NFL coaching and executives carousel: news and speculation

[Huckleberry1]

Thanks Deus. Having all the non patriots stuff under one roof is great.

Agree, good thread.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It is understandable that Bob Quinn wishes to hire his own guy, but Jim Caldwell has done a solid job there. Not a great coach but certainly steady, he is the winningest Lions coach of the Super Bowl era. It will be interesting to see what Caldwell decides to do next.

Lions had a coach in the late 80s and 90s named Wayne Fontes. He had Barry Sanders in his prime. I think he is their winningest coach in the SB era.

With that said, for that franchise Caldwell has done a solid job. I think he actually has a winning record.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bruce Arians reminds me a lot of Fisher. Old School rah rah cuss cuss type of stuff. It works for a season or two but wears out quickly because there isn't any real consistent planning or structure behind it.

Most of the coaches are really good unit coaches or coordinators they just don’t have what it takes to be a really good head coach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Texans expected to keep O'Brien, sources say

They need to get rid of that GM

 

[RIpats88]

They need to get rid of that GM

you know what gets me, why would the Texans fire or consider firing Obrien to begin with? The texans looked like a pretty good team with Deshaun Watson.

When you lose your starting QB, backup QB and entire defense your team is going to struggle and lose games...

this is the main problem with the NFL. teams are too trigger happy with coaches. they need to give them time to build a culture and players that fit that culture. Imagine if the pats fired Belichick before brady because they didnt win right away?

It hurts the players too, because you have guys having to learn a different offense/scheme every single year rather than growing into the scheme the coach developed.

 

[long distance]

yep . its happening
always a bit odd to see this big in-division moves
its the top job . still not the easiest decision to leave the rising team and your own top D for a bunch of spoiled brats..

 

[farn]

I don’t get «has been a good coach ».

Winning is all that matters. As such, Caldwell should be canned. He is not going to lead any team to the SB. Only get coaches you feel can lead you to a championship. 9-7 is useless. Unless you are the Browns.

 

[fumbrunner]

Gotta wonder if having Jimmy G in the wings was a reason McDaniels stayed away from opporunities last year. With no one behind Brady, other opportunities might look a bit more appealling.

 

[FortressX]

Sources: Ravens DC Pees planning to retire

So does Pagano go back to the Ravens ?
I would think he could maintain their D.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Bruce Arians reminds me a lot of Fisher. Old School rah rah cuss cuss type of stuff. It works for a season or two but wears out quickly because there isn't any real consistent planning or structure behind it.

He throws too many players under the bus for my liking.. He trashed his kicker last year when he missed a kick... You rarely hear a decent coach do that..

Bruce Arians on his kicker who missed: "You get paid to make it."
Pete Carroll on his kicker who missed: "I love him and he's our guy."

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Lions had a coach in the late 80s and 90s named Wayne Fontes. He had Barry Sanders in his prime. I think he is their winningest coach in the SB era.

With that said, for that franchise Caldwell has done a solid job. I think he actually has a winning record.

Fontes was 67-71 while Caldwell is 18-15.
Detroit Lions | All-Time Head Coaches

 

[goheels22002]

Sources: Ravens DC Pees planning to retire

Wow. Are we really that old? I remember when Dean Pees came to New England with experience as an assistant at Navy. He was splendid taking over for Mangini as DC. Good luck to him in his retirement.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

He throws too many players under the bus for my liking.. He trashed his kicker last year when he missed a kick... You rarely hear a decent coach do that..

Bruce Arians on his kicker who missed: "You get paid to make it."
Pete Carroll on his kicker who missed: "I love him and he's our guy."

Bruce Arians always struck me as the kind of guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and wants to make sure everyone knows it.

In Pittsburgh as OC he started out well but then his act grew old, Ben tuned him out, and he was canned. Started off hot in Indy as interim HC during Pagano's illness and quickly parlayed that to Arizona's HC job. Where he also started out quickly and then seemed to have his players tune him out.

He might be a good short-term hire for a team that's close and looking to go all-in next year future be damned. Maybe Oakland?

 

[Uptown]

LOL

 

[Koma]

Bruce Arians always struck me as the kind of guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and wants to make sure everyone knows it.

In Pittsburgh as OC he started out well but then his act grew old, Ben tuned him out, and he was canned. Started off hot in Indy as interim HC during Pagano's illness and quickly parlayed that to Arizona's HC job. Where he also started out quickly and then seemed to have his players tune him out.

He might be a good short-term hire for a team that's close and looking to go all-in next year future be damned. Maybe Oakland?

I agree with everything you said about Arians, but two other things cause me to have a dim view of him:

- The story he told maybe a year ago about how, as a kid, he drank paint to make himself a tougher football player. I can see kids doing dumb stuff for dumb reasons, but Arians said he did it twice.

- His book is titled "The Quarterback Whisperer." Here are the QBs he's had as OC/HC: Tim Couch (#1 overall pick), Roethlisberger (#11 overall pick), Andrew Luck (#1 overall pick) and Carson Palmer (#1 overall pick.) Of course, there have been injuries to those guys, so he's worked with Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Batch, Drew Stanton, etc. Arians has been lucky enough to work with great QBs (at least, on paper) his whole career. He's never taken a late round or undrafted QB and developed them into a quality starter or a backup that other teams are trying to trade for.

 

[Koma]

It is understandable that Bob Quinn wishes to hire his own guy, but Jim Caldwell has done a solid job there. Not a great coach but certainly steady, he is the winningest Lions coach of the Super Bowl era. It will be interesting to see what Caldwell decides to do next.

After being fired from the Colts, I thought Caldwell would be a disaster in Detroit. He hasn't made them a division winner, but he's gotten the Lions to the playoffs twice and has been, as you said, solid. I'm not saying he's great, but a team could do a lot worse. At a minimum, Caldwell's performance in Detroit is more evidence of the tank job the 2011 Colts pulled.

 

[VegasGuy]

Jeez, this one seems like it’s been a long time coming.

Not as long as Marvin Lewis needing to go.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Meanwhile, Hue Jackson and his 1-30 Browns record (soon to be 1-31, 0-16 this season) are safe.

 

[VegasGuy]

Wow. Are we really that old? I remember when Dean Pees came to New England with experience as an assistant at Navy. He was splendid taking over for Mangini as DC. Good luck to him in his retirement.

Yes, some of us are that old

 

[VegasGuy]

Meanwhile, Hue Jackson and his 1-30 Browns record (soon to be 1-31, 0-16 this season) are safe.

Quite confusing.