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At this point in time you gotta turn over every rock...not gonna find anything much better, if at all on the market. If they could sign him for small money, there's nothing to lose if he doesn't work out...just cut him.

There is no one out there that the team would prefer to Fleming or Waddle. We have already signed their emergency veteran backup in Tobin (perhaps warming Garcia's roster spot wile he's on PUP). We already have a youngster emergency backup in OG Croston.

We NEED to sign Fleming or Waddle.

We are likely to add a youngster, although that is NOT a given. We could go with Cannon, (Fleming or Waddle) and Tobin (with Garcia on PUP). Croston would be the emergency backup LT (as he was in 2017).
 
There is no one out there that the team would prefer to Fleming or Waddle. We have already signed their emergency veteran backup in Tobin (perhaps warming Garcia's roster spot wile he's on PUP). We already have a youngster emergency backup in OG Croston.

We NEED to sign Fleming or Waddle.

We are likely to add a youngster, although that is NOT a given. We could go with Cannon, (Fleming or Waddle) and Tobin (with Garcia on PUP). Croston would be the emergency backup LT (as he was in 2017).
I agree for the most part, but you DO NOT overpay for either Waddle, or Fleming imo. That would be a mistake.
 
The Patriots need to hire a front office person who can judge the market and
negotiate a contract starting from scratch. They have completely botched up
the offensive tackle situation to the point where they have lost Solder and are
about to lose both of his potential replacements. Fleming and Waddle are not
adequate replacements but are better than the other free agents (Tobin).

What are you talking about? Between Light and Solder on the left side, and Vollmer and Cannon on the right side they have probably had more stability at Tackle over the last fifteen years than any team in football. Solder was offered more money than any OL in football, and he isn’t even close to worth that. You are really stretching to try and crap on them for their efforts at tackle. That’s just an idiotic take.

Show us the team’s who had a higher level of play and more stability at Tackle than the Patriots have, and be sure to take into account the transitions at each spot, and not just “ Cleveland had Joe Thomas,” as any team can grab one franchise Tackle when drafting top 3 every year.

Show us where any team has done better than those two sets of tackles back to back over the last 15 years?

Light/ Solder

Vollmer/Cannon

Your turn?
 
Fleming came back and became an integral part of the team, especially in 2016 once Gronk went down.

What games were you watching ?

In 2016 Fleming started one game at RT (@CLE) and one at LT (@ARZ) and apart from that was only on the field for packages that required additional lineman or as jumbo TE (with 20% snap counts). Last year he only got starts as absolute last option after Cannon`s replacement Waddle suffered an injury that kept him out. When was he integral to anything ?
 
The Patriots need to hire a front office person who can judge the market and
negotiate a contract starting from scratch. They have completely botched up
the offensive tackle situation to the point where they have lost Solder and are
about to lose both of his potential replacements. Fleming and Waddle are not
adequate replacements but are better than the other free agents (Tobin).

I was going to take this post to task, particularly in light of the stability we have seen at tackle in the Belichick era but Ivan seems to have beaten me to it. In addition to his spot on comments I would add that throughout the Belichick era no front office has handled their cap allocation better than New England. For all the Pats might be taken to task for their cap management and contract evaluations are not among them. Year in and year out in the cap era no front office's judgement has stood the test of time like New England's.
 
Nelson is a guard, and he and McGlinchey are the two prospects who look like locks. Williams had a very mediocre season by the accounts I have read, so just a good combine is far from enough evidence to make him a great selection, which is what you want from your first. So, in short, I stand by my view that this OL class is weak at the top. Two guys is a weak top of the class, especially when you look at the premium put on OL in recent first rounds.
Connor Williams had injury stuff going on this year.

Here is the issue:
McGlinchey has been totted as beware, Right Tackle only. Much less aggressive on left side.

Kolton Miller has trouble with speed rushers and a UCLA kid like the one we Drafted last year, who might be overrated. He was inconsistent protecting Rosen.

Williams tape was better in 2016

Martinas Rankin Miss. State. might be best ready LT in first three rounds.

Here is the irony:

"Team sources are comparing Rankin to Troy's Antonio Garcia, a third-round pick of the Patriots in the 2017 NFL Draft, and think that Rankin could go in the same range. They say that Rankin is a great kid, so they think he will work hard to become a more complete player as a pro.

Rankin played well at left tackle in 2017, but he needs to get stronger for the NFL. In Week 3, he had some wins and losses against LSU's Arden Key, but Rankin was steady on the blind side all year. He is quick, athletic, and has a good build, but he has to up his strength. Rankin gets knocked on the ground too much and will get pushed around in the NFL."

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:) Given where we draft, that would mean that we would expect to draft a corner in the top 50.

Look into Holton HillCB of Texas. Maybe 4th rounder but first round talent. Kicked off Texas squad for smoking dope...more than once so yes , addicted like Randy "Marahoochi is not addictive but I've pissed away my career" Gregory.

If we can get the kid to swear off weed (Mattheiu had similar issues), you get a 6'3" CB with ball skills who can tackle and also has some return ability. You'd have something IMO
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Connor Williams had injury stuff going on this year.

Here is the issue:
McGlinchey has been totted as beware, Right Tackle only. Much less aggressive on left side.

Kolton Miller has trouble with speed rushers and a UCLA kid like the one we Drafted last year, who might be overrated. He was inconsistent protecting Rosen.

Williams tape was better in 2016

Martinas Rankin Miss. State. might be best ready LT in first three rounds.

Here is the irony:

"Team sources are comparing Rankin to Troy's Antonio Garcia, a third-round pick of the Patriots in the 2017 NFL Draft, and think that Rankin could go in the same range. They say that Rankin is a great kid, so they think he will work hard to become a more complete player as a pro.

Rankin played well at left tackle in 2017, but he needs to get stronger for the NFL. In Week 3, he had some wins and losses against LSU's Arden Key, but Rankin was steady on the blind side all year. He is quick, athletic, and has a good build, but he has to up his strength. Rankin gets knocked on the ground too much and will get pushed around in the NFL."

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I personally think you can describe any first round caliber tackle the way McGlinchey is described in your post. Outside of guys like Joe Thomas or Jonathan Ogden or Tony Boselli and so on, most tackles are going to look worse on the left side than they do on the right.

Even when you look at those guys who, in hindsight, are among the best to ever play, there were *still* doubts about them before they were drafted. Sticking with the Ravens, Ronnie Stanley - another Notre Dame product - was criticized for possibly not projecting at LT.

If there's a common thread I want to convey in my posts, it's that prognostication around draft time really shouldn't be trusted much, especially when it comes to offensive linemen.

I watched literally every snap McGlinchey has taken multiple times over the course of his career, and I can say that he has as much upside at LT as Solder had going into the draft. But, again, who the hell am I, you know?

I think that's the point we need to keep in mind: Fans are bad at evaluating talent and OL is the most difficult position to evaluate. Even pundits are particularly bad at projecting OL compared to other positions.

It's just not a position you can look at and say "Well this guy is head and shoulders above this other guy," unless, of course, you're looking at someone like Nelson, who's a once in a couple decades type of talent with an incredible degree of polish.

McGlinchey has the measurables and I'm really not willing to take the word of some anonymous scout who could have any agenda. He was graded as the top tackle in college football by both PFF and Walterfootball.com.

That's not even mentioning the almost unanimous feeling that he's the top tackle prospect in the draft. I really wish these scouts put their names t their evaluations, but until that happens, I take their assessments with giant chunks of salt. These guys have conflicting interest and they're not going to give any information that might do someone else's job for them.
 
What are you talking about? Between Light and Solder on the left side, and Vollmer and Cannon on the right side they have probably had more stability at Tackle over the last fifteen years than any team in football. Solder was offered more money than any OL in football, and he isn’t even close to worth that. You are really stretching to try and crap on them for their efforts at tackle. That’s just an idiotic take.

Show us the team’s who had a higher level of play and more stability at Tackle than the Patriots have, and be sure to take into account the transitions at each spot, and not just “ Cleveland had Joe Thomas,” as any team can grab one franchise Tackle when drafting top 3 every year.

Show us where any team has done better than those two sets of tackles back to back over the last 15 years?

Light/ Solder

Vollmer/Cannon

Your turn?
You're talking Ancient History. This current roster lists Cannon, Croston, Garcia,
Jelks, King, and Tobin as their tackles. As we speak, last year's backups, Fleming
and Waddle, are on the road seeking jobs. Which among this sorry lot do you
project to play left tackle or for that matter back up tackle?
When they re-signed Solder a couple of years ago, it bought them a little time.
They squandered this time and are now firmly behind the eight ball.
I want the pleasure of watching Tom Brady play his last few years without
seeing him lying in a heap because of a subpar left tackle.
 
Health is such a big thing though. Imagine if Jelks or Garcia can get (and stay) healthy.
 
You're talking Ancient History. This current roster lists Cannon, Croston, Garcia,
Jelks, King, and Tobin as their tackles. As we speak, last year's backups, Fleming
and Waddle, are on the road seeking jobs. Which among this sorry lot do you
project to play left tackle or for that matter back up tackle?
When they re-signed Solder a couple of years ago, it bought them a little time.
They squandered this time and are now firmly behind the eight ball.
I want the pleasure of watching Tom Brady play his last few years without
seeing him lying in a heap because of a subpar left tackle.

I agree with you, I just have a lot of confidence that they'll figure it out.
 
I personally think you can describe any first round caliber tackle the way McGlinchey is described in your post. Outside of guys like Joe Thomas or Jonathan Ogden or Tony Boselli and so on, most tackles are going to look worse on the left side than they do on the right.

Even when you look at those guys who, in hindsight, are among the best to ever play, there were *still* doubts about them before they were drafted. Sticking with the Ravens, Ronnie Stanley - another Notre Dame product - was criticized for possibly not projecting at LT.

If there's a common thread I want to convey in my posts, it's that prognostication around draft time really shouldn't be trusted much, especially when it comes to offensive linemen.

I watched literally every snap McGlinchey has taken multiple times over the course of his career, and I can say that he has as much upside at LT as Solder had going into the draft. But, again, who the hell am I, you know?

I think that's the point we need to keep in mind: Fans are bad at evaluating talent and OL is the most difficult position to evaluate. Even pundits are particularly bad at projecting OL compared to other positions.

It's just not a position you can look at and say "Well this guy is head and shoulders above this other guy," unless, of course, you're looking at someone like Nelson, who's a once in a couple decades type of talent with an incredible degree of polish.

McGlinchey has the measurables and I'm really not willing to take the word of some anonymous scout who could have any agenda. He was graded as the top tackle in college football by both PFF and Walterfootball.com.

That's not even mentioning the almost unanimous feeling that he's the top tackle prospect in the draft. I really wish these scouts put their names t their evaluations, but until that happens, I take their assessments with giant chunks of salt. These guys have conflicting interest and they're not going to give any information that might do someone else's job for them.
NFLDraftScout lists McGlinchey as one of the top offensive tackles.

Position Rankings | NFL Draft Scout

Select Year: 2018
Select Position: OT
 
NFLDraftScout lists McGlinchey as one of the top offensive tackles.

Position Rankings | NFL Draft Scout

Select Year: 2018
Select Position: OT

And I think that's really all you can go on with OL. I don't really subscribe to the idea that you can tell whether or not a guy at that level can succeed at LT just going by the information available before the draft.
 
I agree for the most part, but you DO NOT overpay for either Waddle, or Fleming imo. That would be a mistake.
Well what is considered overpaying If they happened to be the last option?
Certainly the max you would pay them now would be more than if solder has stayed.
I would rather have the ignominy of overpaying than the reality of the worst LT NFL.
I’m not sure how “not overlaying” has become a fan manifestation of macho.
 
There is no one out there that the team would prefer to Fleming or Waddle. We have already signed their emergency veteran backup in Tobin (perhaps warming Garcia's roster spot wile he's on PUP). We already have a youngster emergency backup in OG Croston.

We NEED to sign Fleming or Waddle.

We are likely to add a youngster, although that is NOT a given. We could go with Cannon, (Fleming or Waddle) and Tobin (with Garcia on PUP). Croston would be the emergency backup LT (as he was in 2017).


Suspect on the horizon for LT other than Flemming?
Is this a possible hint for Pats?

"The Arizona Cardinals have not yet made a move on tackle Jared Veldheer, shown contract counts more than $10 million against the salary cap. He can be released and the team would save nearly $7 million in cap space.


The Cardinals have also reportedly added a new tackle in Andre Smith, suggesting the Cardinals are ready to move on from the 30-year-old tackle.


But the fact he is still on the roster suggests something, that rather than releasing him outright, they would like to work out a trade.


Veldheer is a very good player who can play both tackle spots. He struggled early in 2016 at right tackle but turned it around, and he already has a very good reputation as a left tackle.


The Buffalo Bills recently were able to parlay Cordy Glenn, another talented tackle and one of their first-round draft picks into a higher pick in the first round, moving up nine spots to No. 12.


Could the Cardinals use Veldheer and their No. 15 pick to move up in the range that would land them a quarterback?


Or perhaps could they simply pick up an extra pick for Veldheer."


There you have it. This might be the Clouseau pick-up. Obvious CAP readjustment needed to get under $4mm or so. Only 8 months older than Solder


Thoughts?

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Prove it. His tape is very good, and his range to cut off the corner is impressive in pass pro.

"Miller (6-9, 309) had a rough start to 2017, but turned in a decent season for UCLA blocking for Josh Rosen as the Bruins' left tackle. Miller has good length to him, athleticism, and the agility to stay on the edge in the NFL. However, he might be a better fit as a right tackle in the pros, as Miller can have problems with speed rushes to the inside. That caused him to have some up and down performances in college."
Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2018 NFL Mock Draft

Rosen got beat up last year.
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Suspect on the horizon for LT other than Flemming? Is this a possible hint for Pats?

"The Arizona Cardinals have not yet made a move on tackle Jared Veldheer, shown contract counts more than $10 million against the salary cap. He can be released and the team would save nearly $7 million in cap space.


The Cardinals have also reportedly added a new tackle in Andre Smith, suggesting the Cardinals are ready to move on from the 30-year-old tackle.


But the fact he is still on the roster suggests something, that rather than releasing him outright, they would like to work out a trade.


Veldheer is a very good player who can play both tackle spots. He struggled early in 2016 at right tackle but turned it around, and he already has a very good reputation as a left tackle.


The Buffalo Bills recently were able to parlay Cordy Glenn, another talented tackle and one of their first-round draft picks into a higher pick in the first round, moving up nine spots to No. 12.


Could the Cardinals use Veldheer and their No. 15 pick to move up in the range that would land them a quarterback?


Or perhaps could they simply pick up an extra pick for Veldheer."


There you have it. This might be the Clouseau pick-up. Obvious CAP readjustment needed to get under $4mm or so. Only 8 months older than Solder


Thoughts?

DW Toys

How many years and $$ remaining on his deal?
 
I personally think you can describe any first round caliber tackle the way McGlinchey is described in your post. Outside of guys like Joe Thomas or Jonathan Ogden or Tony Boselli and so on, most tackles are going to look worse on the left side than they do on the right.

Even when you look at those guys who, in hindsight, are among the best to ever play, there were *still* doubts about them before they were drafted. Sticking with the Ravens, Ronnie Stanley - another Notre Dame product - was criticized for possibly not projecting at LT.

If there's a common thread I want to convey in my posts, it's that prognostication around draft time really shouldn't be trusted much, especially when it comes to offensive linemen.

I watched literally every snap McGlinchey has taken multiple times over the course of his career, and I can say that he has as much upside at LT as Solder had going into the draft. But, again, who the hell am I, you know?

I think that's the point we need to keep in mind: Fans are bad at evaluating talent and OL is the most difficult position to evaluate. Even pundits are particularly bad at projecting OL compared to other positions.

It's just not a position you can look at and say "Well this guy is head and shoulders above this other guy," unless, of course, you're looking at someone like Nelson, who's a once in a couple decades type of talent with an incredible degree of polish.

McGlinchey has the measurables and I'm really not willing to take the word of some anonymous scout who could have any agenda. He was graded as the top tackle in college football by both PFF and Walterfootball.com.

That's not even mentioning the almost unanimous feeling that he's the top tackle prospect in the draft. I really wish these scouts put their names t their evaluations, but until that happens, I take their assessments with giant chunks of salt. These guys have conflicting interest and they're not going to give any information that might do someone else's job for them.
Fair retort.
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