Dwayne Allen

[Sciz]

Perhaps because he blows...

Blowing is all relative, and the people in charge decided that all the other options blow more, apparently. We spent a week talking about how Allen was being phased out and would only see a handful of snaps again, but that wasn’t the case.

 

[Sciz]

Because his cap hit is the 8th highest on the team

That’s what I’m saying. You’re fully allowed to say he’s disappointing compared to the draft compensation, his contract, his past production, production by past Patriots players, or anything else you can think of. That doesn’t make him a completely worthless player who should be replaced with a Browns practice squader or an undersized pure receiver. A handful of people in this thread are trying to make everybody choose between “success” and “total failure,” and neither of those is accurate right now.

 

[Adam Seward]

I wouldn't be surprised if brady never targets him again. Brady does not like Allen.

Thanks for the report Sergio Dipp.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Thanks for the report Sergio Dipp.

 

[Adam Seward]

In "Drive for Five" BB says that, besides QB, TE is the most difficult position to master, and I have to wonder if the issue is mainly one of learning.

Just to compound on your thought here.

Comments on TE duties, 2006

"(The tight ends) really do most of the formationing. In terms of being involved in the running game, the passing game, dealing with linebackers, secondary players and at times linemen, it's kind of like playing middle linebacker. You just have a lot more things to deal with, regardless of what the play is."

Press Conference Transcript, 8/8/2015

Q: There was a lot of work for Michael Hoomanawanui in yesterday’s practice. What are the things that make him valuable to your offense?

BB: Mike has been really dependable for us, been very consistent. He’s very smart. He’s able to handle a lot of different assignments, depending on who the other tight ends are, depending on what we want him to do. He’s a pretty versatile player, and he’s been durable and dependable through the years for us. He’s played a lot of football in a lot of different situations, some contributions in the kicking game. And he’s been a first, second and third down player offensively depending on what we needed and what the circumstances have been, but he’s played on all three downs and to some degree on fourth down. So, he’s got a lot of versatility and he’s a smart guy. He does make adjustments quickly and understands what’s going on, so if we need to change or adapt or make some type of adjustment, he’s good at that, and at the tight end position, which is really where a lot of learning has to take place. A lot of formationing is done by the tight end, and therefore their assignments are based on a lot of different things – defensive ends, linebackers, safeties – there’s really a lot for them to recognize at that position that fluctuates quite a bit. I’d say he does a good job of all that, too. Mentally, it’s a hard position to play because of the amount, the volume, and then also the variables that come into play.

Q: When you watch a guy like Hoomanawanui or when rookies come in, how much of it is you thinking that he can do something when he gets here as opposed to when he actually gets here and you start giving him more and more based on what you’ve seen with your own eyes?

BB: I’d say it’s pretty true of every position. I think we have a basic set of criteria – this is what the player needs to be able to do. Some guys can handle that. Some guys handle a little less than that. Some guys handle a little more than that. I don’t think you really know for sure how that’s going to go until you actually get him here and get him in it. You might have an idea, but I’d say we’ve all misjudged that one way or the other before. You just do the best you can, but as they can handle more, then you give him more. Once you kind of reach the cap, then you probably need to stop it there at least for a little while until that gets solidified, and then maybe you can build on it.

BB on TE role in formationing. Originally in SI, 2016

"The tight end position is, probably after quarterback, the hardest position to play in our offense," said Bill Belichick. "That’s the guy who does all the formationing. The running back is usually in the backfield. The receivers are receivers. But the tight ends could be in their tight end location, they could be in the backfield, they could be flexed. They could be in the wide position. To formation the defense, those are the guys you’re going to move. It’s moving the tight ends that changes the defensive deployment.”

Continued reading for understanding how important scheme alone is. In 2006 it was all scheme and no talent, yet we got much deeper than talent should have allowed.

I think his talent is there, I suspect they are giving him time to get up to where they feel he is comfortable in the system and it's requirements before beginning to lean on him for production. I don't see the need to rush it when unlike 2006, we have a litany of healthy options on offense.

 

[supafly]

We spent a week talking about how Allen was being phased out and would only see a handful of snaps again, but that wasn’t the case.

He played about 1/4 (20 snaps) of the offensive reps in an extremely run heavy game, so it’s still quite possible that we’ll see his reps in the 10-15 range on a lot of occasions.

Personally, I don’t really care what they spend at backup TE as long as they make a deep run and carry some money over into next year, but I can certainly appreciate why many are questioning his fit, particularly with a top 10 cap hit.

 

[Mack Herron]

Just to compound on your thought here.

Comments on TE duties, 2006


Press Conference Transcript, 8/8/2015


BB on TE role in formationing. Originally in SI, 2016


Continued reading for understanding how important scheme alone is. In 2006 it was all scheme and no talent, yet we got much deeper than talent should have allowed.

I think his talent is there, I suspect they are giving him time to get up to where they feel he is comfortable in the system and it's requirements before beginning to lean on him for production. I don't see the need to rush it when unlike 2006, we have a litany of healthy options on offense.

Well, he went from 6 snaps vs the Jets to 20 vs the Falcons, so that is a small step in the right direction. Perhaps he is making progress at least with the running game. Not a lot of patience in these parts but, as you say, the passing game has plenty of weapons. If he continues to progress, perhaps it will have another as the team establishes it's identity after Thanksgiving.

 

[Jackson 2]

No

Blowing is all relative, and the people in charge decided that all the other options blow more, apparently. We spent a week talking about how Allen was being phased out and would only see a handful of snaps again, but that wasn’t the case.

No, he blows. No amount of equivocation or excuse-making will change the fact that he blows. Every ex-Colt blows. All of them.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Week 8 = dwayne allen breakout game

Meaning he will break his own ankles running an out

 

[TennisBallHead]

This guy sucks

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, he went from 6 snaps vs the Jets to 20 vs the Falcons, so that is a small step in the right direction.

Depends on how much of that was about him, and not about game planning, etc....

 

[turkeyneck]

I don't recall seeing him in the game between his Q1 missed block and about midway through the 4th quarter. Is that so and were most of his reps garbage time reps?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Anyone wanna take the over/under he gets 1 catch all season?

 

[Ring 6]

Blowing is all relative.

Only in Kentucky

 

[Angelpats]

Anyone wanna take the over/under he gets 1 catch all season?

He has to catch at least one.. right? I actually think he'll end up with 15 catches. 20 snaps last game but I think most were in garbage time when we ran more.

 

[PatsFan2]

Anyone wanna take the over/under he gets 1 catch all season?

Way to go out on a limb there NG.

 

[ALP]

you know, im really dissapointed in this, and what he's brought so far

but I'd rather have this than have Gronk hurt and force him into a starter role, even if he shines at it

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I actually think he'll end up with 15 catches.

 

[Angelpats]

You should not ask a question if you are going to dislike the answers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Last year, Gronk and Bennett combined for 80 catches, 1241 yds and 10TDs

Assuming they stay healthy, Gronk and Allen are on a pace for 72 catches, 1129 yds and 10TDs. That is outstanding production for TE1 and TE2.

I really don't understand why people are knocking Allen. Hes doing great!