Cooks traded to Rams for 23 overall pick

[primetime]

Well, we would probably lose them this year too because the PI rules have changed have they not!

They have not.

 

[Big Bucks]

They have not.

good call.. think I'll go back to bed and get up in 10 minutes

 

[Nehalem]

It might be worth considering that Cooks' dropoff in production coincided with Brady's Achilles "thing" and Hogan's absence. White and Burkhead were both out for the last two games of that stretch, plus Gronk missed one of those six games and wasn't targeted at all in another (the season finale v. the Jets, IIRC).

The "achilles thing" is a fair point.

But I would think that a true #1 WR should have higher production if he is getting more opportunities, due to injuries to other players.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not sure he's a great fit in Los Angeles, either. They used Sammy Watkins as a super decoy because Goff doesn't have the arm to go vertical on a regular basis, and then they let Watkins walk and picked up Cooks for the same role. It's a lot of resources to expend for a role your quarterback can't exploit reliably. I think Cooks is probably better than Watkins, if only because the latter is always hurt, but Watkins is built and plays like a more traditional WR1.

I don't either. He'll put up some #s but I don't think Goff is the kinda QB who will get the most out of him.

Matt Bowen - who is great at Xs and Os commentary was gushing about all the crossing and drag routes Cooks will run in McCoy's offense. Cooks hardly did any of that here because either he wasn't comfortable or Tom wasn't comfortable with Cooks running them.

 

[luuked]

The "achilles thing" is a fair point.

But I would think that a true #1 WR should have higher production if he is getting more opportunities, due to injuries to other players.

The issue is that our offense doesn't really use a traditional WR1 to the point where he is worth a cap hit of 17m+.

Cooks would have been an amazing complimentary WR on a full rookie deal. But similarly to Chandler Jones he will never be used in our scheme to max out his value that makes him so highly paid. If Dorsett hits around 600 yards (+- 100 yards) in a similar role this year and we can sign him to a vintage NE WR contract then this is all we need from a speedy, deep guy. Even if Dorsett is only 70-80% of Cooks.

 

[Love The Drake]

Hea not a Patriot was a one year rental like Revis Hicks and Stallworth.
Were on to the next one.
Im on record that this is a fantastic trade.

However the fact that Cooks is a west coast guy was throwing with Goff you are naive if you dont think he was heavily tampered with which maybe a reason he couldnt come to a long term pack with tbe Pats.

Now if Bekichick lands Gordon or trades for Coleman for peanuts and fixes him Goat GM.

 

[mgteich]

We’d have to trade up to 4 to get Rosen start off with 24+31 than probably a 2nd next year.

If Rosen were to teach his full potential as an elite QB it would be sitting and learning from Brady and our staff for 2-3 years.

2018 NFL Draft Trade Value Chart

1) 24 + 31 would get us to about Pick 9. It is a long way from 9 to 4. It would take at least next year;'s first play another pick this year. That being said, this is doable. We'd still have 2 top 100 picks this year (perhaps 3 with a trade down).

2) This scenarios presumes that Rosen is available at 4. If Rosen is our man, we would need to wait to make sure he is available at 4. If we really wanted Rosen, we would need to trade with the Giants at 2, rather than Cleveland at 4.

 

[luuked]

Matt Bowen - who is great at Xs and Os commentary was gushing about all the crossing and drag routes Cooks will run in McCoy's offense. Cooks hardly did any of that here because either he wasn't comfortable or Tom wasn't comfortable with Cooks running them.

This is really the thing I am most looking forward to. Seeing how McVay uses Cooks relative to how Josh used him. When we signed Cooks I had the same reaction that Bowen has now. I was thinking he would be a light version of Antonio Brown if Josh can scheme to give him the ball in space. But then nothing ever happened.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If the pats want OBJ, the giants have no leverage since the rams are out. Not saying it’s gonna happen, but the cooks trade hurt the giants a bit.

 

[Ian]

Some numbers on Cooks, especially on third down:



Cooks was just 3-of-12 when targeted on 3rd-and-5 or less during the regular season, and Brady only targeted him twice on third down overall in the postseason (0-for-2).

 

[maineman209]

The "achilles thing" is a fair point.

But I would think that a true #1 WR should have higher production if he is getting more opportunities, due to injuries to other players.

With those injuries, there were also fewer viable pass-catchers on the field. So, increased coverage focus may also more than offset increased opportunities.

 

[tasmlab]

I'm not saying it's a bad trade, but regarding what you said in bold.... you have got to be kidding.

Dorsett can do everything Cooks can do, just with the exception of having the ball thrown to him and then catching it.

 

[Ian]

His receiving totals by distance, along with everyone else's:



He also had 5 of the team's 10 longest receptions last season:

 

[mgteich]

Chances that either the draft or FA produces a quality starting LT or #1/2 WR are slim to none. Bargain basement free agents and rookies who likely won't contribute much for a year or two (if ever) are the likely only additions coming

There's time to improve the roster. But right now they're clearly worse at very important positions.

The extra first rounder may net us a pass rusher, with the LT at 31.

 

[luuked]

Some numbers on Cooks, especially on third down:



Cooks was just 3-of-12 when targeted on 3rd-and-5 or less during the regular season, and Brady only targeted him twice on third down overall in the postseason (0-for-2).

Thanks @Ian

I think we used your stats DB in a Cooks thread shortly after the SB. The third down stats on third & <10 were just mindblowingly bad.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Some numbers on Cooks, especially on third down:



Cooks was just 3-of-12 when targeted on 3rd-and-5 or less during the regular season, and Brady only targeted him twice on third down overall in the postseason (0-for-2).

Apparently Brady didn’t have a problem trading Cooks

Tom Brady wasn't against Brandin Cooks trade

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Apparently, TFB isnt sad to see Cooks go...

 

[primetime]

The extra first rounder may net us a pass rusher, with the LT at 31.

This tackle class is so full of holes that taking a tackle at 31 would be a bad waste of a pick. I'd have Antonio Garcia above every tackle in this draft besides maybe Orlando Brown and Mike McGlinchey. You don't draft positions, you draft players. The value in this draft is at pass rusher, linebacker, corner, and running back - incidentally, all needs for the Patriots.

 

[maineman209]

Some numbers on Cooks, especially on third down:



Cooks was just 3-of-12 when targeted on 3rd-and-5 or less during the regular season, and Brady only targeted him twice on third down overall in the postseason (0-for-2).

Interpretation of that record kinda depends on knowing how far downfield Cooks was on those pass attempts. Was he running an Edelman/Amendola route just beyond the sticks? Or was he 20+ yards downfield?

His 7 catches for 157 yards = 22.4 YPC.

Since Cooks wasn't often running many short crossers/slants, nor was he often getting great YAC, that YPC might indicate that Brady was taking deep downfield shots on those particular throws - possibly more or less forced into them by shorter routes being well-covered and pressure coming at him.

 

[mgteich]

I mean no offense. However, considering Cooks 96% of Randy Moss (or even Gronk) is the worst analysis of the year.

Randy Moss is one of the 2 best WR's of all time.
Gronk is at least one of 5 best TE's of all time (would be higher with fewer injuries)

Cooks is an OK WR. He certainly wasn't in the top 5 of 2017, never mind all-time.

Wish I could give this like a hundred likes.

Cooks is awesome. Is he a generation talent like moss or gronk? No, he’s just like 96% of that