it wasn’t something that made B.B. feel he couldn’t put he guy on the field.
 
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