Manziel and the Patriots

[Kontradiction]

I disagree. He is toxic. I think it’s New England or Canada and coming to camp, getting cut and put in a practice squad isn’t going to change another teams mind.

To claim him off the practice squad they have to put him in their active roster which means cutting the other qb they had in camp who knows their offense.

Then why would a team that had issues in the locker room in 2017 even want to bring him to camp? Hoyer has won in this league. Roll with him and a draft pick (even if it isn’t Mayfield) if necessary.

 

[Ring 6]

Then why would a team that had issues in the locker room in 2017 even want to bring him to camp? Hoyer has won in this league. Roll with him and a draft pick (even if it isn’t Mayfield) if necessary.

First I do not buy the rumor that there were issues in the lockerroom. Secondly i do not think a practice squad player can create issues in the lockerroom. Third I’m just explaining the reason they would bring him in and it makes sense to me.

 

[Kontradiction]

First I do not buy the rumor that there were issues in the lockerroom.

LOL.

Secondly i do not think a practice squad player can create issues in the lockerroom. Third I’m just explaining the reason they would bring him in and it makes sense to me.

The "practice squad" player is in camp with the team. The "practice squad" player comingles with the team. If the "practice squad" player is toxic, as you readily just admitted, it could certainly create early issues in the locker room. Therefore, whether you believe there were issues in the locker room in 2017 or not, it should make sense that you wouldn't want to introduce said player into the locker room.

They're fine with what they have for this year. Hoyer has been a consummate teammate and has actually won in the league. They can expend draft capital on another project QB, like Jackson/Lauletta/Woodside, if they wish. But it makes zero sense for you to want to introduce a toxic player with a history into the locker room unless you're just cool with it because BB seems to be.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL.



The "practice squad" player is in camp with the team. The "practice squad" player comingles with the team. If the "practice squad" player is toxic, as you readily just admitted, it could certainly create early issues in the locker room. Therefore, whether you believe there were issues in the locker room in 2017 or not, it should make sense that you wouldn't want to introduce said player into the locker room.

They're fine with what they have for this year. Hoyer has been a consummate teammate and has actually won in the league. They can expend draft capital on another project QB, like Jackson/Lauletta/Woodside, if they wish. But it makes zero sense for you to want to introduce a toxic player with a history into the locker room unless you're just cool with it because BB seems to be.

Are we going to play this game again where you attach different meaning to my comments to try to act as if you know what i think and I don’t?
Not interested

We disagree. That is fine.

 

[IllegalContact]

I get a kick out of the 'righteous'

 

[Ring 6]

Claiming him and putting him on the active roster after a couple months only means that a team uses an end of the roster spot to take a flyer. There may be a quarterback-needy team with little hope of the playoffs at midseason who might do that.

And yes, I think that a team COULD change their mind if Manziel keeps clean through camp, preseason and half a season on the patriot Practice Squad. Also, Manziel might get some preseason action to remind folks of his skill set.

We disagree. I think teams have players on their roster for a reason and don’t cut them to “take flyers”. I cannot imagine a thought process that says I have no interest in Manziel even coming to my camp for a tryout but since he is on the patriots practice squad, now I will cut one of my players to give him a guatenteed roster spot.

 

[Kontradiction]

Are we going to play this game again where you attach different meaning to my comments to try to act as if you know what i think and I don’t?
Not interested

We disagree. That is fine.

You called him "toxic", and were correct in doing so. What different meaning could there possibly be?

 

[signbabybrady]

As I understand the consensus of posters here, smoking pot and bringing pot on a plane is fine, but having being a drunk means never playing again. Manziel may need to be in AA, but that doesn't disqualify him from playing QB in the NFL.

Bringing Manziel into camp is the kind of move Belichick would make, whether he drafts a QB in the first 100 picks or not.

First alcohol abuse is at least 100 times bigger problem than marijuana abuse.

Second if a player basically walks away from his career over not accepting he has a problem then we can talk.

Finally I see no problem with seeing if Manziel has actually admitted his problem and taken steps to never get back their. If he's convincing in being serious about it and you still think his skills are worth the risk then kicking the tires is OK by me.

 

[Ring 6]

You called him "toxic", and were correct in doing so. What different meaning could there possibly be?

He is toxic to himself. I said that in response to a team claiming him off the ps.
It’s silly to think a 4th string qb trying to resurrect his career would be toxic to a lockerroom.
How exactly would that happen?
And if it did he is cut in a heartbeat.
I get you don’t like the guy but you are off base here.

 

[Kontradiction]

He is toxic to himself. I said that in response to a team claiming him off the ps.

That's some nifty back tracking. The point still stands, if he's so toxic that another team wouldn't want him, why would you want to see him on the Patriots?

It’s silly to think a 4th string qb trying to resurrect his career would be toxic to a lockerroom.
How exactly would that happen?

The "practice squad" player is in camp with the team. The "practice squad" player comingles with the team.

And if it did he is cut in a heartbeat.
I get you don’t like the guy but you are off base here.

They shouldn't even waste their time with him. Hoyer has been the better QB of the two and Brady is still playing at GOAT level. If you want to address the QB3 position, there are some late round prospects worth looking at that come with far less baggage than Johnny Football. Nor have they proven to be "toxic".

 

[luuked]

Making poor decisions in your personal life and being football smart are 2 different things.
Manziel won the heisman as a freshman. (Referring here to your later post about his college play)
To say a freshman carrying a mediocre team to a lot of wins and winning the heisman illustrates poor football smarts because he EFFECTIVELY used his running ability to escape and overcome poor blocking and had an incredible amount of success is just wrong.
I am sure that is what he was coached to do. You can’t blame a player or call them stupid because they played as they were coached. If he comes here and is coached in our offense there is no reason to believe he won’t absorb that coaching.

While all of this is true he is still a lousy pocket passer for a offense like ours. But, whatever, that discussion is almost 4 years old at this point and has been had in his draft process so many times over.

If they bring him in and put him on the practice squad great. I couldn't care less as long as we don't waste a roster spot or give up a far superior backup QB in Hoyer for this version of Manziel. If he develops on the PS and can actually do things that are required in a year then wonderful.

 

[luuked]

Claiming him and putting him on the active roster after a couple months only means that a team uses an end of the roster spot to take a flyer. There may be a quarterback-needy team with little hope of the playoffs at midseason who might do that.

Please let the Browns do that. That would just be amazing.

 

[Ring 6]

That's some nifty back tracking. The point still stands, if he's so toxic that another team wouldn't want him, why would you want to see him on the Patriots?

As I said I’m not playing this game.
I make a comment. You misunderstand. I explain what I mean. You call it “backtracking”. Why would I backtrack my opinion. I gave my opinion I stated it you misunderstood it. I’m not interested in this kind of conversation. It goes nowhere.

They shouldn't even waste their time with him. Hoyer has been the better QB of the two and Brady is still playing at GOAT level. If you want to address the QB3 position, there are some late round prospects worth looking at that come with far less baggage than Johnny Football. Nor have they proven to be "toxic".

I have explained the value a 4th wh would have. Given the 1 is 41 years old and more likely to get injured and the 2 is a career long injury waiting to happen, I see value in not having to again wonder if Edelman has to play QB or we go into an afccg possibly having only 1 QB who can okay.
Feel free to think the 90th player in the roster can add more than that.

I think we have gone back and forth with disagreement enough times to drop this.

 

[Soliel]

He’ll never stay sober playing with Harmon around

 

[SammyBlueCat]

*IF* (a huge if) he is brought into camp he will have an incredibly short leash.

 

[Kontradiction]

As I said I’m not playing this game.
I make a comment. You misunderstand. I explain what I mean. You call it “backtracking”. Why would I backtrack my opinion. I gave my opinion I stated it you misunderstood it. I’m not interested in this kind of conversation. It goes nowhere.

Okay? So I’ll ask the question again: if he’s so toxic that other teams won’t want him, why should New England?

I have explained the value a 4th wh would have. Given the 1 is 41 years old and more likely to get injured and the 2 is a career long injury waiting to happen, I see value in not having to again wonder if Edelman has to play QB or we go into an afccg possibly having only 1 QB who can okay.
Feel free to think the 90th player in the roster can add more than that.

Borrowing the line of thought that you've applied to other QBs in the league, how many wins has Manziel as a starter translated into? Hoyer is the better of the two and is seasoned in the system. If we're talking about a third string QB, the draft pick is the superior option. You can at least mold him and you don't have to take on the "toxic", as you labeled it, baggage that Manziel comes with. That's to say nothing of the media circus he would bring with him.

I think we have gone back and forth with disagreement enough times to drop this.

Yeah but we both know that ain't happening.

 

[fnordcircle]

As I understand the consensus of posters here, smoking pot and bringing pot on a plane is fine, but having being a drunk means never playing again.

Yeah, because everyone is saying Gordon's issues are nbd since it's not drinking.

Complete misrepresentation of Harmon vs Manziel. If Harmon becomes a repeat offender everyone here will be just as quick to label him a problem child as they were with Manziel.

 

[fnordcircle]

*IF* (a huge if) he is brought into camp he will have an incredibly short leash.

Please leave racist stereotypes about size out of this.

 

[Clonamery]

Please leave racist stereotypes about size out of this.

Wait, I’m confused. A “short” leash for a “huge” if?

 

[primetime]

Yeah, because everyone is saying Gordon's issues are nbd since it's not drinking.

Complete misrepresentation of Harmon vs Manziel. If Harmon becomes a repeat offender everyone here will be just as quick to label him a problem child as they were with Manziel.

Josh Gordon's problems included alcohol abuse, from what I understand. And Manziel's problems were also more than just alcohol. But the fact he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder shouldn't be overlooked, either.