Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

[RobertWeathers]

you'd have to define 'him being successful' .... because him being unsuccesful still could have yielded a superior result on Agholor

You are talking about one player. What if they went zone? What if they wanted to blitz? What if BB didn't think Malcolm would continue to get killed on double moves?

It was a combination of things.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

A Malcolm Butler who practiced well all week, knew the game plan, was mentally prepared to play and had a great attitude would have no doubt have helped the team on Sunday.

But that didn't happen.

We talking about practice? Practice? How do you know that? This had to do with some riff. Either he was dogging it or whateva. I don't know. Don't know if it was the flu but I doubt it. Agholor looked good and he had it. Butler at 70 percent or even 60 percent's better than watching Richards and Rowe struggle

 

[Observer]

don't forget misquoting the player in question as his evidence.

Every post

"misquote see he said it, also if you don't like it leave"

its a very trumpian defense.

I already called him out on that but he still keeps going. Now it’s down to a 5 year old’s “It’s my ball” line with him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

A Malcolm Butler who practiced well all week, knew the game plan, was mentally prepared to play and had a great attitude would have no doubt have helped the team on Sunday.

But that didn't happen.

Like Bademosi or Richards knew what the hell they were doing? It became plainfully obvious that the defense was getting destroyed, largely in part to their poor play.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We don't know whether or not Belichick had any problem with it, but let the record show that Lawrence Taylor is the greatest defensive player of all time. As the Tuna once said: You treat all players fairly but that doesn't mean you treat all players equally.

Bill didn't like it when LT showed up to meetings with handcuffs on because some chick tied him up the night before but he sure liked it when he would get up in front of the entire defense and repeat the game plan after being told it only once.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

You are talking about one player. What if they went zone? What if they wanted to blitz? What if BB didn't think Malcolm would continue to get killed on double moves?

It was a combination of things.

Agholor killed this team. He had a big game. I like our chances with butler and Gilmore as our corners. I would take a 60 to 70 percent butler over any of these scrubs that we played.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As the Coach, he has the privilege and responsibility of making that decision. As an observer, I have the right and privilege to disagree with it. I will stand my ground that there is no situation or condition outside of injury (that includes alleged felony, drug possession, or insubordination) that justifies me that any package, scheme, or strategy deployed by BB or MP are better WITHOUT Malcolm than with him in there.

As a fan you are certainly in you right to disagree with Bill.

 

[Ivan]

Belichick's fault was sticking with a scheme that ultimately cost the team the Super Bowl.

Yep, I thought it was a really bad coaching job by Belichick and his staff. I do think, however, that it’s going to take a number of personal moves for them to be able to address the problems they have defending RPO and mobile quarterbacks. They simply aren’t fast enough in the edges, and Lombardi was right about the schematic problems they were facing. Belichick also has to take responsibility for some of the athletic deficits on defense, and he needs to fix them.

 

[Ivan]

Here we go again. It’s perhaps better for you to find another thread to post in. Why don’t you create one and call it “Belichick’s brilliant strategy that no one in the world can understand”

I didn’t say anything about Belichick having a brilliant strategy. In fact I said they did a lousy job coaching defensively.

Can you show me those quotes?

I said he and his coaches lost faith in Butler, and I based that upon Butler saying just that.

 

[Ivan]

Here we go again. It’s perhaps better for you to find another thread to post in. Why don’t you create one and call it “Belichick’s brilliant strategy that no one in the world can understand”

I was going to start one called Blame Butler, but since the Blame Belichick thread was going so strong I figured I would keep it here.

And anyone who thinks Belichick owes them anything is a moron.

 

[VectorPrime]

You are talking about one player. What if they went zone? What if they wanted to blitz? What if BB didn't think Malcolm would continue to get killed on double moves?

It was a combination of things.

How could literally anything else have been worse than what actually happened? The defense could not get ONE STOP. Butler could ONLY have helped.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We talking about practice? Practice? How do you know that? This had to do with some riff. Either he was dogging it or whateva. I don't know. Don't know if it was the flu but I doubt it.

I think it was all that and then some

Agholor looked good and he had it. Butler at 70 percent or even 60 percent's better than watching Richards and Rowe struggle

BB did not have confidence or trust in Malcolm executing the game plan and doing his job at a competitive level required to help the team.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Yep, I thought it was a really bad coaching job by Belichick and his staff. I do think, however, that it’s going to take a number of personal moves for them to be able to address the problems they have defending RPO and mobile quarterbacks. They simply aren’t fast enough in the edges, and Lombardi was right about the schematic problems they were facing. Belichick also has to take responsibility for some of the athletic deficits on defense, and he needs to fix them.

He had a bad night and i am sure he knew the bademosi and Richards tandem where not gonna cut it. He basically took a huge risk and pay the price.

 

[Ivan]

don't forget misquoting the player in question as his evidence.

Every post

"misquote see he said it, also if you don't like it leave"

its a very trumpian defense.

No misquote at all, Butler said “ they lost faith in me” on Sunday night, and “ they gave up on
Me” on Monday.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yep, I thought it was a really bad coaching job by Belichick and his staff. I do think, however, that it’s going to take a number of personal moves for them to be able to address the problems they have defending RPO and mobile quarterbacks. They simply aren’t fast enough in the edges, and Lombardi was right about the schematic problems they were facing. Belichick also has to take responsibility for some of the athletic deficits on defense, and he needs to fix them.

I was actually an advocate of using the Big Nickel in the weeks leading up to the game. And boy was I wrong. They should have gotten out of that, moved Bademosi to outside CB opposite Gilmore if they weren't playing Butler, McCourty out of the box and back to his natural role, Chung onto Ertz, and Richards off the field altogether.

That said, the personnel changes are likely coming. They will get Rivers and Hightower back. I'm hoping LB is a high pick in the draft followed by DT and maybe DE. The front was just bereft of playmakers, particularly when Hightower went down.

 

[Ivan]

BB looked like a complete egomaniac in the end. You have former players questioning his move. He did what was right for him but not the team.

Actually the egomaniacs are people who have zero knowledge but pretend they know better. Like you.
And, as it turns out “ the egomaniacs” are many of the same people who lambasted Belichick as a “ crazy, egomaniacal, arrogant control freak.....etc etc...” and that he was “ deliberately trying to destro a Super Bowl run” for trading Jamie Collins.

You guys never learn,

 

[lancerman]

We talking about practice? Practice? How do you know that? This had to do with some riff. Either he was dogging it or whateva. I don't know. Don't know if it was the flu but I doubt it. Agholor looked good and he had it. Butler at 70 percent or even 60 percent's better than watching Richards and Rowe struggle

Because this thread has turned into this

"We can't criticize Belichick for not playing Butler because we don't know exactly what happened. Now bare with me as I hypothesize a bunch of reasons why Butler was completely in the wrong and deserves all the blame and treat these hypothetical as though they are fact."

Listen at the end of the day, the defense got torched. There was nothing to lose by putting him in for a series or two and seeing if the defense was better. And if it wasn't then it's justified.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Man we are gonna be talking about this for years, aren't we?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Like Bademosi or Richards knew what the hell they were doing?

I think they knew the defensive calls and the game plan. Clearly they had some matchup problems and did not make the plays needed to win.

It became plainfully obvious that the defense was getting destroyed, largely in part to their poor play.

There is no doubt the defense sucked. That part is not debatable.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I think it was all that and then some



BB did not have confidence or trust in Malcolm executing the game plan and doing his job at a competitive level required to help the team.

That's his opinion but i am sure butler would have done very well. Again this was a riff and not about him doing the job. I think he's saying that to cover what was going underneath all the stuff.